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  • John 8:19 am on May 22, 2013 Permalink | Reply
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    The Other Two Assailants At Wonderland 

    At this web site by CJ, which looks long abandoned… there is a Wonderland movie review, a bit of a back-story and some other info gleaned from a few interviews that he did. He is a DJ or something in L.A., I could not find much info about “CJ”. Please post in the comments if you know. Localarts was the first to tell me about “Danny”… obviously a brother of Greg Diles. If Nash called in mob help, then maybe Danny, Joe McLean and another goon helped out that night. There would have been no remorse in a payback hit like this. It would have been and was…brutal. Mob guys are known to saw up their old friends into little pieces…so.

    Read on…

    Bill Margold Phone Interview – 04/25/2005

    I called the 11 year-old number I had in my BladeRunner Organizer and lo ‘n behold it didn’t work worth a damn. So I splurged a whole 2 minutes and typed his name into Google, clicked his site and sent him email, reminding him of our glorious day in 1994 with Danyl Cheeks. He called me immediately and we chatted for a while. He didn’t remember me, but it didn’t matter. We had a lot to talk about.

    “The problem with Eddie Nash is the son-of-a-bitch won’t die!” he told me in his raspy Jewish voice. “Ok, what concerns me are the ‘unidentified others’ who participated in the murders. There were two others besides Diles and Holmes. Know who they were?”

    “A guy named ‘Danny’ and…hey you’re right.” I admitted, overlooking the obvious. “How did I overlook those two loose ends?”

    “Easy. They were never identified. They were brought in by the mob.” Margold said.

    I loved all of the Starwood stories posted in the comments section. Keep 'em coming!

    I loved all of the Starwood stories posted in the comments section. Keep ‘em coming!

    Further Reading:  

    CJ’s Insane Asylum – Finding Wonderland

     
    • dreamweaverjenn 8:47 am on May 22, 2013 Permalink | Reply

      I guess it still blows my mind that Nash was acquitted AND he’s still alive.

    • krislyn 9:07 am on May 22, 2013 Permalink | Reply

      You know what they say. Evil never dies lol.

      • localarts 10:15 am on May 22, 2013 Permalink | Reply

        LOL. Eddie may never die. Ed’s power was far reaching at that time but once the feds got involved it was pretty much over.

      • dreamweaverjenn 4:57 pm on May 22, 2013 Permalink | Reply

        Lol, there will be cockroaches, twinkies, my grandmother, and Eddie.

    • krislyn 2:02 pm on May 22, 2013 Permalink | Reply

      who is Danny? i know greg and samuel but is danny a alias for samuel? i must have skipped something.

      the name is familiar because in the movie ward asks holmes in the hotel room “did u see danny or greg in the car” and holes replied ” i didnt see greg i didnt see eddie when i left. ” i didnt know who he was referencing i assumed danny was the alias for samuel. so hes a real guy?

      • John 2:22 pm on May 22, 2013 Permalink | Reply

        I know! Danny was mentioned. I can only assume it was straight from the poluce file or Samuel went by Danny. Samuel died in 2002.

    • krislyn 2:43 pm on May 22, 2013 Permalink | Reply

      also the guy in the beginning david lind talks about walking into the house. cherokee sent me walking. …. then later everyone wanted to know who tje “throw betamax ” guy was . in the movie before the robbery at nash billy tells mccourt honk twice if u see anyine he says got it boss or whatever. in the wonderland script i posted all three of these characters were named cherokee. maybe cherokee wasnt a real person just a character filling in different blanks of people in the movie???? and so tracy gets no credits rights cause of that?

      • John 3:07 pm on May 22, 2013 Permalink | Reply

        I wish they had consulted with Tracy McCourt for the movie in addition to Dawn and Sharon. I think he could have helped with character development on the gang. That was the big gripe by critics per se “a lot of empty people who are dead”. Also, the film would hace been better without Val Kilmer. That guy Cumberbatch would have been better LOL

      • localarts 5:06 pm on May 22, 2013 Permalink | Reply

        There was another guy that used to frequent 8763, his name was Mike. Tracy McCourt makes references to this in his testimony. As a matter of fact “Mike” was one of the few people allowed in after the robbery and that’s only because Ronnie new the guy quite well. Mike could be “Cherokee” but I’ve always thought it was Tracy McCourt.

    • krislyn 2:44 pm on May 22, 2013 Permalink | Reply

      just a thought

    • krislyn 4:06 pm on May 22, 2013 Permalink | Reply

      I think Val did a goodjob. he did good as Jim M as well. the funny thing i read that Val kept a diary of his wpnderland experience even things he obtained through his research it is noted he never showed it publicly. i sent a fb message asking to see it or if it exists lol yet no replies

    • dreamweaverjenn 4:56 pm on May 22, 2013 Permalink | Reply

      I read somewhere he turned it into some kind of exhibit? Not sure. I thought Val did ok as Holmes but was awesome as Jim Morrison. I have to google “Cumberbatch”. I’m a little slow on the uptake sometimes, lol.

    • Bonnie Brae 5:19 pm on May 22, 2013 Permalink | Reply

      check out the first 15 minutes – it’s just so gripping!

    • krislyn 7:06 pm on May 22, 2013 Permalink | Reply

      the manson murders were just crazy. manson practically gre up in confinement jail was nothing to him. i think some people how a brainwashing power and even so still no excuse to kill. this was a solved case and these people admit they were brainwashed and said they deserve to b in jail.

    • krislyn 7:09 pm on May 22, 2013 Permalink | Reply

      yeah i watched the movie in subtitles..each of those characters is named”cherokee” prob a character created to be various people

    • krislyn 7:14 pm on May 22, 2013 Permalink | Reply

      someone said Rons corpse is in the opening credits . . . what part?

    • krislyn 7:18 pm on May 22, 2013 Permalink | Reply

      how do i post a pic i took from my camera?

  • John 8:32 am on May 21, 2013 Permalink | Reply
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    Horrifying Hollywood Murders Video & RIP Ray Manzarek 

    Thanks to you guys for posting this video. I had not seen it in a while so I am posting it so that nobody misses it in the comments below. It’s a classic and features our bro Scott Michaels from findadeath.com and Dearly Departed Hollywood Tours. If you look closely… scary images… You have to freeze frame certain parts. Warning: Graphic.

    Also, RIP Ray Manzarek!  He was 74 years old. He and The Doors had 15 Top 100 hits back in the day.

    Thanks all~

     

     
    • krislyn 9:37 am on May 21, 2013 Permalink | Reply

      im very sad about Ray. i have followed the Doors for years. i was going to a concert on August 10 i hope Robby will perform.

    • Bonnie Brae 12:50 pm on May 21, 2013 Permalink | Reply

      There is Wonderland Documentary that briefly mentions a book “Four on the Floor” written by the detectives that worked on the case. But you have to do a little digging to find that the book was never published. Makes you wonder why. Did they just give up? Did they just not care? Or were they possibly threatened by Eddie Nash? hmmmm

      • Bonnie Brae 12:50 pm on May 21, 2013 Permalink | Reply

        Ray Passing sucks big time.

      • John 1:24 pm on May 21, 2013 Permalink | Reply

        I don’t know if their book was that great… I think they would run out of material to fill an entire book. They could have self-published it, but yes… many questions.

        • localarts 3:33 pm on May 21, 2013 Permalink

          Quite the contrary. From what I understand, Lange & Souza could never get the book published for political reasons that to this day, they will not give an answer. It’s my opinion that what I and everybody else knows about this crime and all the players involved is just scratching the surface. I believe Lange & Souza were ready to drop names. Eddie Nash’s ties to law enforcement and the fire department were far reaching as well as political figures. I’ve know about Four On The Floor for a long time.

          If that book ever hit the shelves it would be the shit! And the shit would hit the fan..Big time!

    • krislyn 1:44 pm on May 21, 2013 Permalink | Reply

      Robert Souza who does writing today i ran into him 12 years ago when i was really into the Oj simpson trial. i was trying to get to Tom Lange and got Robert instead. I didnt have a strong background in Wonderland at the time otherwise i would asked better questions. i was just looking for research books. i asked where can i fund this book he stated it wasnt published i asked why he said him snd lange and some others had differences in the rights and stuff. it was easier to pull the plug on it than deal w business matters. nasucally money was the reason it didnt hit stands. like they say…money is the root of all evil.

    • krislyn 4:11 pm on May 21, 2013 Permalink | Reply

      also the book was written soon after the murders .. since then new facts pictures and confessionswere brought to light. if anythung that book would be boring i think.

    • krislyn 4:14 pm on May 21, 2013 Permalink | Reply

      veey interesting localarts. i find it fascinating that facts are the same and perceptions are different. that was back in 2000 as well people didnt want to incriminate themselves or put themselves in danger

      i wpnder what eddies thoughts were on the movie .

    • localarts 6:06 pm on May 21, 2013 Permalink | Reply

      Think about this for a moment: The OJ Simpson murder case was by far more high profile. Lange and Vannatter wrote a book about that case and it was published; Evidence Dismissed. Yet, they can’t get a book they wrote about four individuals beaten to death in a drug den published?? I think Four On The Floor went beyond just the core murders so to speek, It’s my opinion a lot of people higher up the ladder were going to get dirty.

      • scabiesoftherat 11:54 pm on May 21, 2013 Permalink | Reply

        It could be too that everyone wrote a book about the oj case. Except for Furman’s, not many did all that well. I think they were publicized well, but no one wanted to really hear all the excuses as to why Simpson got away with murder. It could be that the publishers didn’t want another book by the detective who can’t solve a case or get a conviction. It’s bad PR. (Btw, if you do get Lange and Vannater’s book, get the audiobook. It has the actual tape-recorded interview they did the day after the murders and the tape recorded phone calls of simpson in the bronco. Both are very, very telling.) The Wonderland murders scream to have someone come in and really nail the story down but, as we have seen, the principals are dying off. Or at least have someone make a cogent documentary about it,…like they did with “West Of Memphis” (Not as Indie as all that maybe, but you get my point…..and it should have nothing to do With the E! True Hollywood Story….at all!!) We only get little blurbs here and there if we only look in the right places. If Lange and Souza’s book was on par with say, “In Cold Blood” or “Helter Skelter”, it would be a damn shame to have it just sit there. But it would have to go much further than a simple police chronicle…which is probably why Lange and Vannater’s book didn’t do so hot and Furhman’s did. Same with the book he wrote after that that had put away Michael Skakel. It wasn’t just a cop’s point of view. He looked at both of them like an author would look at a project. It would have to be a novel and not just personal account. Anyway. That’s my two cents that just turned into ten.

        By the by, has everyone seen the British version of the E! True Hollywood Story about Wonderland? I think it was actually on the BEEB. Lemme see if I can find it…(‘old on, then…)

        Thar she spouts!

        http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=2nIhOO9vhDI

        There are factual problems with this show, be forewarned. They have him leaving to go to Wonderland while he’s in the middle of making a porn. When I hit those “facts’, I just laugh because you just consider the source of who just said them. It’s a good 45 minutes of topical fodder in re: Wonderland. Enjoy.

        • localarts 10:21 am on May 22, 2013 Permalink

          Four On The Floor Was Written in 83 or 84 If I remember. I still think it has to do with the potential back lash of corruption

    • John W 6:12 pm on May 21, 2013 Permalink | Reply

      Great thread. You guys know more than I do. Keep it going gents!

    • krislyn 9:38 pm on May 21, 2013 Permalink | Reply

      Yeah u r right very interesting. And i wonfer who they would have exploited if the book wash published.hmmmm

    • Anthony 12:29 am on May 22, 2013 Permalink | Reply

      “Welcome to the jungle: The definitive oral history of ’80s metal” (5/21/13)

      “VICKY HAMILTON (ex-Geffen A&R, manager): I cocktail-waitressed at the Starwood when I first moved out from Indiana. That was right when that whole thing went down with Eddie Nash and the murders and Laurel Canyon. [In 1981, Starwood owner and reputed gangster Eddie Nash was charged in connection with the bludgeoning deaths of four people at their home at 8763 Wonderland Avenue in Laurel Canyon. Nash’s friend, porn star John Holmes, allegedly helped organize the robbery in an effort to pay back a drug debt to the leader of a crime syndicate.] I can’t remember if it was the FBI or what, but they pulled bags of quaaludes from the safe at the Starwood. I lost my job because they closed down the club. [Nash was acquitted of planning the murders but pled guilty to related charges.]“

    • Anthony 12:31 am on May 22, 2013 Permalink | Reply

      “Liberace’s Boy Toy: Scott Thorson’s Strange Life Story Turned Into HBO Movie” (5/21/13)

      http://www.theledger.com/article/20130521/ENT/305215005

    • Anthony 12:47 am on May 22, 2013 Permalink | Reply

      Deltona massacre

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deltona_massacre

      “The Deltona massacre (commonly referred to as the “Xbox Murders”) was a residential murder which occurred on August 6, 2004, at a home on Telford Lane in Deltona, Florida, United States. Four men broke into the home and bludgeoned six victims to death. The four attackers apparently inspired by the movie Wonderland, tortured and killed four men, two women, and a dog inside the home, making it the bloodiest mass murder in Volusia County history.”

  • John 3:18 pm on May 20, 2013 Permalink | Reply  

    May 20 – Birthday Correction! 

    Wonderland movie (credit sheet?)

    Wonderland movie (credit sheet?)

    I was mistaken since I read the number wrong on the marriage cert. Susan’s birthday is actually today, May 20. Happy birthday, honey!

    Car trouble today, so not able to make much of a post… enjoy your week!

    Need to get some t-shirts made using that image!

    Need to get some t-shirts made using that image!

    The Italian movie box? I like when they photoshop heads on to other bodies.

    The Italian movie box? I like when they photoshop heads onto other bodies. That’s lame.

    Billy and Ron weighed 150 lbs. Ron might scare me, but Billy is going down!

    Billy and Ron weighed 150 lbs. Ron might scare me, but Billy is going down! (or at least Tim Blake Nelson is)

     
    • dreamweaverjenn 5:06 pm on May 20, 2013 Permalink | Reply

      Happy Birthday Susan. Wherever you are, I hope there is peace in your life.

    • John W 5:13 pm on May 20, 2013 Permalink | Reply

      She does okay.. And if there is a bright spot in all this, it is her life. She has a beautiful fam, and has a sailboat! She keeps in touch with a few of Ronnie’s relatives.

      • localarts 6:49 pm on May 20, 2013 Permalink | Reply

        Probably stays in touch with Rick, believes he live in AZ now. Would have been great if Susan would have sued Holmes for physical & emotional harm and won. With a judgment attached to the estate of Holmes any money generated would be going to Sue! As a matter of fact any revenue generate with Holmes likeness would be going to Susan more than likely.

      • dreamweaverjenn 7:07 pm on May 20, 2013 Permalink | Reply

        That is wonderful to hear. I am glad she was able to move forward through this horrible thing.

    • krislyn 6:48 pm on May 20, 2013 Permalink | Reply

      hi John. i got really into my LA Doors research. i didnt make it to Wondrland but i have an interview set up on Saturday so i plan to go after.

      im sure everyone on this site has seen 20 Top Horrifying Hollywood Murders. #14 was Wonderland Murders. do a still frame on 2 min23 seconds(2:23) . i wonder which girl this is Joy probably. its her corpse in the morgue face forward to the side kinda gruesome but not bloody. its hard to get good spot on your phone it flashes pretty fast so be slow

      • localarts 6:51 pm on May 20, 2013 Permalink | Reply

        Krislyn, I thought Thought Wonderland Murders came in at No: 7 ?

      • dreamweaverjenn 7:14 pm on May 20, 2013 Permalink | Reply

        I forgot about this video! I was thinking the girl at 2:23 might be Barbara? Only because Joy’s poor head was just so smashed in. Don’t know. Hard to say.

    • krislyn 6:51 pm on May 20, 2013 Permalink | Reply

    • krislyn 6:56 pm on May 20, 2013 Permalink | Reply

      yes you are right. i meant it was part 14 of the you tube list. you are right it was #7. i think its joy cause tje rught side of the face was bashed along with the other 3 . but her eye is bashedand i think her autopsy said extensive damage to facial eye area but i could be wrong

    • Bonnie Brae 7:03 pm on May 20, 2013 Permalink | Reply

      I can’t stop thinking about the Wonderland book and the part about Ray Manzareks solo album. Sugarman sure can pain a picture and capture a person. I’m sad that when the book gets made into a movie Ray won’t be able to act as consultant. Fingers crossed for Iggy Pop living another 20 years.

    • localarts 7:07 pm on May 20, 2013 Permalink | Reply

      I believe this is Barbara. I’ve seen Joy’s and you can kinda tell your looking at a 46 yo woman. No disrespect intended.

    • krislyn 7:12 pm on May 20, 2013 Permalink | Reply

      yes Danny Sugarman book about Wonderland Ave is very good very detailed on charecteristics of a person and all he was when started wa an originall doors groupie. he had alot of knowledge . i know Ray lived on Wonderland while john and Robby lived on lookout mountain. that was mid 60s.. Dannys life on wonderland avenue mid 70s was wow. you really see the evolution of that area.
      the entire area was known for sex drugs and rock n roll. i wonder who the druggie den drama is in the hills today.

      • Bonnie Brae 7:29 pm on May 20, 2013 Permalink | Reply

        I know all the valley and McArthur Park connects. But I’m clueless who is slanging up in the hills. Bet they got that good china too.

    • krislyn 7:14 pm on May 20, 2013 Permalink | Reply

      yeah i thought Barbara was tje next flas scene its at the same min. 2:23 not in the white robe thats Joy but its seconds after the first face pic. i thought that was Barbara because the damage to the left side of her head. but im not good picking that out .

    • krislyn 7:39 pm on May 20, 2013 Permalink | Reply

      i think it is Barbara. the flash of the autopsy report hat comes seconds later says barbaras name. that flash scene both pics at 2:23is Barbara i think.

    • localarts 7:44 pm on May 20, 2013 Permalink | Reply

      It is Barbara.

      • John 11:43 am on May 21, 2013 Permalink | Reply

        It’s a shame that Barbara’s only few scenes in the movie showing her juicing up the H, and having sex with Lind. Kind of lame character development… we want more, we want more!

        • localarts 5:10 pm on May 21, 2013 Permalink

          I’m sure her family was a paled at how she was portrayed.

        • dreamweaverjenn 5:16 pm on May 21, 2013 Permalink

          I agree with you localarts. Her family was probably sick over it if any of them could even stand to see it at all. Sad.

    • krislyn 7:49 pm on May 20, 2013 Permalink | Reply

      I watched those 20 hollywood murders. The one that gets me is Bob Crane death. DNA testing wasnt done at that time and had the same blood type in the suspects car. that one you knew who did it and got away with it. i read alot on that murder.

    • localarts 7:56 pm on May 20, 2013 Permalink | Reply

      I remember being shocked when I learned what Bob Crane did when he wasn’t filming hogans heroes!

      • John 11:40 am on May 21, 2013 Permalink | Reply

        Yes, indeed. I recommend the movie “Auto Focus” starring Greg Kinnear as Bob. Great effin film!! It’s usually in the $2 bin at Target or WalMart or you might find it cheap on Amazon.

    • krislyn 7:59 pm on May 20, 2013 Permalink | Reply

      yeah me too. being famous is one thing but his obsessions were lil weird.

    • krislyn 8:00 pm on May 20, 2013 Permalink | Reply

      have a lot of women ok. i see that. but the rest was wow

      • dreamweaverjenn 8:42 pm on May 20, 2013 Permalink | Reply

        I guess I have to research him now, lol. I heard of him and that he was murdered but I don’t know much beyond that. Sometimes you just never know what goes on behind closed doors.

  • John 2:02 pm on May 17, 2013 Permalink | Reply
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    Other Addresses For David Lind & Tracy McCourt 

    In the past, I had posted a photo of Dave’s last known address in the city where he died. This one below is in Oregon though, and so it goes… not sure if he lived here with a girlfriend, friends or by himself. The last I heard his granddaughter was looking for info on him. He was estranged from his immediate family, I’m told. I guess that I would be too if I got my girlfriend killed like that.

    There are also rumors that his involvement as an informant goes waaay beyond Wonderland… although he probably really is dead. I doubt he dropped out of sight into the witness protection program in 1995. However, his remains are interred at an impressive niche at a cemetery in Sonoma County, CA…which is strangely nowhere close to where he died.

    Oh well, for what it’s worth. To see the other house in Eureka, use the search button: “Lind Address”.

    RIP Bounty Hunter!

    RIP Bounty Hunter!

    Colorado Springs, CO

    Tracy McCourt’s other last known address in Colorado Springs, CO

     
    • krislyn 3:03 pm on May 17, 2013 Permalink | Reply

      Hello. FYI. Sharon memorial service will be held this Saturday in oregon. she passed in October. RIP. Dawn Sciller posted it on ther FB page shes easy to find. Thanks.

      • John 4:51 pm on May 17, 2013 Permalink | Reply

        Sharon had a tough life. RIP baby.

    • dreamweaverjenn 3:24 pm on May 17, 2013 Permalink | Reply

      It looks like Sonoma county is near sacramento which I thought was one of his old stomping grounds?

      • John 4:52 pm on May 17, 2013 Permalink | Reply

        Yes, but I am not sure how he arranged that…. did a girlfriend arrange his resting place. I doubt the dude had a will and stuff. Oh well. RIP.

        • dreamweaverjenn 7:42 pm on May 17, 2013 Permalink

          No, I’m guessing he didn’t. But hey, stranger things have happened.

    • localarts 4:04 pm on May 17, 2013 Permalink | Reply

      I wonder if McCourt got a chance to see Wonderland before he died.

      • John 4:50 pm on May 17, 2013 Permalink | Reply

        Well, if Tracy saw it then he was probably miffed at having one sorry line in the film. Reader, pixiecat, told me that one of Joy’s daughters is a big westie socialite in L.A. and some magazine did a piece on her big new stylish house.

        • dreamweaverjenn 7:43 pm on May 17, 2013 Permalink

          Wow. I would love to see her and her new house.

        • localarts 9:43 pm on May 17, 2013 Permalink

          I can almost see McCourt sitting back watching and going no, that not how it happened. This is what happened and so on.

    • localarts 9:41 pm on May 17, 2013 Permalink | Reply

      Yeah, I think Their names are Marla & Michelle. I wouldn’t dare mention Holmes name in front of them.

      • John 6:16 pm on May 18, 2013 Permalink | Reply

        Yes. I think Joy’s ex is still kickin… His law practice is all over Google searches. “Melvyn/Melvin Miller”

    • localarts 10:54 pm on May 18, 2013 Permalink | Reply

      At times, I think I almost know too much.. kinda of spoils it for everybody. One 2 many tonight!

    • localarts 6:39 pm on May 20, 2013 Permalink | Reply

      A lot of credit should go to John for starting this forum, it’s been great. You don’t have to worry about another poster trying to beat you over the head with a 13″ prosthetic dildo when you say somthing negative about Holmes, even though it’s the truth. I’ll say it again, this site makes the IMDB Wonderland forum look bush league.

    • localarts 7:44 pm on May 20, 2013 Permalink | Reply

      John is the man!

      • John 11:42 am on May 21, 2013 Permalink | Reply

        Pixiecat was a great researcher… I wish she would come back to visit us at the blog. I guess she has been busy with other stuff.

  • John 9:20 am on May 17, 2013 Permalink | Reply
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    More Photos & John At 1986 Adult Video Convention 

    Date and movie unknown. Early 80s after trial?

    Date and movie unknown. Early 80s after trial?

    Classic stuff

    Classic stuff

    When you zoom in on his badge, it says 1986 Consumer Electronics Show or something like that.

    When you zoom in on his badge, it says 1986 Consumer Electronics Show or something like that.

    Repost. Barbara - Sophomore at Cordova High School, 1974. Pretty girl.

    Repost. Barbara Richardson – Sophomore at Cordova High School, 1974. Pretty girl. A relative tells me she was the apple of everyone’s eye. I believe it.

    wonderland27H-1

     

     
    • localarts 11:01 am on May 17, 2013 Permalink | Reply

      Barbara was attractive. Clearly at this point aids was ravaging Holmes body. Holmes said he thought he was being made an example of for the life he had led. Maybe he was right?

    • localarts 11:05 am on May 17, 2013 Permalink | Reply

      Movie is from the 70′s. China Cat or jade pussycat. This is before things went south for Mr. Wadd.

      • dreamweaverjenn 6:56 am on May 18, 2013 Permalink | Reply

        One of the movies they were filming in Boogie Nights looks like this. Except Mark Wahlberg is hot and Holmes is not…….

    • krislyn 11:27 am on May 17, 2013 Permalink | Reply

      Ill be in Laurel Canyon tomorrow doing more Doors research. i always do my wonderland drive for the hell of it.

      • John 4:53 pm on May 17, 2013 Permalink | Reply

        Snap some pics if you can get away with it! Thanks. I doubt that I have seen a recent pic of the house lately….

      • dreamweaverjenn 7:44 pm on May 17, 2013 Permalink | Reply

        A little jealous, lol. If I ever do get to CA I want to see that entire area.

    • Bobby 11:37 am on May 17, 2013 Permalink | Reply

      Poor Barbara. ‘Wrong place at the wrong time” couldn’t have been any truer for her… and to think she got screwed out of a life whilst Lind screwed a hooker behind her back in Sacramento. I keep reading conflicting reports, was it her or Billy that answered the door the night they were murdered? It makes sense that it was Billy and he was quickly ushered up to his room to recover the loot before he and Joy met their demise. Just don’t understand why they didn’t just go to the balcony and peer around the corner to see who was at the stairwell. Things could’ve been so different if they hadn’t been so complacent. Just goes to show how very little they thought of Holmes that they couldn’t have imagined he had the chutzpah to pull off anything like what transpired that night.

      • John 4:55 pm on May 17, 2013 Permalink | Reply

        A kid once posted that his dad knew Barb in high school, was in love with her. David Lind pulled a gun on him once a few yrs after high school at some pool hall parking lot. The kid stated his dad still had a pic of Barbara looking beautiful sitting in a field of flowers. Sad, very sad.

      • dreamweaverjenn 7:49 pm on May 17, 2013 Permalink | Reply

        I have also read it was Barbara and then read it was Billy. I have wondered how David Lind could say she was the love of his life, his butterfly and go screw the hooker in Sacramento. What a guy. I agree with you. They probably figured that they could handle Holmes by himself and just didn’t expect that he would be able to pull that off.

    • localarts 1:49 pm on May 17, 2013 Permalink | Reply

      I’ve often thought the same thing, Deverell may have walked out on the balcony and peered around the corner and the killers may have been standing under the overhang just inside the garage. Once he went back in, Holmes probably waived the killers up.

      • John 2:06 pm on May 17, 2013 Permalink | Reply

        I bet they were hiding under the patio! Very sneaky.

        • dreamweaverjenn 7:50 pm on May 17, 2013 Permalink

          They probably were. Gives me the willies….Would Billy have been able to see them from the balcony?

      • Bobby 9:18 am on May 18, 2013 Permalink | Reply

        Yeah this makes the most sense, if in fact Deverell did go to the balcony that night but now I’m starting to doubt it as I think the police video shows the balcony door’s blind/window being shut. From all accounts it seems the balcony was frequently used to throw drugs down to customers but maybe that particular night they were too lazy to go out there. Perhaps it was Barbara who made the fatal mistake of letting John and the thugs in? Maybe she wasn’t familiar with the “customer buzz-in protocol” or nobody in this bumbling gang of thieves informed her not to let anyone in. The UK-TV Wonderland Murders doco that’s on YouTube states that Barbara was on the couch watching TV whist everyone else was asleep. Don’t recall a TV in the lounge from the police video though. This doco could just be poorly researched but if it is in fact correct one could surmise that she was taken out first which then awakened Billy (who knows, maybe he was on the nod atop his bed clothed only in his jeans?) who then came barrelling down the stairwell only to promptly backpedal and beg for his life once he realised what was going down. Neighbours said they heard cries for mercy so there might’ve been a small window of time for him to retrieve the stolen goods for them all the while hoping that they’d spare his life. Just terrifying! You’d think the Wonderland gang would’ve been armed and ready but it seems that wasn’t the case at all. Was their arsenal stolen by Nash’s thugs or by dopehead looters the next day or had they already disposed of anything that might tie them to the robbery? Things would’ve been so different if Ron or Billy had a gun under their pillow and quickly opened fire on the assailants. Guess Nash’s thugs anticipated a possible armed retaliation hence why they were so fast to take everyone out. It must’ve been a bum rush of one thug per room. Also did somebody steal Billy and Joy’s VCR considering the TV was tuned to Channel 3 which is an input channel for such a device? Man oh man, so many unanswered questions..(!!)

        • John 2:31 pm on May 20, 2013 Permalink

          Yes, Nash’s goons probably stole whatever guns were in the house, but I think they probably had a few laying around. Sadly, Ronnie was no help and looks like he died in his sleep! I wonder what VHS tape that Billy and Joy were watching?

    • krislyn 6:58 pm on May 17, 2013 Permalink | Reply

      i take a pic each time i go which is monthly. lol looks just how it does on google street maps. ill get off the car again. the porch on the back is what i want to see. was the a door to tje outside from Rons room? in tje movie it dead but i dont think in the real house. eddie nash house is totally different than it was. but ill get some shots. steve marin lives up at the top of Wonderland .i know that lol.

      • John W 7:09 pm on May 17, 2013 Permalink | Reply

        Thank you so much, Krislyn. I would like to post any nrw pics of Wonderland or Eddie’s old house if that’s okay. I think it would be great to tour the Eddie house! “this is where Greg Diles was lying down handcuffed”…. This is where Holmes was beaten up, thrown against the wall”

        • localarts 9:47 pm on May 17, 2013 Permalink

          Yeah, Updated pics of Dona Lola would be nice.

    • scabiesoftherat 1:18 am on May 18, 2013 Permalink | Reply

      Sorry. But that stupid ass tux looks so idiotic on him. Blood red tie with a white-highlighted-with-blue frilly shirt. He looks like a clown. What a moron.

      • dreamweaverjenn 6:54 am on May 18, 2013 Permalink | Reply

        lol, he does!

      • localarts 11:16 am on May 18, 2013 Permalink | Reply

        Well, it’s not like were talking about the Academy Awards Show. It’s some porno convention so I’m not suprised by Holmes outfit.

    • localarts 7:14 pm on May 20, 2013 Permalink | Reply

      Yes, the antique guns were recovered by the LAPD during one their raids, I remember reading somthing about that.

    • localarts 10:06 pm on May 21, 2013 Permalink | Reply

      “Yes, Nash’s goons probably stole whatever guns were in the house, but I think they probably had a few laying around. Sadly, Ronnie was no help and looks like he died in his sleep! I wonder what VHS tape that Billy and Joy were watching?”

      Would have been ironic if they were watching “Tell them Johnny Wadd is here” Just sayin.

  • John 1:48 pm on May 16, 2013 Permalink | Reply
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    Ron Jeremy Has Something To Say… 

    I stumbled across this funny picture and great quote. Ron is a classic era porn star too. However, he put his money away, and is now quite rich, even owning some penthouses in Manhattan. I want to see the documentary about him. He liked the film and said that it was not a hit piece on him.

    Photo Credit to some Reddit user.

    CLICK TO ENLARGE. Photo Credit:  Reddit

     
    • localarts 6:08 pm on May 16, 2013 Permalink | Reply

      I think Jeremy slammed Holmes too. Thats pretty bad because Ron always has nothing but nice things to say about his co workers.

    • Anthony 10:26 pm on May 16, 2013 Permalink | Reply

      “THE BALLAD OF LITTLE JOHN”

      http://filmmakermagazine.com/archives/issues/fall1999/little_john.php

      “We interviewed [Sharon Holmes, John’s widow] for about seven-and-a-half hours, and at the very end of the interview she told us that right after John split with Dawn [former porn star Misty Dawn] for Florida, she didn’t hear from them for a year. In their little two-bedroom apartment in Glendale – he had the second bedroom as his office, which she had never entered – John had a footlocker which he had gold-leafed, and he called it his “retirement fund”. She finally took it out, cracked the locks, and spent the next eight hours burning everything inside of it. It implicated politicians, movie stars, musicians, all sorts of people that John had things to do with. It probably could have made both of them very wealthy. She just decided to get rid of it all. In the end, in darkness, she looked into the camera and said, “Now everyone out there can rest easy.”

      • dreamweaverjenn 7:38 pm on May 17, 2013 Permalink | Reply

        Hi Anthony, Dawn was his young girlfriend. He had not yet hooked up with Misty Dawn yet. And thank God Sharon was the kind of person she was. I am praying she is at peace. <3 Thank you for sharing all these things! They are very, very interesting! :)

    • Anthony 10:35 pm on May 16, 2013 Permalink | Reply

      ‘Drug’ Seized in Eddie Nash Arrest Is a Mothball : No Charges Are Filed Against Man Who Was Acquitted in 1981 Killings of 4 in Laurel Canyon (1995)

      http://articles.latimes.com/1995-09-26/local/me-50181_1_eddie-nash

      • John W 7:11 pm on May 17, 2013 Permalink | Reply

        Thanks Anthony!

        • Anthony 8:31 pm on May 17, 2013 Permalink

          No problem, I enjoy the research.

        • Anthony 8:38 pm on May 17, 2013 Permalink

          I was just thinking, considering how many people are on FB, there must be some relatives of The Wonderland gang with accounts. Maybe a nephew, cousin, niece, etc. Unfortunately there’s really no way to know.

      • dreamweaverjenn 8:05 pm on May 17, 2013 Permalink | Reply

        I am loving all these articles. You could probably make 50 movies just from Eddie’s life alone! Wow.

    • Anthony 10:38 pm on May 16, 2013 Permalink | Reply

      Trial Begins for 2 in Grisly Laurel Canyon Murders of Mid-1981 : Courts: In unusual proceeding, separate juries hear evidence for Nasrallah and Diles in one courtroom. (March 20, 1990)

      http://articles.latimes.com/1990-03-21/local/me-687_1_laurel-canyon-drug

      • dreamweaverjenn 7:41 pm on May 17, 2013 Permalink | Reply

        I wonder if people would have sold their seats in the courtroom for $200? I would have bought one probably!

    • Anthony 10:47 pm on May 16, 2013 Permalink | Reply

      Holmes Told Author He Never Knew Killers’ Identities (1988)

      http://articles.latimes.com/1988-03-15/local/me-1078_1_laurie-holmes

      • localarts 10:52 am on May 17, 2013 Permalink | Reply

        Holmes obviously didn’t want to incriminate himself.

  • John 12:40 pm on May 16, 2013 Permalink | Reply
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    Drug Environment During And After Vietnam War 

    Thanks to reader, James, for sharing this info. Great stuff. Again, if you have not seen the posts on Ron’s Air Force military career, etc, please use the search button. Gracias!

    I am also trying to hook up an interview with one of Ron’s close relatives… stay tuned, kids!

    ************

    I have no empirical research other than historical military research that indicates that the drugs opium, heroin, amytal and seconal were readily available in Thailand, Laos and Vietnam. Ron served at the Ubon Airbase, the home of America’s major secret bombing campaign of 1966-67.
    “drugs were available to U.S. forces. In 1967 opium cost $1.00 while morphine went for $5.00 per vial. Tablets of Binoctal, an addictive drug consisting of Amytal and Seconal, were available in tablet form from Vietnamese children at from $1.00 to $5.00 for twenty tablets. Although technically a prescription drug, Binoctal was available over the counter at almost any Vietnamese pharmacy for about eight piasters for twenty tablets. Twenty tablets, consumed at once, was a fatal dose. One soldier had died from Binoctal use, and three near-fatalities had been reported. “O.J.’s” were opium joints.”
    The soldiers were affected by the drug differently in the US than in South East Asia. Why? Because in the US heroin was generally used in intravenously because it wasn’t “readily available” in the US. 20% of US GI’s came home having been regular users, 15% of that group quit upon coming home and an additional 3% ceased use with treatment. Ron was one of the 1%-2% that remained hooked upon return. He never received treatment because they were just becoming aware of the problem in 1966-67. In fact they ignored the drug problem over there largely until after 1967.

    Ron’s addiction changed radically when he returned home because it wasn’t so readily available in the US as it was in South East Asia and the drug is used intravenously in the US. There is a massive difference between smoking heroin VS intravenous drug use. If you smoke opium or heroin, you can kick easier than when you use heroin intravenously. So Ron was forced to steal and cross borders to keep his intensified intravenous addiction alive.

     
    • Jenn 7:32 pm on May 16, 2013 Permalink | Reply

      This is a sad topic for me. My daddy was a marine in Vietnam. Mom said he came home all messed up. He had seen so many horrific things too and that effected him. He had a very bad heroin addiction. I am a bit confused because I didn’t see him use drugs as a kid but I knew of some of the crazy things that happened in our lives and even as a little girl, I had an inkling as to why. That being said, for the most part, he was a wonderful father to me. He wasn’t a good husband but he was always a good father. I believe now that even if he wasn’t getting crazy high off the heroin and sometimes coke, he needed it to even function normally. We were seperated from him when I was 6 and I didn’t see him again until 1995 when I was pregnant for my daughter. Then in 2002 he was dead. He od’d. I felt sad because then I knew I would never get to see him again (until later anyway) and mom said he died doing what he did and getting higher than high. I guess I believe in every addict there are good things. I guess I want to believe that about Ronnie and the rest of them had some good in them too. I remember the wonderful times I had with my daddy and all of the nice things he did and said.

      • John 12:26 pm on May 17, 2013 Permalink | Reply

        My uncle was in Vietnam too. He would work from time to time but never recovered from it and did drugs until the day he died of a heart attack in 1990.

        • dreamweaverjenn 12:35 pm on May 17, 2013 Permalink

          It’s sad. It doesn’t seem like they are doing anything more to help our veterans of Iraq/Afghanistan either. I’m sorry about your uncle.

    • Bobby 11:16 am on May 17, 2013 Permalink | Reply

      John, If you manage to hook up this interview with Ron’s relative see if you can get them to send you some photos of Ron in his later years. It may be too much to ask, but hey, you just never know eh? Sure would be cool to see something other than that 70′s mug shot and that horrid autopsy photo. Will be great to finally get some definitive info from somebody who actually knew this elusive and very intriguing fella. All the best with the interview man.. we can’t wait!

      • John 12:27 pm on May 17, 2013 Permalink | Reply

        I will! Yes, the only other photo I have of him is that darkened newspaper clipping that was likely a yearbook picture. He had that starchy thin hair that no amount of hairspray could hold in place!

      • John 1:07 pm on May 17, 2013 Permalink | Reply

        Thanks. I hope it works out. I had e-mailed with a few other relatives of Barbara once, but nothing panned out. They were her younger cousins. At 18, Barb was already going down the rocky road with drugs, biker type guys, etc. Sad tale. Her mother and grandma are still alive.

        • Bobby 9:31 am on May 18, 2013 Permalink

          This is a long shot but you just never know..
          Whilst reading the comments for the 2nd crime scene video -http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=paRSucZyQlc
          I came across this post by someone called “dekum6826″:
          “What’s disturbing to me is that my mom still has the pink chair from that place..It was given to my dad after the place was cleaned out..He was a friend of Billy’s and saw him a week before the murders”
          This person could just be a BS attention seeker but on the off chance that he’s legit it might be worth shooting him a message.

        • John 2:28 pm on May 20, 2013 Permalink

          Yes, Bobby… I will do that! Thanks.

  • John 12:25 pm on May 16, 2013 Permalink | Reply  

    The Criminal History of Ronnie Lee Launius 

    Reblogged from Wonderland1981 - Strange and Bizarre History:

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    This is the murder attributed to Ron Launius and which was brought up quite often in the Wonderland murder news clippings during 1981.

    The article below is quite difficult to read due to the crummy zoom tool... but the bottom line is this guy, Carroll Evan Sherrill, killed Gary Moore in 1973 and Ron helped him dispose of the body. Carroll and Ronnie had taken some bad dope.

    Read more… 446 more words

    This is a reblog from a March post... where Ronnie allegedly helped a friend dispose of a body... you can only find this type of stuff here! If you have not seen this post before, then this is also a reminder for you to browse all of the older posts. It may take you some time, but it's worth it. Thanks for visiting and making Wonderland a better place!
     
  • John 9:10 am on May 16, 2013 Permalink | Reply
    Tags: 8763 wonderland avenue, LMFAO, wonderland house, wonderland tour   

    2009 Residents Give Tour of Wonderland House 

    I guess they do the song “I’m Sexy & I Know It”…seems appropriate since John Holmes partied there also. They are known as LMFAO. The music group obviously lived in the house back in 2009… maybe they still do? Ronnie is spinning in his grave for pete’s sake! The neighbors on that street had it nice and quiet for 30 years.

    Enjoy.

    Here they are cooking in the kitchen (hey, don’t leave that fridge door open, again ;-)

     
    • localarts 10:02 am on May 16, 2013 Permalink | Reply

      Should be called Dumb Hollywood. Kitchen cabinets are from 81.

      • Anthony 8:47 pm on May 16, 2013 Permalink | Reply

        I could just imagine the look on Ron Launius’s face if he knew these guys were living in his house.

    • localarts 10:53 am on May 17, 2013 Permalink | Reply

      Ron would probably punch both of these guy’s in the stomach like he did Holmes.

  • John 7:58 am on May 15, 2013 Permalink | Reply
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    Ed Nash Sends Holmes A Letter In Jail 

    This is strange. From jail, Nash sends Holmes a letter after his sentencing for having all of that cocaine in his house. He urges John to “tell the truth”, which to Holmes means “make up another story” and continue the ruse… pathetic. What he tells the grand jury to obtain his freedom is unknown and sealed. But, it would be the second group of lies, and probably the same set of lies that appear in his later autobiography. I recently saw that book at a used bookstore for like $2. I did not even pick it up, let alone look at it. It’s fiction. I should have moved it to the fiction section.

    At his trial, John’s defense was that he was taken to the house “under duress” with a gun to his head. But in his book, “Porn King”, he says that he was kept at another house while the killings occurred, then he went to Wonderland later only to find the victims and their heads flattened, nothing left but slime or whatever the hell he said in his bullshit book.

    Ok, I’m done for the day. Have at it!

    That LMFAO Wonderland house video was strange. I wonder if those jackasses actually live there? scroll down the blog if you have not seen it yet.

    UPI Article. Nov. 23, 1982.

    UPI Article. Nov. 23, 1982.

     
    • krislyn 8:59 am on May 15, 2013 Permalink | Reply

      yeah. what scum. how people still consider him a hero is beyond me . Attourney Coen stated that at the Grand Jury , Holmes said nothing of relevance to the murders . my questioned was why did he agree to to tje Grand Jury if he already spent 110 days in contempt for it. he didnt have to at that point. maybe to scare Nash?. anyways good stuff!

      • localarts 10:16 am on May 15, 2013 Permalink | Reply

        His pornography “groupies” for lack of a better word, will never accept anything less than what they believed him to be which was an awesome human being. Sounds crazy but it’s very true and very sad..

        • Jenn 12:32 pm on May 15, 2013 Permalink

          Yeah, people like my ex who absolutely idolize this scum. And for what? I thought he looked gross naked myself but that’s just my opinion.

        • John 3:12 pm on May 15, 2013 Permalink

          He is infamous, at least. I guess his fans or whatever do not truly understand the extent of his involvement. It’s similar, to a much less extent, for how the younger neo-hippies worship Che Guevara, that professor/student killing, piece of shit murderer! Karma’s a bitch and like Holmes, he got his comeuppance.

      • Jenn 12:31 pm on May 15, 2013 Permalink | Reply

        I agree with you. He is, was, and will always be a p.o.s. to me. My ex husband used to say that he was the next John Holmes and I was like “yeah, ummm, ok.” Just because somebody has a car doesn’t mean they know how to drive! Lol. Needless to say, the relationship was extremely short lived.

        • John W 3:22 pm on May 16, 2013 Permalink

          Well, John Holmes is a huge icon…So much so, that even his surname conjurs up a grin for most men out there who have seen a few pornos. I doubt that the phrase and others like “how’s it hangin Holmes?” would exist today without him hahaa

      • John 1:03 pm on May 15, 2013 Permalink | Reply

        We bash a lot of people on this site, not just Holmes and his wife. So…. we also acknowledge that the other players involved in Wonderland were not heroes or angels either, but deserved better than that…especially the 3 women.

        • localarts 1:12 pm on May 15, 2013 Permalink

          Yep no doubt about it, they were thieves, dealers and addict’s. Business would have carried on as usual on July 1 had they not befriended Johnny Wadd Holmes. It just astounds me Holmes could stand there and call them “dirt” after what he did.

          To quote Sharon Holmes: “Conscience….not something he had”

        • patrick 3:29 pm on May 15, 2013 Permalink

          i would say barbara richardson was probably the only relative innocent in this affair. holmes was indeed the amoral catalyst in the disaster but even the victims chose their fate in a sense by the lives they chose to lead and the company they kept. susan lanius and joy miller were older women who must have known very well what their men were into and, possibly, some of the unsavory things they did. richardson..what i’ve read about her at least…seems to have been a young lost soul who fell in with a bad man. she strikes me as a tragic case of “wrong time, wrong place”..

        • John 4:54 pm on May 15, 2013 Permalink

          I paraphrase but what she said is so true…”When people hit rock bottom, they can usually dig deep down and find something to build on, John didn’t have anything to find anymore” –Sharon Holmes

    • krislyn 9:04 am on May 15, 2013 Permalink | Reply

      is the house for rent right now? we should ask thr lanlord to rent it for one night on june 30. for like $100 and have a small open tour for wonderland fanatics. :)

      • Jenn 12:32 pm on May 15, 2013 Permalink | Reply

        That would be kinda cool. ;)

        • localarts 1:03 pm on May 15, 2013 Permalink

          Yeah, that would be neat. All the regulars on this forum could meet there on June 28, get up at 7:45 am on June 29 and make the drive to Nash’s place on Dona Lona then arrive back at Wonderland at 10:00 am and party Just like they did almost 32 years ago.

        • John 4:40 pm on May 15, 2013 Permalink

          If only we could! In high school I bought my uncle’s old 76 Ford Granada. The stolen car used by the gang was a 75. Same body style though…we could have all fit in the front/back seat! Seats 8 comfortably!

      • dreamweaverjenn 7:59 pm on May 16, 2013 Permalink | Reply

        John, I too was priveleged enough to own a lovely Ford Granada of the same era! Mine was a two door. It had been my grandmother’s and yes, it seated quite a crowd comfortably.

    • localarts 5:14 pm on May 15, 2013 Permalink | Reply

      John remember that 76 Granada would have to be running on fumes. Such was the case when Tracy McCourt weaved through the hollywood hills to Dona Lola. Ed Nash didn’t know it at the time but part of the loot was used to fill up that 75 Granada and buy the gang a carton of smoke’s.

    • krislyn 9:49 pm on May 15, 2013 Permalink | Reply

      i was born in 1980. I dont know why i get so into this. i research a lot of topics. if i get into it enough ill read a million books about it. this story intrigues me for some reason.

    • scabiesoftherat 11:29 pm on May 15, 2013 Permalink | Reply

      Holmes was like a car wreck. For as unattractive as he was as a human being, there is just something morbidly curious about it all. Gotta figure, in the Wonderland DVD set, they included that film called, “Wadd.” A whole hour and a half movie about his life and career…which is kinda mind-boggling if you think about it. One movie makes him out to be slime and the movie included with it almost celebrates his dismal existence…of course, I ended up watching it…because it’s like watching a slow-motion car wreck. You just can’t look away. Even the woman doctor that gave him his psychological evaluation was smiling when remembering him…saying he was so nice and charming…and then adding, “he, of course, was a sociopath to the core.” Which is it, doc?

      I’m with you, Jenn. I think he looks gross naked….or clothed. And what’s with the pinky ring? Geez. If this guy ever did one good thing in his entire life, I would almost give’em some grace. He left his wife, took his schlong on the road, founf an underage girl, stole like a thief, sold his girlfriend to slimey criminals to pay debts (and beat her when she got back home), got AIDS and still made movies while knowing he had it

      But it can be said that he did do that nice commercial for Gatorade. That was a plus, huh?

      http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=n_DHEp6aPaE

    • krislyn 10:47 am on May 16, 2013 Permalink | Reply

      I read post below. lol if LMFAO was living in that house last year lol i tried breaking in the back to take a picture. went there alot lol they priobably thought i was a crazy stalker lol

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