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  • John 1:10 pm on September 8, 2014 Permalink | Reply
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    The Use Of Police Informants During The 60s & 70s 

    A reader recently posted a comment concerning police tactics with the use of informants, or snitches. By no coincidence, I am writing a chapter for the book about the use of informants. In the Wonderland story we have two!  David Lind and John Holmes. Now, vice cops have no way into the drug dealing world, unless they bust some low-level user or dealer, maybe a delivery guy. We’ve all seen the TV shows. But in my research, I have found several cases from the 60s and 70s from the Northern California area that show airman from nearby Air Force bases dealing in, or being suspected of dealing in drugs. In 1968, this was right in Ron’s stomping ground. Drugs were everywhere.

    An informant is usually corralled by first getting caught with drugs. Rather than face some jail-time, and if approached, they will often agree to cooperate with authorities. The info they give cops may or may not be good intel. The War on Drugs is a real bitch and just because some informant tells a vice cop that there is weed at someone’s house – well that does not mean it is true.

    This quote is from a drug case in 1968, where an informant – who may have needed to score some brownie points with his detective – is caught in the middle. I wonder who these four airman were?

    The challenged affidavit was prepared by Detective Roy D. Whiteaker of the Yuba City Police Department, largely on information furnished by a police informant, James Ronald Brooks. Brooks contacted Detective Whiteaker on March 16, 1968, and told him that certain parties residing in an apartment house at 357 Ainsley Avenue were planning to transport two kilograms of marijuana from San Francisco to their apartment, at about 3 o’clock that afternoon. The informer, at Whiteaker’s direction, then went to the Ainsley Avenue apartment house to obtain more information if possible. Later, Brooks told the detective that upon his arrival at the apartment house he was invited into an apartment belonging to four airmen from Beale Air Force Base. One of the airmen was under the influence of narcotics; his eyes were glazed and dilated. After a few minutes, two airmen went to appellant’s apartment next door and returned with appellant. Appellant asked what Brooks wanted, and Brooks answered “grass.” Appellant looked at an airman named Vern and said, “I don’t want to,” and returned to his apartment alone. Brooks stated that appellant was also under the influence of narcotics, and that Vern had referred to him as an “acid freak.”

    The affidavit alleged that the Office of Special Investigation at Beale Air Force Base informed Detective Sergeant Smith that one of the suspect airmen had told a fellow serviceman that he had taken $100 from his bank account to buy part of two kilograms of marijuana. The affidavit also alleged that appellant had been convicted of a narcotics offense and that the Sutter County sheriff’s office had received confidential information that he was again using narcotics.

    The End.

     
    • criticextraordinaire 5:46 am on September 9, 2014 Permalink | Reply

      I always wondered how David Lind could get away with being an alleged snitch. I mean, the circles in which it is alleged he ran would never tolerate that sort of thing. Rat out those guys to the cops and next thing you know, you’re found in a ditch somewhere with a dollar bill stuffed in your mouth.

      But that then raises the question… did Lind really pass away in 1995, or was he spirited away to the Witness Protection Program as I have heard in some forums? ???

      • Anon4Now 8:10 pm on September 9, 2014 Permalink | Reply

        As I remember things I used to read, most followers of this tragedy knew Lind was let into witness protection after the first trial, when both he and Holmes tried to enter it. He was already in it when he died in ’95, if he really did die and if he wasn’t kicked out of the program for drug use or crime.

        The part of your post that does make sense is if he did get kicked out. If he got whisked away to another part of witness protection other than what he was already in, it’d probably be for misusing his good fortune. But it’s like you read, once in protection, no one will ever get a straight answer from law enforcement about your whereabouts or new name and SSN. Not even their wives or mothers; once they’re gone, they’re gone unless they blow it.

        And getting away with snitching of this magnitude in Sacramento may have happened, perhaps, due to these rampaging crankster-gangsters having mothers, brothers, or wives working in the state capitol or law enforcement. These crazed wild men usually had rich daddies up there, many of whom were cops or state workers. It’s easier to be a wild biker if your dad foots the bill.

        “Rat out those guys to the cops…” You mean their grandfathers? Or their father-in-laws?

        • localarts 3:38 pm on September 16, 2014 Permalink

          If Lind is alive, he would be in is 70’s. I think Lind is with butterfly, probably has been for some time.

        • criticextraordinaire 7:40 pm on September 17, 2014 Permalink

          If Lind is indeed dead, it is too bad that he did not get to be buried next to Butterfly.

        • Mark C 10:31 am on September 26, 2014 Permalink

          They said Henry Hill from Goodfellows movie fame got completely kicked out of The Witness Protection Program all together, So I guess this very well could of happen to David Lind too maybe???. It sure I guess would not been the very 1st time in history that did happened.

          What they deported Carlos Marcello one time out in middle of a Guatemala rain forest jungle miles from anybody in dress clothes & shoes one time back in 1961, He was wondering around for like 3 days out in middle of that rain forest before he could get to any other people. Govt. can be pretty mean if they want to be.

          Well I think in Henry Hill case, He was getting caught for DUI like about weekly, And going back and/or calling NYC all the time without Fed’s knowing. Dealing dope and number other crimes I think he got caught up in while he was still in the Witness Protection Program.

          What little I read I think Henry was the poster boy for the Witness Protection Program Bad Boy Program. Or what rules not to break in the program. I think he was moved at least 3 or more different times and he still kept getting into trouble all the time. He lived for a time in a little small Northern KY town not far from my own home I found out later on. Then I think he went somewhere out around the Seattle area.

          He loved his ponies and gambling.

          Year’s later I had the luck to not personally meet Henry, but I did say Hi and walked right by Henry Hill near a east coast resort town one pretty summer day, Yes he did have 2 Bodyguards with him that day. I asked 1 of the Bodyguards, He told me yes that was Henry from Goodfellows movie fame, But Henry looked pretty drunk to myself at only @ 1 pm right after lunch time and he just keep walking by like a jerk to myself. He must had a lot of lunch time drinks he looked to myself as he was down right staggering.

          But this was after his movie fame & books even a cook book and web site came out, I still can’t get over just how small and short Henry was in real life and here he was played up as this big tough mean mobster in the movie’s. Well it was only a few years before his death, But he looked only about 5-6 maybe 145 pds at that time to myself, but I was still kind of shocked at just how small & ill health looking he was, But too I am fairly big guy myself, I played WR in Football for many years.

    • localarts 4:39 pm on September 18, 2014 Permalink | Reply

      Not sure Barbara’s parents would have approved of that.

    • anon4no2 9:27 pm on September 19, 2014 Permalink | Reply

      I don’t know if urls copy to your blog, but apparently one of the airmen’s name was Vern: https://www.courtlistener.com/calctapp/c19E/people-v-hill/

      I suppose this website was where you got your post. Conversationally, I’ve found some old cases on the computer that are oddly gone now. Specific relevancy to the Wonderland case is questionable, but they do give some background to the Sacramento County crime scene that led to what really is the devastation caused to the entire state by Sacramento detective’s crime solving “expertise.” It doesn’t happen overnight: http://law.justia.com/cases/california/calapp2d/98/770.html and: http://law.justia.com/cases/california/cal2d/34/669.html

      OK, I get to do this, John. Please post this message, there is really nothing inflammatory in it. Gen. Pease was one of those real American heroes we watch Hollywood movies about, and I don’t include these old cases without reason. Beale AFB isn’t far from Sacramento, and Barbara’s people lived in Rancho Cordova, as I remember it. That’s where Mather AFB was when it had the B-52 squadron there. Everyone remembers the protest those got. Gen. Pease became a very influential Sacramento attorney (even though he apparently lost these two cases. Can’t win ‘em all).

      A decade ago you’d read on the Web that Launius was a Marine stationed in Vietnam with the 37th Marines. Posters whom I do not know would place on chat boards that he was responsible for 37 homicides; it was easy to remember the coincidence of his crimes and military unit. There was even a 37th Marines veteran website, had Vietnam-era Marine photos on it and everything. Then, over the years his military service changed to Air Force and he was transferred, if you will, from Vietnam to Thailand. The number of homicides he was credited with changed, also, no idea if they now matched the squadron number of whatever he was stationed with in Thailand. All mention of any US 37th Marines (even the unit reunion website) disappeared from the Web.

      I never knew Launius, but I do know that if he served honorably (or even nearly honorably as those were really difficult years to be in the nation’s military) his memory shouldn’t be slandered. Or, with the way Hollywood has of artfully altering history to make everything more screen-sparkly, not slandered too awful badly.

      Whatever the argument was in Sacramento with the California veterans who were drafted and sent to the Pacific both during WW II and Vietnam, and those who were in the WW II ETO and stateside, you can actually follow the timeline of the state’s legislator’s (the state capitol’s) demise. These were veterans that were worthy of their own movies, ones that’ll never be seen. The Cold War cast many of these veterans into obscurity and slow dissolution, and we read about it today in movies like Wonderland after their families were forced off their property after the war.

      Lind and Barbara were also persons who had backgrounds not entirely as depicted in Wonderland. But, so what? Hollywood needs villains just like Big Time Wrestling.

      • criticextraordinaire 6:45 pm on September 22, 2014 Permalink | Reply

        Anon4no2,

        I read on the old Lionsgate board a post from an old ‘Nam buddy of Ronnie’s. His buddy said that Ronnie wanted to go out on a mission with a SOG team and was allowed to do so. He claimed that Ronnie could see Charlie in pitch black conditions because a purple light shone from his head into the darkness and he could see the VC like it was daylight. Assuming this is true, the characterization of Ronnie as ‘fearless’ would seem to be spot on.

        I think he also mentioned that they got ambushed by some VC and that Ronnie dispatched quite a few either with a bayonet or simply a combat knife. It was a few years ago so I forget some of the details.

        • Anon4Now 8:37 pm on September 22, 2014 Permalink

          Hi, thanks for your reply. I’ve read nearly all your posts for the past decade, and I understand you to be an intelligent and mature person, and I really enjoy your concern for this whole predicament. That’s what it truly is.

          I also know that there’s a lot of showbiz in this old story. I am not a showbiz person, and I become confused at times by some person’s efforts at embellishing or distorting what happened back then. The statute of limitations has expired long ago for anything involved in this Wonderland thing excepting capital crimes. Due to the deaths of many of the involved parties, even that is not a bothersome point.

          You were probably talking about that Grunt person who posted on Lions Gate. He had some conversation with Russ, another poster. I personally don’t remember much about that other than Grunt talking about some patrol he was involved in where he had contact with NVA or VC. I do remember a few posters there really hyping up Launius’ lethalness bost during the war and after. I imagine that’s true, but what you reference was when Launius was said to be a Marine in Vietnam rather than in the Air Force in Thailand stuffing body bags full of dope.

          I do remember the story of violet beams that would project from Launius’ forehead to pinpoint VC. This next is a story I’ve never told to anyone other than an Army veteran of Granada at the VA. No real idea of how we came to talk, but anyway I was stationed with an airborne unit in Germany when the first OPEC took off at the end of ’73. The airborne unit got transferred to Italy so they’d have a short hop across the Med should the OPEC nations continue to withhold oil. I didn’t go to Italy with them, I was transferred to another station in Germany, but as the barracks was clearing out I heard a song on the radio (tuned to AFN) that I always remember as the singer’s last name was the same as my parent’s neighbors, Hagar. It was Sammy Hagar singing “I Can’t Drive 55.” Nice song, and it was when the nation was reducing all the speed limits to 55 and under to conserve gas.

          Of course, you’ll find on the computer that Hagar came out with this song in 1984, over 10 years later. Yet, I know I heard this on USAREUR’s AFN station as the airborne was leaving, it happened and it’s too bad that Launius is said to have commie finding beams of light darting from his forehead. Is that a real story, or was he in Thailand? Mine’s real.

          The Hagar family I knew is the one that introduced me to Lind and Barbara. Hollywood people can have all the fun with this they want to, and they can slander the veterans who had to serve this miserable nation in a time that they will always be despised and reviled for, but what happened was real back then.

          Grunt’s a generic name for infantry. I used to get speeding tickets.

        • criticextraordinaire 5:46 pm on September 23, 2014 Permalink

          Anon4no2,

          Are you saying that the purple light story that was at Lionsgate was BS? Possibly could be, just like the “girl in the closet” story that has pretty much been discredited. People can post pretty much anything they want in the interweb.

      • Mark C 8:31 am on September 26, 2014 Permalink | Reply

        I don’t know much about the purple light story, I read the above story and not sure but this might or maybe not explain what they talking about.

        After like 35 years of my life without knowing & 1 real good pre-job physical, I found out I was very minor Color Blind just some different shades of color, Not the traffic stop light type, I can’t see the color of the light’s type, I can see that good.

        All my life people hunting with myself never could figure out how I saw wild game so fast and good. I throw gun up and go Boom and scare them to 1/2 to death all the time, Because they never saw what I be shooting at until I go & get the Grouse Or Wild Turkey or what ever wild game we would happen to be hunting for at that given time.

        Within last few years, I saw my older cousin after way over 30 + some years ago without us seeing each other, He lived many states away. He was in Nam and we found out we both was same type of way Color Blind, He told me it was different shades of colors he saw help him pick out stuff that most others could not spot quickly.

        He told me within his 1st few days in Nam he was told to take “The Point” & told Sgt. I don’t know if you really want me up there, I am a little bit Color Blind, But Sgt. told him that great luck has hit our Platoon because that is the very person they wanted on point. After that my cousin spent his tour mainly on point & everybody trusted him, Most all the time’s his Platoon got hit. My cousin would be in rear area over small injury or some other minor mishap. But thank god he did make it back home physically in pretty good shape,

        Little research very lot of my family that was in military before from Rev. War onward has been snipers & before K-Ratios I guess in-between sniper trips they would hunt for wild game to feed the troop’s mainly before WW1 when troops really didn’t have all that easy food & ready to eat meals handy.

        One pretty famous Rev. War battle my couple great grandfather & his son’s name is on the list of being there in the battle, But in truth he a was few miles away hunting for fresh meat to feed the troops & heard the battle start but it was over by the time he & his son made it back to the battle area. That true story been told through many generations of family folk-lore.

        This just a idea what these soldiers could be talking about. Could not be.. I really don’t know. Just a idea maybe could explain what they are talking about on the Purple Light Story.

        • Anon4Now 8:47 pm on September 26, 2014 Permalink

          Just noticed your post, Mark. Those are great stories.

          I’ve read articles about people have extra cones or whatever they are in their eyes. That enhances their perceptions of color and shade. Just found the article: http://discovermagazine.com/2012/jul-aug/06-humans-with-super-human-vision

          This might only pertain to women, but who knows?

          The story of your Revolutionary ancestor was nice, too. If your unit is involved in a battle or skirmish, you’re said to be included in it as long as you weren’t AWOL or something. Reality is different, someone might have been on guard duty the night before and if it’s a short battle, it might be over before he even wakes up. My father always denied being in the Battle of the Bulge, and it wasn’t until I got a computer that I found out parts of his division was in the Bulge and Hurtgen Forest (the last one I never even heard of before). His specific unit was elsewhere, probably a few miles away.

          The Revolutionary ancestor my mom’s family used to get into DAR wasn’t even a uniformed soldier, from what I can tell. He participated in the “Braintree Riot” when some British troops rode into town. No idea what he did, but he might have just thrown rocks or something.

          That was nice, Mark.

        • Mark C 7:18 pm on September 30, 2014 Permalink

          Anon4Now
          Thanks a lot for your reply.

          That was the 1st, I guess Professor type grade report I ever read about Color Blindness, Dr. found it in me told me it was a lot of times inherited through your family gene lines.
          But this my eye site is and just a every day normal thing for myself.

          I never would known about my cousin color blindness who was right there and fought in Nam unless we wasn’t setting back one night drinking a few cold ones & I told him I didn’t think Military would put me in combat over my eye site & he told me it sure didn’t help him if anything it hurt him having to be out on point about his whole tour. Very nerve racking I would guess,
          Then he told me all about his story and about our uncle who told him after his tour in Nam was over about his own experiences in Pacific in WW2 who was a underwater demo expert that had and was same color blindness type as us.

          I guess only way we ever will know if Ronnie was maybe really Color Blind is if we ever find out if Color Blindness ran in his family kin-folk or gene line. My guess getting his Medical Records be more than a very long shot for us. Maybe John can wave his magic wand on that stunt needs to be pulled.

          To myself Color Blindness would make more common sense than a “Purple Beam” coming from Ronnie’s forehead. But who knows with Ronnie, But I just have a feeling Ronnie might been the type to play up any type in his own mind of any Superman type extra abilities he may had. Plus Ronnie I think wanted fame. Surely not how he got it, But I do think he wanted to be famous.

          Ronnie keep coked up head Holmes supplied in Coke and around for a while even though Billy did not like Holmes just so I think people would know Holmes worked for him..

          You don’t see that trait or I don’t in Billy. Billy interesting guy himself, but I feel he was little bit more on the quiet side but more reasonable level headed and not so quick for action. But if that story is true about Billy & McCourt was going pull the Nash hit themselves when everybody else was going pull out. Then I wonder?? But this case is as bad as Holmes own stories go on what really is the truth and what is a bunch of BS.

        • Anon4Now 12:04 am on October 7, 2014 Permalink

          And thanks again for your posts, Mark. You write well; it’s easy to follow your thought process. With extra cones you could have super vision of a sort. At least, that’s what it says in one of those articles.

          Like I told John, my interest in this story is Sacramento-based. After that, I don’t have much conversation. I don’t know anything about porn, never knew anyone in it, and don’t really think I’d get along well with them even if they didn’t know I used to know Lind. Sounds like some of them might be angry about things.

          But, I do have a couple memories I’d like to share if it’s OK with you, John. Like I said in my emails, this treatment that you’ve given the movie seems mature, unlike some of the old chat boards. My input isn’t inflammatory, rather it’s simply thought-provoking.

          Anyway, Barbara was near to true beauty. Under closer scrutiny, maybe she was one or two jots off, but she was very attractive and had personality. One mutual friend had a duplex, and, when Lind and Barbara were there and he had to take off for a while to do something, he’d leave Barbara there with whoever else was present at the time. Barbara, maybe when she was feeling rambunctious, would say something like “Good, David, maybe I’ll have _____ to [play with] while you’re gone.” She did that with me once, and Lind got this really weird look on his face and said “Good, maybe he can.” That was truly frightening: Barbara was someone I never actually got closer than friendship with, I always remember that look on Lind’s face, it was a real deterrent.

          I had an immediate family member die in ’80, and Barbara came over to my parent’s house with another male friend one day. They spent a night or two, and I noticed later that my mom’s tub of Albolene Cream had some massive finger scoops taken out of the middle of it. Usually my mom used it for chapped lips and a tub would last a decade or so, and I asked Barbara if she knew anything about it. She got excited and said it’s ‘way better than Vaseline cream as it warms up when friction’s applied. It seems she liked it a lot.

          This was after Lind had gotten busted, and he called collect from the Sacramento County Branch Jail in Elk Grove asking if I’d seen Barbara. That part of the jail is for misdeamenors, traffic tickets, DUIs, and light weight felonies. It’s far from prison, and it’s sort of proof that whatever it was he got busted for, he did county time rather than prison. Unless, of course, he was in the security side of it and still going to court. They do that there, too, to be fair to him, and I never asked him what side of the jail he was on. But obviously he was out in a very short time judging by Wonderland’s time frame. I lied to him, I didn’t tell him she’d been there with the other male as I figured he’d find out about it himself and I’d claim amnesia or something. I felt bad, but didn’t want to bum his time out. But he did that, he called and if they still have old phone records, it’d be there.

          Without rambling about too much, Barbara and I wandered around my parent’s back yard one day. It was a virtual park, my father grew up on a farm and had a very green thumb. No drama, just a really nice memory I have of her, kind of scenic.

          Those two people were human. Both had quirks, and, John, if and when you write your book, if you want to focus on the dehumanizing aspect of law enforcement turning out snitches, be the snitches willing or unwitting police accomplices, these are maybe two good examples. Barbara still had sweetness, and I’d say Lind was still a man at the time. Of course, his crowd’s definition of man-ness really differs from the common citizen’s and they’re far better judges of their own type than I am, but he still had his human part. You could tell by his demeanor and conversation, and Barbara could be truly sweet when she wanted to be.

          I never did anything so criminal that they’d make a profit off of snitching on me, but my family did later lose the property. But that happened to a lot of Sacramento families back then, and how that all came about really puts a different spin on the whole Wonderland story.

          Thanks very much for the responses I got here, and this is where my story ends. Nice place, John.

    • Anon4Now 8:51 pm on September 23, 2014 Permalink | Reply

      I’m going to try to respond to your post, Critic, except there’s no “reply” to click on, only “Permalink.” I hope it’s the same.

      I have no way to tell if the purple haze commie light was true or not. Odd things happen, and it could be that Launius had a built-in starlight scope which would be a handy natural tool to have. Sure to get him promotions if his squad leader knew about it. And, thinking about it from another angle, maybe he was Air Force but still wanted to go out with the grunts from time to time. If he had a friend that was a Marine, maybe he got to tag along a few times. Getting across the border from Thailand to a northern Vietnam-stationed Marine unit might have been a chore, but not impossible for someone serious about it. You read about Vietnamese successfully going the opposite way all the time.

      I remember the “girl in the closet” story appearing on the Lions Gate board at a later time than many of the other posts. That was supposed to be that Laurie girl that everyone used to get mad at, wasn’t it? Not Laurie Holmes, but the Laurie that used to try to hustle donations from NAMI or something. I remember Laurie Holmes was supposed to be upset about purported copyright infringements on the use of Holmes’ name and personal history (which I know nothing of as I never knew him or any of his friends). I remember a poster named Cap that did a lot of sp@m or something; it took me a while to notice Cap Mauzner’s name. There was also a Boogie Night, easy to remember due to the other Wonderland-type movie.

      Some of the posts I remember was about how surprised people were about Wonderland getting jerked from the theaters so fast, and when they did its remake or sequel they were going to “do it right this time.” Thinking about it, it was almost as if they were in shock or something. They shouldn’t have been, they should have realized they’d catch some strong feelings just from Holmes’ profession alone. Then, there’s all the Sacramento politics that came with it, maybe that’s what caught them unawares.

      I remember when x-rated movies started getting space on the Sacramento newspaper’s family movie pages. A little section at the bottom of the page under Disney and blaxploitation ads, Holmes, Seka, all the other names you remember from those days. The only way porn got away with that was all the press they were getting at the time about being anti-war, pro-peace, non-violence, and anti-drug; they were the squeakiest, cleanest, most wholesome people you could imagine, they just liked to hop on each other naked and in front of the camera.

      Then Lind met Holmes and all that crashed down. It seems that the porn folks got really angry about that as they lost untold billions from Holmes himself, and lost much of their credibility as being anti-violence and anti-drug. Lost much of their political platform and financial support, one fell swoop.

      As I remember your posts, Critic, you and Boogie were pro-Nash and porn. Judging Nash’s roots, you should find my OPEC story interesting. Sammy Hagar’s “I Can’t Drive 55″ got a real “Ride of the Valkyries” spin from AFN. I can’t knock the story about Launius’ black light turning VCs into glowing Jimmy Hendrix posters, as I really know what I heard. So, what we’ve just done here, John, is not only bump Cap Mauzner, but Oliver Stone, too. That was easy.

      Bump.

      • criticextraordinaire 6:55 pm on September 24, 2014 Permalink | Reply

        Well I always assumed that the “violet light from the forehead” was really rhetorical and not literal. Like Ronnie was saying (if he said anything at all) that he could really zone in on Charlie. Whatever his story in ‘Nam, the various constabularies in California certainly appear to have had a modicum of respect for his capabilities. I always kinda wondered how you go from being a kick-ass member of a SOG team to being a supply clerk in Bangkok though.

        Can’t exactly say I am pro-Eddie, but with regard to the whole Wonderland hit, I’ve gone on record that basically Ronnie and Billy (as well as David and I suppose Tracy) were basically asking for it. I mean shucks… you do what they did to Eddie and his foot dogs are not supposed to get rough? While I respect Ronnie for his chutzpah, he pretty much got what he had coming after that. And nobody pulled that kind of stunt on Eddie ever again.

        I remember Boogie Knight, he was definitely a Holmes connoisseur; I think he knew all of Johnny’s flicks. Encyclopaedic knowledge of all things Holmesian. To me John is a nostalgic figure; I remember as a kid the local newspapers running full-page ads for the latest Johnny Wadd films starring “Big John” Holmes, or lesser flicks starring the likes of Tony “The Hook” Perez or the Ivory Snow girl. Back then everybody knew of Johnny Holmes, he was a folk hero, sort of counterculture-gone-mainstream. So any story involving John takes me back to the old days when things were simpler.

        I also remember one dude who allegedly got fired from his job at a paper manufacturing company, for using his company email account to send unpleasant emails to some gal on the LionsGate board who was a regular. That LionsGate board was wild for sure. No wonder they shut it down.

        Oh and also there was a postress named WILDHEART (always in all caps) who got herself a set of custom license plates for her automobile… “WADD”. Awesome.

        • Anon4Now 10:36 pm on September 24, 2014 Permalink

          “Can’t exactly say I am pro-Eddie…” I remember one post that was made under your name (not saying it was you) I think on the IMDb board where you said Nash was “Israeli mafia.” Some of that IMDb talk was mirrored on the Lions Gate board. I don’t know what a “mafia” is, but I’ve watched all the Puzo movies like everyone else. When someone mentions “mafia” I think of ethnic or multi-racial Hollywood-type criminal groups, or “crews” as they’re called on the Net. But I thought Nash was Palestinian?

          There was one girl from the Oak Park area of Sacramento, that might have been the Wildheart you were talking about. She was also making some kind of arty-type creations with a Wadd theme.

          I don’t know what “screen caps” are, but one female poster (as I remember it) was making “screen caps” for some kind of Wonderland-Wadd type production. If any’s been made I’ve never seen it.

          I think there was another female poster whose father had once been employed at a Great Lakes-area brewery like Budweiser or something.

          I remember the story of the paper-plant employee, but I thought it was Laurie working there scaring people. I think I read that she’d been in prison for killing someone for a bag of dope. Honestly, that’s a bit much. From what I’ve heard (no personal experience; I’ve never grown or manufactured drugs, so I don’t honestly know anything about drugs one way or the next) people can’t just go around getting even with everyone every time they buy a small quantity of bad dope. It might not be the dealer’s fault, it might be his supplier having to cut back for a moment. Or maybe not, maybe it is an intentional burn. But maybe the burner will make it up to the burnee at a later time after he gets his foodstamps or something; it’s not something to immediately go into a terminal spin over. That’s simply not good business.

          Since Wonderland came out there’s been a lot of drug legalization movements in many states, and press like what Laurie’s said to have is exactly what causes these changes. Do you remember the pound of baking soda story and the post by someone that they should name a “new drug” after Launius or whoever it was that did that? Now that’s a larger amount of burn, one that would probably warrant a payback. But small time thefts like Laurie’s, and the braggadocio that follows petty crime like that, becomes so repellent after decades go by people will try to change things just to shut them up.

          Which leads into Nash. Was that merely a drug theft? Now honestly, Critic, as many decades as you’ve been discussing this, why wouldn’t guns have been used by whoever it was that did the payback crime (some posters back then talked about a MacLeane family, I’m sure I’ve spelled that wrong)? They obviously weren’t worried about being overheard, there was always a lot of noise from that house anyway.

          I can’t find it right now, but there’s an article on the Web somewhere about a Sacramento Oak Park-area woman whose dog saved her from a home invader a few years ago. I noticed her name as being one that posted on a Wikipedia Wonderland-type related forum, and the home invasion happened a short time after her post (got to see if I can find that). No idea who that woman is, didn’t recognize her picture and Oak Park’s a real wild side of town my parents never told me about anyway, so no clue, just noticing the time coincidence. Me, when I first started following this subject around in 2004, I had a fun time around my house. I’ve moved since then.

          So, how have you been?

        • criticextraordinaire 5:50 am on September 25, 2014 Permalink

          Anon,

          I would never have referred to Eddie as “Israeli Mafia” for the reason you had stated, he is Palestinian as I understand. Besides, most of the Israeli Mafia of which I am aware came from Russia, Uzbekistan, or Georgia and did not emigrate to the USA. These days you hear them referred to euphemistically as “Israeli businessmen”. I probably would have referred to The Nash as a guy not to be messed with based on his reputation in the press and his various convictions.

          Why were guns not used in the hit at 8763? Because it was a revenge hit. For the attackers it was personal, they wanted to inflict pain, send a message to anybody else who might want to mess around. Any murder investigator will tell you that. Bludgeonings tend to be a crime of passion and anger. So that explains why the pipes instead of guns. They wanted the victims to experience pain over a longer period of time than a gunshot would afford. That said I would imagine the attackers were packing too, just in case.

          I do not buy the McLean theory because in that case, if this was a situation where a fellow drug dealer was simply exacting revenge for a baking soda scam, the Gang would indeed have been shot. Strictly business, get in and get out. Nope… the bludgeoning aspect of this crime tells me it was personal.

          WILDHEART… Yeah I remember now, I think she made an art creation for an exhibit in Hollywood for some sort of Museum of Adult Cinema event, something like that. Might have been a decoupage handbag or similar. WILDHEART was always a fun poster, kept things light on the boards. When I was in LA a few years later I kept an eye out for those WADD plates. :-)

          The chick you mention re: the drug murder… she was acquitted by a jury and so did not do any time for that crime which I believe stands as being officially unsolved. As I recall I think there was a false confession due to some sort of multiple-personality situation but it’s been a long time. It is alleged that she died in 2005 but some of us are not so sure about that, despite the obituary that was printed in a Midwestern newspaper and her Find-A-Grave memorial. Of course if she really is dead then may she RIP.

    • Anon4Now 9:09 am on September 25, 2014 Permalink | Reply

      Critic,

      Thanks for your thorough response. You’re right on all points, and I don’t intentionally mean to put words in person’s mouths or posts. I must have disremembered the post on IMDb about “Israeli mafia,” it might have been from someone else. But I think that might have been the first time I saw that phrase in print.

      OK, remember whoever it was that went to Wonderland hoped they’d find Lind there. Lind and Launius did time together in Chino (though I figured Lind would have been in a Northern California prison). People doing state time have years to be on the weight pile, they get incredibly strong. They really rival professional football players in strength, if not in speed as prison guards don’t like prisoners who can run fast (except in “The Jericho Mile”). Additionally, they get adept in cell fighting, either by figuring out quick, lethal holds on their own against their unhappy cellies, or by tutoring by older, more experienced cons wanting a “crew” of their own. These people are really strong, and you’ll know when you’ve been hit.

      If a group of persons bent on retaliation were to enter a house where there was even one of this kind of ex-con, nothing short of a bazooka would be needed to make sure nothing was left afterwards and a safe escape by the attackers be made. I know payback’s sweet for the aggrieved, but here the success of the payback would need be assured. Really, it’d be safer to throw explosives through a house window from blocks away than to go after someone like Lind or Launius with pipes. Prisoners are schooled on how to hit an attacking lunatic on their upper arms to momentarily paralyze their hands so a home-made shank gets dropped instead of inserted, and that’s why old-time cons would tape shanks into their hands before running into the cell next door to quiet things down. And they can move fast for brief periods; these aren’t normal people anymore, and family members notice that when they come home.

      Except the attackers were no doubt certain that the Wonderland residents would be too loaded to use any of their incredibly lethal skills. That’s how those things end, I guess. All that time on the weight pile,stuffed into their arms and all useless now. Maybe that’s why they didn’t use guns, they knew everyone was too stoned to fight back. I have another theory.

      Remember Sousa and “Four on the Floor?”

      I remember talk of an adult museum in LA, I think you’re right there.

      And thanks for speaking with me.

    • localarts 10:24 am on September 25, 2014 Permalink | Reply

      “Bludgeonings tend to be a crime of passion and anger. So that explains why the pipes instead of guns. They wanted the victims to experience pain over a longer period of time than a gunshot would afford. That said I would imagine the attackers were packing too, just in case”

      That’s true to a lesser degree. I believe everyone was “packing” with the exception of Holmes. You have to remember how close these houses were to one another. Multiple gun shots would have brought way too much attention. We’re talking a minimum five rounds of gun fire at 4 am.

      Everybody has their own theory but nobody knows what the real truth is and never will.

      • criticextraordinaire 6:05 pm on September 25, 2014 Permalink | Reply

        Well I would not expect John to have been packing. If he had, he likely would have gotten the drop on the other guys and saved the day.

      • Anon4Now 11:05 pm on September 25, 2014 Permalink | Reply

        Browsing through some old emails, it was Lori Sheirer: “…in October ’05 in the ‘Letter to Lori Scheirer’s Probation Officer’ thread…” and the fake obituary she was said to have posted to an online website. That was before she tried to drum up some kind of donations from NAMI. That’s what was found on the Web back then, anyway, and I still think that’s a terrible thing to do to an organization like NAMI. Those people are really crazy, and I’d hate to get that pack on my tail.

        Excerpt from an old email: ” Also, on Wonderland II, I seriously doubt that any such movie will ever be made due to the fact that the original Wonderland did not have a very wide release and didn’t make any money in the end. It will remain nothing more than a film with a cult like following.” I guess that’s where that ends.

        OK, a theory. What if some persons from Sacramento (probably easy to figure out who these were in the movie) were actually active police informants due to their wish to escape a pretty bad dope bust when they reached Southern California. This bust would have been in the Sacramento area. Either by manipulation from detectives, personal acquaintances, or unknown outside sources, they were guided to Southern California in their capacities as snitches. Then, either deliberately or by chance, they became involved in the Nash robbery. Now, the way this paid informant deal works, the snitch is the driving force behind the “crime.” He or she is the one who goads the unwitting “crew” into performing whatever act it is the detectives wish to happen, the “crime” itself. Here, for conversation’s sake, let it be the Nash residence be the robbery and Lind and Barbara be the instigators/informants. If Launius and Holmes were their initial targets, who knows, but according to the media of the ’80s and Wonderland, that’s how it ended. So Holmes, shown in the movie as the one wanting Nash hit for whatever reason, might have only been a dupe for the informants, who have to move fast to get the situation over with before they get caught either by the victims or by the cops should they wish to play even another angle to the whole mess, or wish to escape everyone by taking off their wires and riding into the sunset with all the cash they got from the robbery topped off with all the money they got from the detectives to work as snitches. Not so far fetched, you read things like this all the time with feds and snitches infiltrating motorcycle gangs.

        So there’s the robbery being all planned out with Lind maybe having a wire on him the whole time. Did you ever see anyone patting anyone else down in the movie? No? Perhaps there was law enforcement following the whole thing. Then the robbery happens, all the robbers are happy except Holmes, the robbed ones are quite angry, and, if there was law enforcement involved, they might be both happy and worried.

        Then (I think this was according to you, Critic), Lind goes to a motel with a prostitute and whoever it really was retaliated on the robbers, a retaliation done not with firearms, but with clubs of some kind (striated bars are the little dumbbell bars with the threaded ends). If Lind was an informant, then he would have been taken out of harm’s way after the robbery, and many prostitutes double their income by being informants, also (a quite untrustworthy group, though I’ve never known any); so that might really be true. If the involved law enforcement agency knew of (if not condoned) the retaliatory hit, they would have wished it to be sans guns not only to give the victims some kind of chance to escape or phone for help, but also to keep the NRA off their backs as we all know by the media that whenever a violent crime happens that includes gun play, all the nation gets in an uproar. Keeping the hit free of firearms (and knives, thinking about it) also keeps it “clean,” an important point should anyone successfully snitch on the detectives themselves after all the dust settled. And that’s truly the most dangerous part: those kind of cops really don’t want to get caught.

        Shouldn’t be too hard to work that into your chapter, John, as that’s how it was back then. Nancy Reagan and “Just Say No!”

        So, isn’t that a terrible thought? Something like this, an horrendous crime that still resonates over 30 years later, possibly being the result of a police sting. And remember Holmes supposed to be a terrible snitch who told on everyone including his porn friends, too, so that whole “crime” involved an entire grouping of honestly terrible police informants. Incredibly, I’d read on the old boards comments like “Wow! I wonder what it was like to party with those guys back in the day!” It was a real bummer. “Summer, baby, bummer!”

        Plausible idea, isn’t it? And remember also the comments about Lind having to “return to Sacramento” shortly after the robbery. Probably to check in with whatever detective he was working with. Anyway, just tossing this whole post out for a critique.

        Critic, you and Boogie are the aficionados here. Is all this Wonderland III?

        And, anyway, my OPEC/Sammy Hagar story, who knows? I know I heard that song in ’73. The computer says ’84, but that may simply be more secret 37th Marines light shows. The Web’s infallible, isn’t it? Here today, gone the next. When was the first time you heard that song?

    • localarts 6:26 pm on September 25, 2014 Permalink | Reply

      You know, if that were true I think Ronnie would have been proud him. Probably would not have forgiven the debts he owned them & the antique gun thing but Launius would have shown Holmes a little more respect.

  • John 10:06 am on September 2, 2014 Permalink | Reply
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    The Kit Kat Club In 1976 

    Thanks to Antoine for the heads up.

    The Kit Kat Club was featured in an episode of Barnaby Jones in 1976. The actor who played the guy with the horse head from The Godfather is in this as well. I wonder if Barnaby fired off his old peacemaker at the end of the episode as he solved the case? He always did.

    Antoine says:

    I stumbled on an old episode of the TV show Barnaby Jones from 1976 and to my shock the Kit Kat Club in Hollywood was in it. A very good shot of the outside and inside. It was easy to find searching the Hollywood Welding on Google (which is seen in the background). Its still there. Kit Kat Club was on Santa Monica and N Hudson Ave. A Honda car dealership is there now.

    Lunch -- Dinner

    Lunch — Dinner

    and the complete episode, the footage starts at about the 29:00 minute mark:

     

     
  • John 10:01 am on August 12, 2014 Permalink | Reply
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    More From Jerry Vann’s Book… 

    Jerry is quite a character, obviously. You can read more by ordering his book here at Amazon.

    It was easy back then (late 70s/early 80s) to use stolen credit cards, because there was no swiper machine or computers. This was one of their biggest scams it appears. The clerk ran carbons of the card, the old fashioned way. On big ticket items like jewelry, they may call the credit company, but if the stolen card was fresh and not yet reported, it was all clear to buy stuff with.

    Again, Greg is Jerry’s friend (it’s not Greg Diles) and Tony is Nash underling, Anthony Mudarris. The Nash attorney, Mr. Blaish, is still around LA doing business… from a few Google searches.

    Enjoy…

    jerry-van4

    In the following scene, Jerry and Greg had been nailed at a mall using stolen credit cards to buy a watch. They tried to make a run for it but were caught, since they were both out of shape. Jerry was also in trouble at this time because he had been arrested for firing a gun in the air or towards D.A. investigators who had been watching him.

    Famous bail bondsman, Hal Glickman, also makes a cameo. Hal is deceased (about 10 years I believe). His wife, Dottie, who allegedly picked up Holmes that night, died of breast cancer on New Year’s Eve in 1997. Their son, who later took over the family bail biz, has not yet responded to my emails and FB messages requesting an interview.

    In the end, in my opinion, Nash had money and connections, he could even order a hit if he wanted. But he was really just a wealthy coke-head, pulling extracurricular scams, arsons and frauds for quick cash. He chased women day and night. To me, Nash was a slick wiseguy who used others to insulate himself from the crimes. Pure Nash.

    jerry-van3

     
    • Miranda 3:45 pm on August 19, 2014 Permalink | Reply

      To those of you who think you are strange, I must also be! I find true crime interesting. I read up on different cases and this is one I have read into some about the dynamics of persons involved. Crazy how different they were yet drugs brought them all together. I have heard before that if you do drugs or get into the drug culture you will find others who are on the same track.

    • Stacey Jane Lind Ferraro 7:38 pm on August 27, 2014 Permalink | Reply

      Only the picture on the far right is David Clay Lind I should know he is my dad.I was looking for pictures of him too and can not find any youg ones but I saw him from ’92 to 94 .

      • John 10:12 am on September 2, 2014 Permalink | Reply

        Hi Stacey,

        Thanks for visiting the blog. I am John. I am writing a book about the Wonderland Murders.

        I would like to interview you sometime about your dad. Very little is known about him. I have only found what little I know about him thru background checks, and they can be erroneous sometimes.

        Please email me back! wonderland1981blog at gmail.com

        Thanks,
        John

        • Hymie 3:34 pm on September 6, 2014 Permalink

          What would you like to know?

      • Anon4Now 8:33 am on September 6, 2014 Permalink | Reply

        There was a Cassie Lind who used to post on another board. I found out later that board wasn’t a Lions Gate board though the posters there claimed it was. Who knows, but the Sacramento detectives that worked Lind and other of his contemporary paid informants caused much havoc with their type of police “tactics.”

        Problems with this type of police work is the perps are really the victims and it’s really impossible for them to ever escape the system. The snitches that they turn out eventually are disenchanted, too, but for them it’s all too late.

        If you’re really one of Lind’s daughters, you should remember a couple of his Sacramento friends. Brad, maybe?

        • John 12:48 pm on September 8, 2014 Permalink

          Thanks Anon. I am writing a chapter for the book about the use of police informants in the 1970s. It was a different era, and like vice cops today, informants and snitches were an important part of their investigation, however sketchy… legally… those tactics are….

      • Pepe 4:25 pm on September 6, 2014 Permalink | Reply

        Were you visiting in Santa Rosa?

    • localarts 8:27 pm on September 3, 2014 Permalink | Reply

      Lee Meriwether was beyond hot!

      • criticextraordinaire 5:48 am on September 9, 2014 Permalink | Reply

        Ms. Meriwether is still hot.

        • Bobby 8:19 am on September 12, 2014 Permalink

          I believe they call that ‘prunetang’.

        • criticextraordinaire 7:41 pm on September 17, 2014 Permalink

          I’d still hit it…

    • localarts 12:13 pm on September 12, 2014 Permalink | Reply

      LOL

  • John 3:17 pm on August 4, 2014 Permalink | Reply
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    Excerpts From Jerry Vann’s Book “Underworld Secrets…” 

    Since Eddie Nash is not dead (confirmed by fellow club owner Chris Cox, it appears), then I will leave you with some Nash quotes from Jerry Vann’s book “Underworld Secrets: Jimmy Hoffa to Las Vegas”. Jerry Vann (Van Hoorelbeke?) is an interesting character and I should like to track him down for an interview one day.

    It appears that Eddie Nash is upset here about Jerry’s friend, Greg (not Greg Diles) – and his visits to Nash’s strip club. Greg is hurting business!

    jerry-van1

    On this page, the “Tony” character is Anthony Mudarris, who was indicted with Nash for money laundering and RICO stuff in 2000. Jerry paints himself well in the book, even saving a stripper girl who Tony had tossed down a hillside. It appears that Jerry & company also liked to use stolen / fake credit cards to buy jewelry and other valuables, but that is in another chapter I will post later. In even another chapter Jerry is frightened to death of Eddie’s heroin smugglers in Hawaii, even thinking he might die during the exchange as intermediary.

    jerry-van2

     
    • localarts 4:59 pm on August 5, 2014 Permalink | Reply

      Ed had everybody in his pocket. I wonder how many son’s & daughter’s of the LAPD brass he put through college? Eddie Nash truly was the God Father of LA during that period of time. I would not at all be surprised if Nash was doing business with the Chagra brothers back in the 70’s & 80″s.

      • Sean 4:11 am on August 8, 2014 Permalink | Reply

        Happy 70th birthday to John Holmes. Was he not dead for the past 27 years.

      • Sean 4:46 pm on August 8, 2014 Permalink | Reply

        Happy 70th birthday to John C. Holmes! Was he not dead for the past 26 and a half years.

      • Mike 8:29 pm on August 9, 2014 Permalink | Reply

        I’m a lone voice in the wilderness here, but I don’t believe for a minute that LAPD brass, or those of LASD for that matter, were paid off by Nash. I believe that the fed investigator was – I believe this is known. I also think that a high city official surely was involved, but the the local police brass (and I’m aware of what Lang and his partner said about a hidden hand seeming to steer them away)? No way.

    • Ken 9:54 pm on August 5, 2014 Permalink | Reply

      Yep…..up till the whole WONDERLAND incident Nash was pretty much considered to be the “King of Hollywood” but once it became known that he did order the killings everybody he had paid off in the past weren’t there for him anymore….

      • localarts 10:46 am on August 11, 2014 Permalink | Reply

        That’s probably true. I think one glaring aspect that people tend to overlook is Nash controlled a lot people out of fear.

    • jim 9:58 pm on August 17, 2014 Permalink | Reply

      the king of Hollywood who ever heard of eddie nash before wonderland and by the way the Chicago outfit controlled things there any way at that time tony spilatro was more known as a menace to authoritory than nash he probably was paying off the outfit if he was as big as reported he would have to

      • Ken 12:56 pm on August 18, 2014 Permalink | Reply

        Nash was VERY well known in the Los Angeles area in the late 60’s and all through the 70’s.

        The Outfit’s reach never extended westward from Chicago past the hotel casinos that they owned in Las Vegas and even the New York mob that did have a limited amount of control in Los Angeles most of that was back in the 40’s till the early 60’s.

        Carlo Gambino once made the statement that he could probably count the number of “Made Guys” tthat were on the west coast on one hand.

        • localarts 6:43 pm on August 19, 2014 Permalink

          The fact Eddie is still alive say’s it all.

    • jim 10:50 pm on August 24, 2014 Permalink | Reply

      well the west coast mob was known as the mickey mouse mob and Chicago had everything west of the Mississippi sorry if I never herd of nash but out of all the true crime books I’ve read never came across him and its been published in many books that tony accardo did everything he could to stop the guy in LA from ever achieving anything he thought he was a clown according to FBI agent Bill Rohmer man against the mob book

    • localarts 10:59 am on August 25, 2014 Permalink | Reply

      Eddie Nash was a crime figure not a crime boss per say. Nash was a legitimate business owner as well as a drug lord. There was no criminal structure (hierarchy) as is the case with most traditional mafia families. Eddie Nash was simply Eddie Nash. Nash had power and influence. The extent of which is debatable.

      • The Odyssey 11:52 pm on August 28, 2014 Permalink | Reply

        Eddie Nash outlived everybody and made 30 million dollars in 2008 selling the Seven Seas building. He is/was the King Of Hollywood. Don’t care what. Anybody says.

      • jim 9:56 pm on August 31, 2014 Permalink | Reply

        Perfecto localarts

        • The Odyssey 12:34 am on September 17, 2014 Permalink

          Tony Mudarris daughter Nikki is on Love and Hip Hop Hollywood on Vh1

  • John 9:42 am on July 8, 2014 Permalink | Reply
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    BeeGees Capture Street Imagery Of Fabulous Motel Row 

    We hit 500,000 page views this week ;-)

    In July, 1981 – John Holmes and his girl, Dawn, had fled to Miami, ending up at the Fountainhead Inn. During this time it was considered not-so Fabulous Motel Row. It’s heyday was over…. well today, I found this video for the BeeGees, only released 10 years ago, and it has background street life and neon signs of Motel Row from a few years before Holmes was there…”Most of these motels are now closed…” etc. A great time capsule!  Anyways, you get to see what it looked like at night in 1978.

    Background:

    A music video was made for the song in 1978, but not shown to the public until 2004. It features the brothers singing the song in a darkened studio, layered over background video filmed while driving along “Motel Row” on Collins Avenue, a three-mile motel strip in what is now Sunny Isles Beach, Florida. Most of these motels are now closed or demolished, including several whose names are reminiscent of Las Vegas resorts (Castaways, Desert Inn, Sahara, Golden Nugget).

     
    • localarts 9:00 am on July 10, 2014 Permalink | Reply

      It took me a long to realize how great these guys were. “Nights on Broadway” is a great song as well.

      • Jacob Bartle 9:05 am on July 13, 2014 Permalink | Reply

        Eddie Nash died July 4th (two weeks ago) surprised no news here.

        • John 9:49 am on July 28, 2014 Permalink

          Jacob, thanks. Do you have a link to share? I could find nothing.

        • localarts 3:47 pm on July 29, 2014 Permalink

          Wrong! Eddie is the Prince of Darkness…..he will never die.

        • John 12:44 pm on August 4, 2014 Permalink

          It appears so, he’s immortal.

    • London 4:57 pm on July 12, 2014 Permalink | Reply

      Hi John. you are very close. i grew up a couple of houses up the street from where this happened. I was almost 12 when it occurred. everybody in the house was pretty cool to me. use to give me rides to the country store or pick me up if i was walking.

      • John 9:43 am on July 28, 2014 Permalink | Reply

        Thanks London. Please tell some stories if you can? Thanks.

    • localarts 4:45 pm on July 16, 2014 Permalink | Reply

      “We hit 500,000 page views this week” Congratulations John. Did you ever think this site would attract such an audience?

    • Mark C 9:57 pm on July 31, 2014 Permalink | Reply

      Anybody find out for sure if Eddie Nash died July 4th?? Or is it a internet rumor ??
      I searched could not find out nothing.
      Hey Eddie !!!!! You still on here with your snuggles with built in booties on, kick back on easy chair with TV tray & lap top in front of you??
      I still say that would make my day if we ever track a ISP # back to Ole Nash himself on here enjoying reading about himself.
      One tough guy, He got to be, he about out lived all his old friends. He appears to did enough right heath wise to of made it this long.

      • chris cox 11:24 pm on July 31, 2014 Permalink | Reply

        he is still with us.

      • localarts 5:55 pm on August 2, 2014 Permalink | Reply

        If it’s true, I find it very difficult to believe there is no mention of it in the press. Especially someone as notorious as Nash. I actually remember when Eddie was charged with the Wonderland murders back in 88-89 and it was all over the papers. Maybe Jacob Bartel is a.k.a Eddie Nash? LOL.

    • rimbaudgirl 3:43 am on August 3, 2014 Permalink | Reply

      I dont know if it means much but wikipedia says nash died july 4…i know they often get things wrong but arent the dates of birth and death usually right?

    • localarts 11:49 am on August 3, 2014 Permalink | Reply

      If Adel Nasrallah took a dirt nap, it would have come across the AP wire at some point.

  • John 4:56 pm on July 2, 2014 Permalink | Reply
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    Chuck Negron Performs @ July 4th Festival 07/05/81 

    A few days before this concert, he was at Wonderland.

    This was at Long Beach. Other groups which performed at this event were the Beach Boys and Pablo Cruise.

    This one’s for Joy!!

     
    • Bobby 8:28 am on July 4, 2014 Permalink | Reply

      No doubt Chuck would’ve sped over to the Wonderland house as soon as he got paid for that gig! ;p
      So, does anybody know if the Three Dog Night record at the crime scene was a gift from Chuck (possibly as an exchange for a discount on dope) or was it already in Joy & Billy’s collection? Such a weird coincidence that it was the ‘one’ (boom-boom!) sleeve that ended up getting splattered in blood! What a morbid collector’s item akin to the album Lennon signed for Mark Chapman. Chuck & Julia must’ve freaked when they learnt about that – really spooky synchronicity considering they nearly went over to the house on that fateful night!

      • Bobby 8:39 am on July 4, 2014 Permalink | Reply

        Er, slight addendum: Guess he wasn’t speeding over to the Wonderland house as I just realised that this concert was a few days after the murders… BUT, had this been before.. LOL – I think y’know what I was getting at… :)
        Hmm, wonder who he started scoring off at this stage?…

        • criticextraordinaire 5:54 pm on July 4, 2014 Permalink

          Yeah I kinda wonder that too. The Wonderland Gang’s Wikipedia page describes them as “most influential and feared cocaine distributorship of its time in Los Angeles”. I’ve got to think the next few months saw shortages for customers and turf wars by other dealers trying to carve up the territory.

    • scabiesoftherat 9:22 pm on July 4, 2014 Permalink | Reply

      This is a really stellar find, John. Great post. I can’t help but wonder what was going through Chuck’s mind while he was performing here. He seems completely at ease up there. He had to have known about it at this point. It was all over the news. If it were me, I would be scanning the wings looking for cops who were waiting to talk to me about my affiliation with such a questionable residence…but not Chuck, man! He’s out there killin’ it in his own right!…and, not to mention, he’s on the same bill with Dennis “i-lived-with-Manson” Wilson of the Beach Boys. The only thing that could make that bill better would be to have Mark Lindsay do a set. Great video. It’s now in my favorites list. (Geez. I never would have known that was a Three Dog Night album next to the couch had it not been for this blog.) That makes this performance even more serendipitous. Just a side observation about this video? You know it’s 1981 when the lead singer of a pop music combo comes out wearing a striped polo shirt that happens to be tucked in,…AND you know it’s 1981 when a girl in the crowd pulls a pack of Marlboro 100s out her cleavage. You can get a ticket for BOTH of those offenses nowadays.

      • John 2:57 pm on July 8, 2014 Permalink | Reply

        I tried to see if he had track marks on his arms, but no luck. He is 6’3 or 4….so in this vid he must weight a buck fifty! Maybe less.

  • John 2:06 pm on July 1, 2014 Permalink | Reply  

    “We have never heard the whole truth [about the killings] and we never will hear the whole truth,” Attorney Earl Hanson told The Times a month after Holmes died of AIDS in 1988. Later that year, two other men were charged with the murders.

    So far, Earl has been correct. But, we’ve found out a lot more since then.

    Earl died in April of 2000. RIP to ALL this day.

     
    • Mark C 6:28 pm on July 1, 2014 Permalink | Reply

      So true post there John.

    • localarts 8:25 pm on July 1, 2014 Permalink | Reply

      That’s another tragedy in and of itself.

    • John 10:42 am on July 2, 2014 Permalink | Reply

      Ed loved Holmes “like a brother”. Like Cain and Abel, he was betrayed by him. Eddie loved John so much, that he didn’t even have him killed, and he could have very easily. I honestly think that Ed’s only murders, allegedly, were the Wonderland gang. I don’t think he had ever killed, or conspired to kill… before, or since.

      At the present, I’m a bit surprised that the only people still walking around are Ed and Susan.

    • localarts 11:54 am on July 2, 2014 Permalink | Reply

      Eddie was quoted as saying “John Holmes was nothing but a liar and a thief” that was some years after the slayings.

      • John 11:59 am on July 2, 2014 Permalink | Reply

        Coming from an honor-culture, the proud Palestinian once boasted to a writer (and I paraphrase): “Thorson was good to have around the house, cleaning things, doing errands, because he was gay. I often had many college girls at the house, so I had a gay chef too” (meaning, that they wouldn’t mess with the girls… he needed that reassurance because he was a very jealous man and you don’t fuck with the Nash!!!!) LOL

    • localarts 1:54 pm on July 2, 2014 Permalink | Reply

      Eddie was obviously a smart guy but his downfall was his relationship with Holmes.

      • Bobby 9:42 am on July 4, 2014 Permalink | Reply

        And his relationship with coke. Drug dealers tend to get a Caesar complex – mix that with coke fuelled paranoia/rage and it’s a recipe for disaster.

  • John 9:04 am on July 1, 2014 Permalink | Reply
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    Eddie Nash Filed Civil Rights Lawsuit Against L.A. In 2007 

    In the lawsuit, Ed was suing three district attorneys of L.A. for violation of his civil rights. But I couldn’t really find too much on this case, or if it was thrown out, settled, etc.

    Under this law, a citizen can sue the individuals involved who worked for the state, but not the state itself. A company is listed as plaintiff as well, so must be something business-related?

    I will reach out to his civil attorney in the case to ask if I can interview Ed sometime. Through his lawyer, Eddie told Jill who wrote the Holmes book that he would “sleep on it” but then said “No” on the following Monday. I would really like to do a chapter on his early life, more than anything.

    The details:

    Nature of Suit: Civil Rights: Other
    Cause of Action: 42:1983 Civil Rights Act

    Every person who under color of any statute, ordinance, regulation, custom, or usage, of any State or Territory or the District of Columbia, subjects, or causes to be subjected, any citizen of the United States or other person within the jurisdiction thereof to the deprivation of any rights, privileges, or immunities secured by the Constitution and laws, shall be liable to the party injured in an action at law, Suit in equity, or other proper proceeding for redress, except that in any action brought against a judicial officer for an act or omission taken in such officer’s judicial capacity, injunctive relief shall not be granted unless a declaratory decree was violated or declaratory relief was unavailable.  For the purposes of this section, any Act of Congress applicable exclusively to the District of Columbia shall be considered to be a statute of the District of Columbia.

    The number of cases that have been brought under section 1983 has dramatically increased since 1961 when the Supreme Court decided Monroe v. Pape.  In Monroe, the Supreme Court held that a police officer was acting “under color of state law” even though his actions violated state law.  This was the first case in which the Supreme Court allowed liability to attach where a government official acted outside the scope of the authority granted to him by state law.

    Here’s his civil case summary.

     
    • Mark C 6:57 pm on July 1, 2014 Permalink | Reply

      Nash really did live The American Dream story pretty good himself. It be great to get his true “early life” story and that all. I am not trying to reduce what he did or they say he did to family of Wonderland Victims or anybody else,
      He may be a little bitter about the Wonderland part of his life because he lost a very lot not including the money during that part of his life. Going to jail is no cake walk for anybody. It be something I would not be too eager to talk about myself. But Eddie got where Judge was impressed so much with him that he allowed Eddie out of jail early to get the proper medical treatment he needed to save his life. With out proper medical treatment Eddie could be right now 6 foot under like so many in this case.

      • RAW DOPE BMORE 5:19 pm on July 13, 2014 Permalink | Reply

        ive interviewed nash believe it or not, i got his number on 411.com i paid $2.00 but what the hell i mean this is the “NASH” for heavens sake. but i spoke with his daughter first she was very pleasant and i asked her if she could give him my number and ask her to call and low and behold nomore than 10 minutes later he called under a blocked number and i was very excited, he told me about when they arrested him and that he volunteered in mentoring drug programs all throughout california and that its hard getting old and that hes been clean since his last jail stint and that john holmes was a 2 faced lying rat who was not to be trusted and that he was a coward and he used him to drive his female friends home when he was finish with them and that holmes did so willingly for a single rock of base.and he also said that hes just living in infamy now and thats not him anymore and that if he had to do it over again he wouldnt have ever befriended john holmes and this was about 3 years ago when i called his home oh btw i asked about greg diles and also about life in palestine and he got really edgy and said he might call me back later he was tired and he got his number changed in about a week but luckily i got to meet one of my icons and i thank god for that alot. i guess he probably thought i was paparazzi or the feds but im just a fan of the way he ruled cali with a iron fist and how much money he accumilated without ever blowing his cover as a kingpin he was making more legit money than illegal money my hero

    • criticextraordinaire 9:03 am on July 4, 2014 Permalink | Reply

      An interview with Eddie would be a huge, massive score. I would not expect to get any revelations about the Wonderland hit per se, but he certainly could shine a light on some of the now-deceased players, and perhaps offer some never-before-heard details of the assault on him and Gregory Diles. Your blog takes a very professional approach to the whole story, so maybe Eddie will see your invitation as a way to finally tell his story to somebody who will not sensationalize it or twist it.

      The only version of that story that we hear is the narrative provided by Lind, whose credibility is, uh, *questionable*. We need to hear the other side of the story.

      Would also be great to get Eddie’s take on what it was like to hang out and party with Johnny Wadd, and did he have access to any of John’s costars..

      • Bobby 9:56 am on July 4, 2014 Permalink | Reply

        Couldn’t agree more! It would be great to hear Nash chime in on other aspects of his life unrelated to the murders. I’m guessing he wouldn’t be interested in talking to anyone but who knows, if he was made aware that an objective book was being written about the case he might agree to an interview – sans any deathbed-seque confession of course! Not holding my breath though.

  • John 2:42 pm on June 26, 2014 Permalink | Reply
    Tags: john holmes death   

    The Last Stop For John Holmes 

    John Holmes died on March 13, 1988. You can read about the VA hospital here at the blog. It’s now a part-time movie set, and the other half of the hospital is out-patient only for veterans.

    According to his death certificate:

    Two days later, John’s mortal remains were cremated here at the Chapel of the Pines Crematory, just west of downtown L.A. His ashes were spread at sea just off the coast of Oxnard, CA.

    This nice domed structure looks like an observatory, and was built in 1903. Although their website claims “the final resting place for the cremains for a number of notable persons”, most of them are obscure (to me) old timey actors from before 1950. The only name that jumped out at me was Stephen Stucker. He played Johnny in the Airplane movies. Stephen died of AIDS in 1986, two years before John Holmes.

    1605 South Catalina Street, Los Angeles

    1605 South Catalina Street, Los Angeles

    John was probably delivered through this service entrance to the receiving area/back door. Note the creepy looking smokestacks.

    Service entrance

    Service entrance

     
    • mark c 3:09 pm on June 26, 2014 Permalink | Reply

      If them smokestacks could talk they sure have lot to say.

      • John 8:03 am on June 27, 2014 Permalink | Reply

        I guess this is where Laurie Holmes made the final inspection of John, seeing his remains all “intact”, and allowing the mortician to proceed with the cremation. John did not want it in a jar on a shelf, at some rich pervert’s house.

        • criticextraordinaire 7:58 am on June 28, 2014 Permalink

          “The Last Viewing of John C. Holmes”… would make a nice title for a PBS production about the King. His story should be on the “American Masters” series.

    • localarts 10:15 am on June 30, 2014 Permalink | Reply

      On this date, way way back when. John Holmes would trade-in his crack pipe for a lead pipe and the rest is history..

      • John 11:29 am on June 30, 2014 Permalink | Reply

        At about this time, 33 years ago (9:26am PST), Lind had just left the Wonderland house, Ron was back with Susan at the house chilling, and I guess Joy and Billy were fencing goods to Fat Howard. I guess Barbara was reading her book. In about 5 hours, Holmes would be picked up at his answering service in Santa Monica by Diles and company, and hauled over to Nash’s (or he went to Nash’s on his own, if you like that theory). Whichever, but some shit was about to go down in the city of angels.

    • localarts 12:01 pm on June 30, 2014 Permalink | Reply

      I like the latter theory. Remember, Chris Cox showed up at Eddies that afternoon (after the robbery) and saw Holmes standing by the bar. I completely agree with Nils ” Holmes didn’t need a whole lot of persuading” If Diles “beat the hell out of him” as Thorson stated, John Holmes would not have showed up at the hotel with just blood shoot eyes as Dawn would later say.

      While many of the investigators who worked or were in some fashion close to this case believe Holmes murdered Ron Launius, I believe Holmes actually murdered one of the women. Holmes was just too frightened of Ron Launius, even if he was passed out. Besides, John Holmes had a history of violence against women.

      • criticextraordinaire 8:05 pm on June 30, 2014 Permalink | Reply

        I doubt that John killed anybody, except maybe for those two guys that it is alleged that he accidentally killed while filming a scene in a gay loop.

    • localarts 10:06 pm on June 30, 2014 Permalink | Reply

      You’re a fan, of course you believe he didn’t kill anybody.

      • CynFin 9:00 pm on July 2, 2014 Permalink | Reply

        I have so many questions. Didn’t John’s wife say that he was covered in blood and she helped him to wash bone fragments and bits of flesh from his hair in a bath the morning after the murders? Hmmm . . . seems logical to me that John got close and personal. This was NOT a shootout. Also, if Ron was such a “killer”, are there any theories about why he allowed Nash and Diles to live after the robbery? Surely, Nash was not the only drug connection in the area. Unless the gang was just so high and ego driven that they planned to go back . . . . to do it again and again? Nash and Diles should be 1981 history.

        • localarts 10:51 pm on July 2, 2014 Permalink

          Yeah, I think Nils Grevillius said Sharon told him it was pieces of bone and brain matter that covered his hair. According to David Lind, Ron Launius had a knife to Diles throat and started to cut him but Lind intervened and persuaded Ronnie to stop. Launius may well have killed Nash & Diles had Lind not been there. As it turns out, Ron Launius was far more dangerous than I initially thought.

          Eddie Nash was not the only drug connection in town but he was the biggest. Everybody who was involved in drugs and or drug trafficking knew who Eddie Nash was. The people on Wonderland Avenue knew who Eddie Nash was long before they met John Holmes.

          It’s my opinion that they never planned on robbing Eddie Nash and this is the reason why:
          John Holmes needed the Wonderland gang & the Wonderland gang needed John Holmes. Holmes associated with the gang to feed his cocaine habit. The Wonderland gang were heroin addicts & Nash would become their main supplier via John Holmes.

          Tracy McCourt testified that “china white” aka heroin was hard to come by and there wasn’t a lot of it around. This is the reason they kept Holmes around. Sure they may have humiliated him and thought he was a complete joke but they needed him.

          This arrangement they set up with Holmes & Nash (ferrying stolen merchandise and cash in exchange for heroin) had been going on some 4 to 6 months prior to the murders. They could have robbed Nash right after befriending Holmes but they didn’t because Nash was their main supplier of Heroin and most importantly this was EDDIE NASH.

          It was only after the issue with the antique guns that things got out of hand. When Billy Deverell gave Holmes the money to get the antique guns out of hock for lack of a better word, Holmes instead used that money to buy more drugs so of course Nash wasn’t going to give the guns back. Holmes solution to getting the guns back? Rob Eddie Nash.

          I think Billy was so pissed off at Holmes he didn’t care Tracy McCourt I believe was naive about the matter. Ron Launius I believe had serious reservations about this as did David Lind. McCourt would testify that everybody except Billy and himself had backed out. Launius deferred to Linds opinion. David Lind testified ‘he didn’t like it” Contrary to Linds testimony that he didn’t know it was Nash they were robbing, clearly he did. I think both Lind & Launius knew this wasn’t just your run of the mill residential robbery.

          Whatever ultimately caused the Wonderland gang to go over the cliff so to speak will never be known. What we do know is Holmes played both sides against each other and the results were catastrophic!!!

          Okay, I’m done now.

        • cjfinister@charter.net 12:32 am on July 3, 2014 Permalink

          Thank you. So, you feel that Nash was the ONLY heroin supplier in Los Angeles and this is why Ron Launius allowed him to live? I can’t even begin to sort the logic in this. Rob a man, maybe kill a man about guns/money . . . . and then stop because he’s your dealer? The ONLY dealer? I think they knew very well who he was and were high when they did it. Didn’t John have to go to Nash’s house three (3) times to make sure the door was still unlocked because everyone in Wonderland was slammed and couldn’t get up for the morning invasion? Scary stuff.

          On Wed, Jul 2, 2014 at 10:51 PM, Wonderland1981 – The Wonderland Murders wrote:

          localarts commented: “Yeah, I think Nils Grevillius said Sharon told him it was pieces of bone and brain matter that covered his hair. According to David Lind, Ron Launius had a knife to Diles throat and started to cut him but Lind intervened and persuaded Ronnie to stop. Laun”

        • criticextraordinaire 9:08 am on July 4, 2014 Permalink

          I think John’s wife said that a mob guy ended up dead in her house and a prominent LAPD cop made the body disappear for her too.

        • CynFin 9:54 pm on July 6, 2014 Permalink

          Is John’s wife credible? Or . . . crazy?

        • criticextraordinaire 7:11 pm on July 7, 2014 Permalink

          Oh I think she’s credible. If only she had saved some of the bone fragments and brain matter in that gold-plated foot locker of John’s that she ultimately burned.

    • Mark C 7:47 am on July 1, 2014 Permalink | Reply

      Today is the day 33 years ago. Nash and could be Holmes revenge if you buy the story Ronnie & Billy was mean to Holmes.
      Personal I think Holmes was too busy taking very good care of Holmes own personal greed to care about what others said.
      The excuse’s started to come out after he was in jail and sober up,

    • localarts 8:40 am on July 1, 2014 Permalink | Reply

      No matter how you look at this, everything leads back to John Holmes.

    • Mark C 6:24 pm on July 1, 2014 Permalink | Reply

      I think you right localarts, Any way you look at it the road keep coming directly back to Holmes himself.
      Not he did all the killing’s himself without help. Swing the pipe? Just myself & only today because this 33 years ago today. I sure don’t want start World War 3 on here not my goal, everybody welcome to there own opinion’s respectfully , But I think he took swing or two or he would been laying there with the Wonderland Gang for everybody to find. I like story they made him walk part the way back to his car or phone booth covered in blood. That sound just like what Nash and/or Greg would do to him after they even found him wearing jewelry that was stolen only day or 2 before from The Nash.
      He had to been a major player in this sad event.
      Nash goon’s could not get access to Wonderland home without Holmes help, Really I am surprised Holmes was not put out of his misery with Wonderland Gang. That my main reason they allowed him to live. If they allow him walk away after open the door what would stop him from calling police, that story don’t make any sense to myself. Just like Holmes every action really happened got 3 or more lye’s to figure out trying to find out the real truth.
      I often wonder if The Nash don’t sneak on here and read little bit, Be great track down a IP Address directly back to The Nash, That make my day.

      • localarts 8:20 pm on July 1, 2014 Permalink | Reply

        “I often wonder if The Nash don’t sneak on here and read little bit, Be great track down a IP Address directly back to The Nash, That make my day”
        LOL. I bet Eddie is lying on his sofa in Tarzana in his snuggie, a tv tray and a Mac Book pro and reading all of our post’s!

    • localarts 11:45 am on July 7, 2014 Permalink | Reply

      “Is John’s wife credible? Or . . . crazy?” It depends on who you talk to. I myself never believed Holmes killed anybody until it was reveled that Sharon told James Cox in private that she believed John committed at least one of the murders himself. Sharon made that statement in 2002, over 20 years after the fact. There was nothing for her to gain by lying about this and almost everybody we know to be associated with the slayings was dead by then. You have to understand, Sharon stood face to face with John within an hour or so of the murders and she knew him better than anybody.

      I’ve always suspected that Sharon knew more than she ever let on.

    • Jill C. Nelson 8:33 am on July 8, 2014 Permalink | Reply

      Sharon may or may not have known more than she let on. The problem with Sharon’s credibility is that she made contrasting statements over the years — from admitting to detectives that she did not have any knowledge about what had transpired at the Wonderland house (in 1981), to a story where John crawled directly into bed with bloody clothes the morning following the murders (in 1988). There is the infamous “bathtub confession” account in which she described to filmmaker Cass Paley (in 1998) how John had taken a bath in her home the morning of the murders and told her how he’d been forced to go to the Wonderland house by Nash and his thugs and watch (depicted in the Wonderland movie). Sharon shared a different version of events when she described to the press in 1988 that within the comfort of his bath several days after the murders, John confided the sequences of events to her. In that version, there is no mention made of Holmes coming to her home on July 1st.

      Slightly off topic: Sharon said in 1998 that no one had known Holmes had a wife until she put it out to the press in 1988 after John’s passing. In July 1981, after John’s arrest, Sharon was interviewed by the L.A. Times and disclosed their marriage, though she could have forgotten about this disclosure through the passage of time. In 1988, staff reporter Sharon Bernstein wrote an article for the Los Angeles Herald Examiner titled ‘When the ‘king’ of adult died, the truth died with Him.’ In the article, Cher Vinarde (Holmes) is interviewed. She stated how she and Sharon had first found out about one another in 1981 after John’s arrest and that she “kept house” for Holmes for ten years. Vinarde purposely kept a low profile then, and throughout the years. However, you might want to consider approaching her for your book, John. I don’t know if she’d want to participate, but I believe she would make an interesting and fresh addition.

      • John 2:55 pm on July 8, 2014 Permalink | Reply

        In my chapter “True Lies” I outline and discuss all of the contradictions and revisionist history made by Sharon, Dawn, Thorson and Holmes. It’s getting to be a long chapter. But, as attorney Earl Hanson said “We will never know the whole truth”. Touch’e !!

        • CynFin 8:19 pm on July 8, 2014 Permalink

          What does Sharon’s bio look like? I understand that she was a nurse, married John prior to his porn fame and possibly his addictions. Was Sharon a drug addict? Did she continue her nursing career? Did they have children together? Did John have children? Sharon never remarried?

        • John 1:20 pm on July 9, 2014 Permalink

          Cyn,
          Sharon’s obit is on the blog-

          http://wonderland1981.wordpress.com/2013/08/09/the-obituary-for-sharon-holmes/

          She was just your average person, who happened to marry John when they were young. Dawn talks a lot about her in her book, Road to Wonderland and Jill in her book, LIfe Measure in Inches. Sharon worked hard as a nurse, probably never got over John Holmes … I really don’t think she ever dated again either. No kids, but they tried at one point and she had a miscarriage in the mid 60s.

        • CynFin 2:24 pm on July 11, 2014 Permalink

          Thank you.

      • localarts 4:54 pm on July 8, 2014 Permalink | Reply

        Everything is open to speculation unless we know it to be a proven fact. Third party stories, hearsay, he said she said, all have to be taken into account depending on the credibility of the source. What motive did the source have for making so & so allegations? Some things are obvious others are not.

        As a consultant on the movie “Wonderland” Sharon Holmes broke down several times according to director James Cox. Why did Sharon break down? I cannot interpret her emotional state of mind but it probably had something to do with her deceased ex husband’s involvement in the facilitation & likely participation in four counts of capital murder.

        Sharon had tolerated and may have profited from her husband’s “life’s work” for the better part of a decade so I doubt she broke out in tears over that. Wonderland took everything to another level in their relationship. Sharon could tolerate the porn but this was different.

        Jill, I’ve never read any of your books but what excerpts I have read, seem to be well researched and delivered with an unbiased opinion. That’s something I really appreciate.

      • criticextraordinaire 6:55 pm on July 10, 2014 Permalink | Reply

        Jill, the Holmes marriage indeed was hardly a secret. Back in 1976 I had a college buddy who claimed to know porn stars. He told us that Johnny Wadd was a married man who managed an apartment building on the side when he wasn’t out there laying pipe.

        He also claimed that the girls told him that a lot of the massive wad shots back then were a mix of confectioners sugar and Carnation Evaporated Milk. We thought he was talking out of his ass and making up all that stuff. Turns out he was spot-on about John C. Holmes.

        I still wonder about the sugar-and-mlk concoction. :-O

        • Jill C. Nelson 11:10 am on July 11, 2014 Permalink

          I found that story funny, Critic, but do wonder how widespread the Holmes’s marriage truly was. Maybe Sharon didn’t realize that people knew. According to Sharon, apart from her best friend Nancy who worked with Sharon at the pediatrician’s office and the doctor who employed Sharon, she claimed that she told no one about their marriage (during the 1970’s). Naturally, many of their tenants at the apartment complex knew, as did Sharon’s parents. (Sharon’s father didn’t find out about John’s vocation until 1975 when he drove past a marquee with John’s name on it.) Joel Sussman knew John was married because John told Joel. Bob Chinn told Jennifer and I that during a road trip to Vegas one time early on, John mentioned to Bob that he was married. Bob thought it was bs. Imagine his surprise when Bob found out it was true many years later.

          Bob and Sharon met in person at a Los Angeles hotel when they were both interviewed for “When X Ruled the World” in 2004. Sharon stopped Bob when she recognized him going through the lobby and they had a chat. He was very surprised and pleased to finally meet her. Bob recalled Sharon told him how John had always admired and respected Bob and that he’d considered Bob a decent man in a sketchy business. I doubt he used that word specifically to describe the business, but I’d have to agree with John on that one. Bob Chinn is a quality human being.

    • Jill C. Nelson 7:01 am on July 9, 2014 Permalink | Reply

      Thank you very much, localarts. ;-)

  • John 8:28 am on June 23, 2014 Permalink | Reply
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    Just A Few Things… All Wonderland 

    Hi, just a few things today, before I lose focus and forget to post them.

    The link to the Georgiana Steele-Waller free e-book is finally here. She was the young lady, who like Julia Negron was a 60s model at first, married a music star… and in the 80s, had a brush with Wonderland. In her case, it was one of Nash’s cronies, she says…. Read more here. A creepy story.

    CJ sends this…

    The italics are mine. I was glad that I was quite close in my original Occam’s Razor research assessment of that neighborhood at least (all things being equal, the hypothesis with the fewest assumptions is the answer):

    I lived on Princeton Avenue (in Stockton) when the Launius family was there. In fact, my family still keeps the place and remains in contact with old friends and neighbors. The neighborhood was designed for “Baby Boomers” (I read that too) returning from WWII. Small homes (approx. 1200 square feet), large yards for children and really not much else. The “Country Club” area is much more opulent, but boating (1,000 miles of waterways) and golfing is close so we took advantage of the proximity. We were moderate/low income families. The Launius family rented a home on our street for maybe . . . one year. I will check with a friend to confirm this. They were three beautiful boys (blonde/blue-eyed) and so out-of-control (Ron, Rickey and Dave). A loud, raucous . . . . crazy, screaming family! Now, that I find that “Wonderland” is a real story about real people that I actually knew, my head is spinning! How do people get this messed up?

    I am in touch with CJ as a source for the book. Stay tuned.

    Oh! and speaking of Julia Negron… this is the man who went with her to Wonderland that fateful afternoon. He is a musician/songwriter. He co-wrote the sad tune “You Are So Beautiful” with Dennis Wilson and Billy Preston. Nice royalties, I bet. Small world when it comes to Wonderland. Bruce is still around, and doing musical theater or something these days, and quite successful, so I hope he’s not mad that I outed him.

    Rock on 1977!!

     

     
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