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  • John 9:42 am on July 8, 2014 Permalink | Reply
    Tags: , miami, motel row,   

    BeeGees Capture Street Imagery Of Fabulous Motel Row 

    We hit 500,000 page views this week ;-)

    In July, 1981 – John Holmes and his girl, Dawn, had fled to Miami, ending up at the Fountainhead Inn. During this time it was considered not-so Fabulous Motel Row. It’s heyday was over…. well today, I found this video for the BeeGees, only released 10 years ago, and it has background street life and neon signs of Motel Row from a few years before Holmes was there…”Most of these motels are now closed…” etc. A great time capsule!  Anyways, you get to see what it looked like at night in 1978.

    Background:

    A music video was made for the song in 1978, but not shown to the public until 2004. It features the brothers singing the song in a darkened studio, layered over background video filmed while driving along “Motel Row” on Collins Avenue, a three-mile motel strip in what is now Sunny Isles Beach, Florida. Most of these motels are now closed or demolished, including several whose names are reminiscent of Las Vegas resorts (Castaways, Desert Inn, Sahara, Golden Nugget).

     
    • localarts 9:00 am on July 10, 2014 Permalink | Reply

      It took me a long to realize how great these guys were. “Nights on Broadway” is a great song as well.

      • Jacob Bartle 9:05 am on July 13, 2014 Permalink | Reply

        Eddie Nash died July 4th (two weeks ago) surprised no news here.

        • John 9:49 am on July 28, 2014 Permalink

          Jacob, thanks. Do you have a link to share? I could find nothing.

        • localarts 3:47 pm on July 29, 2014 Permalink

          Wrong! Eddie is the Prince of Darkness…..he will never die.

    • London 4:57 pm on July 12, 2014 Permalink | Reply

      Hi John. you are very close. i grew up a couple of houses up the street from where this happened. I was almost 12 when it occurred. everybody in the house was pretty cool to me. use to give me rides to the country store or pick me up if i was walking.

      • John 9:43 am on July 28, 2014 Permalink | Reply

        Thanks London. Please tell some stories if you can? Thanks.

    • localarts 4:45 pm on July 16, 2014 Permalink | Reply

      “We hit 500,000 page views this week” Congratulations John. Did you ever think this site would attract such an audience?

  • John 4:56 pm on July 2, 2014 Permalink | Reply
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    Chuck Negron Performs @ July 4th Festival 07/05/81 

    A few days before this concert, he was at Wonderland.

    This was at Long Beach. Other groups which performed at this event were the Beach Boys and Pablo Cruise.

    This one’s for Joy!!

     
    • Bobby 8:28 am on July 4, 2014 Permalink | Reply

      No doubt Chuck would’ve sped over to the Wonderland house as soon as he got paid for that gig! ;p
      So, does anybody know if the Three Dog Night record at the crime scene was a gift from Chuck (possibly as an exchange for a discount on dope) or was it already in Joy & Billy’s collection? Such a weird coincidence that it was the ‘one’ (boom-boom!) sleeve that ended up getting splattered in blood! What a morbid collector’s item akin to the album Lennon signed for Mark Chapman. Chuck & Julia must’ve freaked when they learnt about that – really spooky synchronicity considering they nearly went over to the house on that fateful night!

      • Bobby 8:39 am on July 4, 2014 Permalink | Reply

        Er, slight addendum: Guess he wasn’t speeding over to the Wonderland house as I just realised that this concert was a few days after the murders… BUT, had this been before.. LOL – I think y’know what I was getting at… :)
        Hmm, wonder who he started scoring off at this stage?…

        • criticextraordinaire 5:54 pm on July 4, 2014 Permalink

          Yeah I kinda wonder that too. The Wonderland Gang’s Wikipedia page describes them as “most influential and feared cocaine distributorship of its time in Los Angeles”. I’ve got to think the next few months saw shortages for customers and turf wars by other dealers trying to carve up the territory.

    • scabiesoftherat 9:22 pm on July 4, 2014 Permalink | Reply

      This is a really stellar find, John. Great post. I can’t help but wonder what was going through Chuck’s mind while he was performing here. He seems completely at ease up there. He had to have known about it at this point. It was all over the news. If it were me, I would be scanning the wings looking for cops who were waiting to talk to me about my affiliation with such a questionable residence…but not Chuck, man! He’s out there killin’ it in his own right!…and, not to mention, he’s on the same bill with Dennis “i-lived-with-Manson” Wilson of the Beach Boys. The only thing that could make that bill better would be to have Mark Lindsay do a set. Great video. It’s now in my favorites list. (Geez. I never would have known that was a Three Dog Night album next to the couch had it not been for this blog.) That makes this performance even more serendipitous. Just a side observation about this video? You know it’s 1981 when the lead singer of a pop music combo comes out wearing a striped polo shirt that happens to be tucked in,…AND you know it’s 1981 when a girl in the crowd pulls a pack of Marlboro 100s out her cleavage. You can get a ticket for BOTH of those offenses nowadays.

      • John 2:57 pm on July 8, 2014 Permalink | Reply

        I tried to see if he had track marks on his arms, but no luck. He is 6’3 or 4….so in this vid he must weight a buck fifty! Maybe less.

  • John 2:06 pm on July 1, 2014 Permalink | Reply  

    “We have never heard the whole truth [about the killings] and we never will hear the whole truth,” Attorney Earl Hanson told The Times a month after Holmes died of AIDS in 1988. Later that year, two other men were charged with the murders.

    So far, Earl has been correct. But, we’ve found out a lot more since then.

    Earl died in April of 2000. RIP to ALL this day.

     
    • Mark C 6:28 pm on July 1, 2014 Permalink | Reply

      So true post there John.

    • localarts 8:25 pm on July 1, 2014 Permalink | Reply

      That’s another tragedy in and of itself.

    • John 10:42 am on July 2, 2014 Permalink | Reply

      Ed loved Holmes “like a brother”. Like Cain and Abel, he was betrayed by him. Eddie loved John so much, that he didn’t even have him killed, and he could have very easily. I honestly think that Ed’s only murders, allegedly, were the Wonderland gang. I don’t think he had ever killed, or conspired to kill… before, or since.

      At the present, I’m a bit surprised that the only people still walking around are Ed and Susan.

    • localarts 11:54 am on July 2, 2014 Permalink | Reply

      Eddie was quoted as saying “John Holmes was nothing but a liar and a thief” that was some years after the slayings.

      • John 11:59 am on July 2, 2014 Permalink | Reply

        Coming from an honor-culture, the proud Palestinian once boasted to a writer (and I paraphrase): “Thorson was good to have around the house, cleaning things, doing errands, because he was gay. I often had many college girls at the house, so I had a gay chef too” (meaning, that they wouldn’t mess with the girls… he needed that reassurance because he was a very jealous man and you don’t fuck with the Nash!!!!) LOL

    • localarts 1:54 pm on July 2, 2014 Permalink | Reply

      Eddie was obviously a smart guy but his downfall was his relationship with Holmes.

      • Bobby 9:42 am on July 4, 2014 Permalink | Reply

        And his relationship with coke. Drug dealers tend to get a Caesar complex – mix that with coke fuelled paranoia/rage and it’s a recipe for disaster.

  • John 9:04 am on July 1, 2014 Permalink | Reply
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    Eddie Nash Filed Civil Rights Lawsuit Against L.A. In 2007 

    In the lawsuit, Ed was suing three district attorneys of L.A. for violation of his civil rights. But I couldn’t really find too much on this case, or if it was thrown out, settled, etc.

    Under this law, a citizen can sue the individuals involved who worked for the state, but not the state itself. A company is listed as plaintiff as well, so must be something business-related?

    I will reach out to his civil attorney in the case to ask if I can interview Ed sometime. Through his lawyer, Eddie told Jill who wrote the Holmes book that he would “sleep on it” but then said “No” on the following Monday. I would really like to do a chapter on his early life, more than anything.

    The details:

    Nature of Suit: Civil Rights: Other
    Cause of Action: 42:1983 Civil Rights Act

    Every person who under color of any statute, ordinance, regulation, custom, or usage, of any State or Territory or the District of Columbia, subjects, or causes to be subjected, any citizen of the United States or other person within the jurisdiction thereof to the deprivation of any rights, privileges, or immunities secured by the Constitution and laws, shall be liable to the party injured in an action at law, Suit in equity, or other proper proceeding for redress, except that in any action brought against a judicial officer for an act or omission taken in such officer’s judicial capacity, injunctive relief shall not be granted unless a declaratory decree was violated or declaratory relief was unavailable.  For the purposes of this section, any Act of Congress applicable exclusively to the District of Columbia shall be considered to be a statute of the District of Columbia.

    The number of cases that have been brought under section 1983 has dramatically increased since 1961 when the Supreme Court decided Monroe v. Pape.  In Monroe, the Supreme Court held that a police officer was acting “under color of state law” even though his actions violated state law.  This was the first case in which the Supreme Court allowed liability to attach where a government official acted outside the scope of the authority granted to him by state law.

    Here’s his civil case summary.

     
    • Mark C 6:57 pm on July 1, 2014 Permalink | Reply

      Nash really did live The American Dream story pretty good himself. It be great to get his true “early life” story and that all. I am not trying to reduce what he did or they say he did to family of Wonderland Victims or anybody else,
      He may be a little bitter about the Wonderland part of his life because he lost a very lot not including the money during that part of his life. Going to jail is no cake walk for anybody. It be something I would not be too eager to talk about myself. But Eddie got where Judge was impressed so much with him that he allowed Eddie out of jail early to get the proper medical treatment he needed to save his life. With out proper medical treatment Eddie could be right now 6 foot under like so many in this case.

      • RAW DOPE BMORE 5:19 pm on July 13, 2014 Permalink | Reply

        ive interviewed nash believe it or not, i got his number on 411.com i paid $2.00 but what the hell i mean this is the “NASH” for heavens sake. but i spoke with his daughter first she was very pleasant and i asked her if she could give him my number and ask her to call and low and behold nomore than 10 minutes later he called under a blocked number and i was very excited, he told me about when they arrested him and that he volunteered in mentoring drug programs all throughout california and that its hard getting old and that hes been clean since his last jail stint and that john holmes was a 2 faced lying rat who was not to be trusted and that he was a coward and he used him to drive his female friends home when he was finish with them and that holmes did so willingly for a single rock of base.and he also said that hes just living in infamy now and thats not him anymore and that if he had to do it over again he wouldnt have ever befriended john holmes and this was about 3 years ago when i called his home oh btw i asked about greg diles and also about life in palestine and he got really edgy and said he might call me back later he was tired and he got his number changed in about a week but luckily i got to meet one of my icons and i thank god for that alot. i guess he probably thought i was paparazzi or the feds but im just a fan of the way he ruled cali with a iron fist and how much money he accumilated without ever blowing his cover as a kingpin he was making more legit money than illegal money my hero

    • criticextraordinaire 9:03 am on July 4, 2014 Permalink | Reply

      An interview with Eddie would be a huge, massive score. I would not expect to get any revelations about the Wonderland hit per se, but he certainly could shine a light on some of the now-deceased players, and perhaps offer some never-before-heard details of the assault on him and Gregory Diles. Your blog takes a very professional approach to the whole story, so maybe Eddie will see your invitation as a way to finally tell his story to somebody who will not sensationalize it or twist it.

      The only version of that story that we hear is the narrative provided by Lind, whose credibility is, uh, *questionable*. We need to hear the other side of the story.

      Would also be great to get Eddie’s take on what it was like to hang out and party with Johnny Wadd, and did he have access to any of John’s costars..

      • Bobby 9:56 am on July 4, 2014 Permalink | Reply

        Couldn’t agree more! It would be great to hear Nash chime in on other aspects of his life unrelated to the murders. I’m guessing he wouldn’t be interested in talking to anyone but who knows, if he was made aware that an objective book was being written about the case he might agree to an interview – sans any deathbed-seque confession of course! Not holding my breath though.

  • John 2:42 pm on June 26, 2014 Permalink | Reply
    Tags: john holmes death   

    The Last Stop For John Holmes 

    John Holmes died on March 13, 1988. You can read about the VA hospital here at the blog. It’s now a part-time movie set, and the other half of the hospital is out-patient only for veterans.

    According to his death certificate:

    Two days later, John’s mortal remains were cremated here at the Chapel of the Pines Crematory, just west of downtown L.A. His ashes were spread at sea just off the coast of Oxnard, CA.

    This nice domed structure looks like an observatory, and was built in 1903. Although their website claims “the final resting place for the cremains for a number of notable persons”, most of them are obscure (to me) old timey actors from before 1950. The only name that jumped out at me was Stephen Stucker. He played Johnny in the Airplane movies. Stephen died of AIDS in 1986, two years before John Holmes.

    1605 South Catalina Street, Los Angeles

    1605 South Catalina Street, Los Angeles

    John was probably delivered through this service entrance to the receiving area/back door. Note the creepy looking smokestacks.

    Service entrance

    Service entrance

     
    • mark c 3:09 pm on June 26, 2014 Permalink | Reply

      If them smokestacks could talk they sure have lot to say.

      • John 8:03 am on June 27, 2014 Permalink | Reply

        I guess this is where Laurie Holmes made the final inspection of John, seeing his remains all “intact”, and allowing the mortician to proceed with the cremation. John did not want it in a jar on a shelf, at some rich pervert’s house.

        • criticextraordinaire 7:58 am on June 28, 2014 Permalink

          “The Last Viewing of John C. Holmes”… would make a nice title for a PBS production about the King. His story should be on the “American Masters” series.

    • localarts 10:15 am on June 30, 2014 Permalink | Reply

      On this date, way way back when. John Holmes would trade-in his crack pipe for a lead pipe and the rest is history..

      • John 11:29 am on June 30, 2014 Permalink | Reply

        At about this time, 33 years ago (9:26am PST), Lind had just left the Wonderland house, Ron was back with Susan at the house chilling, and I guess Joy and Billy were fencing goods to Fat Howard. I guess Barbara was reading her book. In about 5 hours, Holmes would be picked up at his answering service in Santa Monica by Diles and company, and hauled over to Nash’s (or he went to Nash’s on his own, if you like that theory). Whichever, but some shit was about to go down in the city of angels.

    • localarts 12:01 pm on June 30, 2014 Permalink | Reply

      I like the latter theory. Remember, Chris Cox showed up at Eddies that afternoon (after the robbery) and saw Holmes standing by the bar. I completely agree with Nils ” Holmes didn’t need a whole lot of persuading” If Diles “beat the hell out of him” as Thorson stated, John Holmes would not have showed up at the hotel with just blood shoot eyes as Dawn would later say.

      While many of the investigators who worked or were in some fashion close to this case believe Holmes murdered Ron Launius, I believe Holmes actually murdered one of the women. Holmes was just too frightened of Ron Launius, even if he was passed out. Besides, John Holmes had a history of violence against women.

      • criticextraordinaire 8:05 pm on June 30, 2014 Permalink | Reply

        I doubt that John killed anybody, except maybe for those two guys that it is alleged that he accidentally killed while filming a scene in a gay loop.

    • localarts 10:06 pm on June 30, 2014 Permalink | Reply

      You’re a fan, of course you believe he didn’t kill anybody.

      • CynFin 9:00 pm on July 2, 2014 Permalink | Reply

        I have so many questions. Didn’t John’s wife say that he was covered in blood and she helped him to wash bone fragments and bits of flesh from his hair in a bath the morning after the murders? Hmmm . . . seems logical to me that John got close and personal. This was NOT a shootout. Also, if Ron was such a “killer”, are there any theories about why he allowed Nash and Diles to live after the robbery? Surely, Nash was not the only drug connection in the area. Unless the gang was just so high and ego driven that they planned to go back . . . . to do it again and again? Nash and Diles should be 1981 history.

        • localarts 10:51 pm on July 2, 2014 Permalink

          Yeah, I think Nils Grevillius said Sharon told him it was pieces of bone and brain matter that covered his hair. According to David Lind, Ron Launius had a knife to Diles throat and started to cut him but Lind intervened and persuaded Ronnie to stop. Launius may well have killed Nash & Diles had Lind not been there. As it turns out, Ron Launius was far more dangerous than I initially thought.

          Eddie Nash was not the only drug connection in town but he was the biggest. Everybody who was involved in drugs and or drug trafficking knew who Eddie Nash was. The people on Wonderland Avenue knew who Eddie Nash was long before they met John Holmes.

          It’s my opinion that they never planned on robbing Eddie Nash and this is the reason why:
          John Holmes needed the Wonderland gang & the Wonderland gang needed John Holmes. Holmes associated with the gang to feed his cocaine habit. The Wonderland gang were heroin addicts & Nash would become their main supplier via John Holmes.

          Tracy McCourt testified that “china white” aka heroin was hard to come by and there wasn’t a lot of it around. This is the reason they kept Holmes around. Sure they may have humiliated him and thought he was a complete joke but they needed him.

          This arrangement they set up with Holmes & Nash (ferrying stolen merchandise and cash in exchange for heroin) had been going on some 4 to 6 months prior to the murders. They could have robbed Nash right after befriending Holmes but they didn’t because Nash was their main supplier of Heroin and most importantly this was EDDIE NASH.

          It was only after the issue with the antique guns that things got out of hand. When Billy Deverell gave Holmes the money to get the antique guns out of hock for lack of a better word, Holmes instead used that money to buy more drugs so of course Nash wasn’t going to give the guns back. Holmes solution to getting the guns back? Rob Eddie Nash.

          I think Billy was so pissed off at Holmes he didn’t care Tracy McCourt I believe was naive about the matter. Ron Launius I believe had serious reservations about this as did David Lind. McCourt would testify that everybody except Billy and himself had backed out. Launius deferred to Linds opinion. David Lind testified ‘he didn’t like it” Contrary to Linds testimony that he didn’t know it was Nash they were robbing, clearly he did. I think both Lind & Launius knew this wasn’t just your run of the mill residential robbery.

          Whatever ultimately caused the Wonderland gang to go over the cliff so to speak will never be known. What we do know is Holmes played both sides against each other and the results were catastrophic!!!

          Okay, I’m done now.

        • cjfinister@charter.net 12:32 am on July 3, 2014 Permalink

          Thank you. So, you feel that Nash was the ONLY heroin supplier in Los Angeles and this is why Ron Launius allowed him to live? I can’t even begin to sort the logic in this. Rob a man, maybe kill a man about guns/money . . . . and then stop because he’s your dealer? The ONLY dealer? I think they knew very well who he was and were high when they did it. Didn’t John have to go to Nash’s house three (3) times to make sure the door was still unlocked because everyone in Wonderland was slammed and couldn’t get up for the morning invasion? Scary stuff.

          On Wed, Jul 2, 2014 at 10:51 PM, Wonderland1981 – The Wonderland Murders wrote:

          localarts commented: “Yeah, I think Nils Grevillius said Sharon told him it was pieces of bone and brain matter that covered his hair. According to David Lind, Ron Launius had a knife to Diles throat and started to cut him but Lind intervened and persuaded Ronnie to stop. Laun”

        • criticextraordinaire 9:08 am on July 4, 2014 Permalink

          I think John’s wife said that a mob guy ended up dead in her house and a prominent LAPD cop made the body disappear for her too.

        • CynFin 9:54 pm on July 6, 2014 Permalink

          Is John’s wife credible? Or . . . crazy?

        • criticextraordinaire 7:11 pm on July 7, 2014 Permalink

          Oh I think she’s credible. If only she had saved some of the bone fragments and brain matter in that gold-plated foot locker of John’s that she ultimately burned.

    • Mark C 7:47 am on July 1, 2014 Permalink | Reply

      Today is the day 33 years ago. Nash and could be Holmes revenge if you buy the story Ronnie & Billy was mean to Holmes.
      Personal I think Holmes was too busy taking very good care of Holmes own personal greed to care about what others said.
      The excuse’s started to come out after he was in jail and sober up,

    • localarts 8:40 am on July 1, 2014 Permalink | Reply

      No matter how you look at this, everything leads back to John Holmes.

    • Mark C 6:24 pm on July 1, 2014 Permalink | Reply

      I think you right localarts, Any way you look at it the road keep coming directly back to Holmes himself.
      Not he did all the killing’s himself without help. Swing the pipe? Just myself & only today because this 33 years ago today. I sure don’t want start World War 3 on here not my goal, everybody welcome to there own opinion’s respectfully , But I think he took swing or two or he would been laying there with the Wonderland Gang for everybody to find. I like story they made him walk part the way back to his car or phone booth covered in blood. That sound just like what Nash and/or Greg would do to him after they even found him wearing jewelry that was stolen only day or 2 before from The Nash.
      He had to been a major player in this sad event.
      Nash goon’s could not get access to Wonderland home without Holmes help, Really I am surprised Holmes was not put out of his misery with Wonderland Gang. That my main reason they allowed him to live. If they allow him walk away after open the door what would stop him from calling police, that story don’t make any sense to myself. Just like Holmes every action really happened got 3 or more lye’s to figure out trying to find out the real truth.
      I often wonder if The Nash don’t sneak on here and read little bit, Be great track down a IP Address directly back to The Nash, That make my day.

      • localarts 8:20 pm on July 1, 2014 Permalink | Reply

        “I often wonder if The Nash don’t sneak on here and read little bit, Be great track down a IP Address directly back to The Nash, That make my day”
        LOL. I bet Eddie is lying on his sofa in Tarzana in his snuggie, a tv tray and a Mac Book pro and reading all of our post’s!

    • localarts 11:45 am on July 7, 2014 Permalink | Reply

      “Is John’s wife credible? Or . . . crazy?” It depends on who you talk to. I myself never believed Holmes killed anybody until it was reveled that Sharon told James Cox in private that she believed John committed at least one of the murders himself. Sharon made that statement in 2002, over 20 years after the fact. There was nothing for her to gain by lying about this and almost everybody we know to be associated with the slayings was dead by then. You have to understand, Sharon stood face to face with John within an hour or so of the murders and she knew him better than anybody.

      I’ve always suspected that Sharon knew more than she ever let on.

    • Jill C. Nelson 8:33 am on July 8, 2014 Permalink | Reply

      Sharon may or may not have known more than she let on. The problem with Sharon’s credibility is that she made contrasting statements over the years — from admitting to detectives that she did not have any knowledge about what had transpired at the Wonderland house (in 1981), to a story where John crawled directly into bed with bloody clothes the morning following the murders (in 1988). There is the infamous “bathtub confession” account in which she described to filmmaker Cass Paley (in 1998) how John had taken a bath in her home the morning of the murders and told her how he’d been forced to go to the Wonderland house by Nash and his thugs and watch (depicted in the Wonderland movie). Sharon shared a different version of events when she described to the press in 1988 that within the comfort of his bath several days after the murders, John confided the sequences of events to her. In that version, there is no mention made of Holmes coming to her home on July 1st.

      Slightly off topic: Sharon said in 1998 that no one had known Holmes had a wife until she put it out to the press in 1988 after John’s passing. In July 1981, after John’s arrest, Sharon was interviewed by the L.A. Times and disclosed their marriage, though she could have forgotten about this disclosure through the passage of time. In 1988, staff reporter Sharon Bernstein wrote an article for the Los Angeles Herald Examiner titled ‘When the ‘king’ of adult died, the truth died with Him.’ In the article, Cher Vinarde (Holmes) is interviewed. She stated how she and Sharon had first found out about one another in 1981 after John’s arrest and that she “kept house” for Holmes for ten years. Vinarde purposely kept a low profile then, and throughout the years. However, you might want to consider approaching her for your book, John. I don’t know if she’d want to participate, but I believe she would make an interesting and fresh addition.

      • John 2:55 pm on July 8, 2014 Permalink | Reply

        In my chapter “True Lies” I outline and discuss all of the contradictions and revisionist history made by Sharon, Dawn, Thorson and Holmes. It’s getting to be a long chapter. But, as attorney Earl Hanson said “We will never know the whole truth”. Touch’e !!

        • CynFin 8:19 pm on July 8, 2014 Permalink

          What does Sharon’s bio look like? I understand that she was a nurse, married John prior to his porn fame and possibly his addictions. Was Sharon a drug addict? Did she continue her nursing career? Did they have children together? Did John have children? Sharon never remarried?

        • John 1:20 pm on July 9, 2014 Permalink

          Cyn,
          Sharon’s obit is on the blog-
          http://wonderland1981.wordpress.com/2013/08/09/the-obituary-for-sharon-holmes/

          She was just your average person, who happened to marry John when they were young. Dawn talks a lot about her in her book, Road to Wonderland and Jill in her book, LIfe Measure in Inches. Sharon worked hard as a nurse, probably never got over John Holmes … I really don’t think she ever dated again either. No kids, but they tried at one point and she had a miscarriage in the mid 60s.

        • CynFin 2:24 pm on July 11, 2014 Permalink

          Thank you.

      • localarts 4:54 pm on July 8, 2014 Permalink | Reply

        Everything is open to speculation unless we know it to be a proven fact. Third party stories, hearsay, he said she said, all have to be taken into account depending on the credibility of the source. What motive did the source have for making so & so allegations? Some things are obvious others are not.

        As a consultant on the movie “Wonderland” Sharon Holmes broke down several times according to director James Cox. Why did Sharon break down? I cannot interpret her emotional state of mind but it probably had something to do with her deceased ex husband’s involvement in the facilitation & likely participation in four counts of capital murder.

        Sharon had tolerated and may have profited from her husband’s “life’s work” for the better part of a decade so I doubt she broke out in tears over that. Wonderland took everything to another level in their relationship. Sharon could tolerate the porn but this was different.

        Jill, I’ve never read any of your books but what excerpts I have read, seem to be well researched and delivered with an unbiased opinion. That’s something I really appreciate.

      • criticextraordinaire 6:55 pm on July 10, 2014 Permalink | Reply

        Jill, the Holmes marriage indeed was hardly a secret. Back in 1976 I had a college buddy who claimed to know porn stars. He told us that Johnny Wadd was a married man who managed an apartment building on the side when he wasn’t out there laying pipe.

        He also claimed that the girls told him that a lot of the massive wad shots back then were a mix of confectioners sugar and Carnation Evaporated Milk. We thought he was talking out of his ass and making up all that stuff. Turns out he was spot-on about John C. Holmes.

        I still wonder about the sugar-and-mlk concoction. :-O

        • Jill C. Nelson 11:10 am on July 11, 2014 Permalink

          I found that story funny, Critic, but do wonder how widespread the Holmes’s marriage truly was. Maybe Sharon didn’t realize that people knew. According to Sharon, apart from her best friend Nancy who worked with Sharon at the pediatrician’s office and the doctor who employed Sharon, she claimed that she told no one about their marriage (during the 1970’s). Naturally, many of their tenants at the apartment complex knew, as did Sharon’s parents. (Sharon’s father didn’t find out about John’s vocation until 1975 when he drove past a marquee with John’s name on it.) Joel Sussman knew John was married because John told Joel. Bob Chinn told Jennifer and I that during a road trip to Vegas one time early on, John mentioned to Bob that he was married. Bob thought it was bs. Imagine his surprise when Bob found out it was true many years later.

          Bob and Sharon met in person at a Los Angeles hotel when they were both interviewed for “When X Ruled the World” in 2004. Sharon stopped Bob when she recognized him going through the lobby and they had a chat. He was very surprised and pleased to finally meet her. Bob recalled Sharon told him how John had always admired and respected Bob and that he’d considered Bob a decent man in a sketchy business. I doubt he used that word specifically to describe the business, but I’d have to agree with John on that one. Bob Chinn is a quality human being.

    • Jill C. Nelson 7:01 am on July 9, 2014 Permalink | Reply

      Thank you very much, localarts. ;-)

  • John 8:28 am on June 23, 2014 Permalink | Reply
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    Just A Few Things… All Wonderland 

    Hi, just a few things today, before I lose focus and forget to post them.

    The link to the Georgiana Steele-Waller free e-book is finally here. She was the young lady, who like Julia Negron was a 60s model at first, married a music star… and in the 80s, had a brush with Wonderland. In her case, it was one of Nash’s cronies, she says…. Read more here. A creepy story.

    CJ sends this…

    The italics are mine. I was glad that I was quite close in my original Occam’s Razor research assessment of that neighborhood at least (all things being equal, the hypothesis with the fewest assumptions is the answer):

    I lived on Princeton Avenue (in Stockton) when the Launius family was there. In fact, my family still keeps the place and remains in contact with old friends and neighbors. The neighborhood was designed for “Baby Boomers” (I read that too) returning from WWII. Small homes (approx. 1200 square feet), large yards for children and really not much else. The “Country Club” area is much more opulent, but boating (1,000 miles of waterways) and golfing is close so we took advantage of the proximity. We were moderate/low income families. The Launius family rented a home on our street for maybe . . . one year. I will check with a friend to confirm this. They were three beautiful boys (blonde/blue-eyed) and so out-of-control (Ron, Rickey and Dave). A loud, raucous . . . . crazy, screaming family! Now, that I find that “Wonderland” is a real story about real people that I actually knew, my head is spinning! How do people get this messed up?

    I am in touch with CJ as a source for the book. Stay tuned.

    Oh! and speaking of Julia Negron… this is the man who went with her to Wonderland that fateful afternoon. He is a musician/songwriter. He co-wrote the sad tune “You Are So Beautiful” with Dennis Wilson and Billy Preston. Nice royalties, I bet. Small world when it comes to Wonderland. Bruce is still around, and doing musical theater or something these days, and quite successful, so I hope he’s not mad that I outed him.

    Rock on 1977!!

     

     
  • John 1:42 pm on May 15, 2014 Permalink | Reply  

    Quick Update – Part Of Chapter 2 – Coming Soon! 

    What a crazy past few months, mostly with my job. The company was bought, and as the main numbers man, it’s been one headache after another. We have so much $hit piled up in the back room that American Pickers need to get over here.

    However, some Wonderland things are brewing and you will know soon! I need to review and add some things to Chapter 2. I hope to make a post on Sunday or Monday.

    Til then, I leave you with this little tidbit via the late 70s… from noted historian and author, Shelby Foote. He’s right though, that is the trouble with new poetry, except today they are at coffee houses. Boring!

    Credit: Author and Historian, Shelby Foote.

    Credit: Author and Historian, Shelby Foote.

    Stay tuned!

     
    • Gayle 6:03 pm on May 15, 2014 Permalink | Reply

      Super excited for chapter 2!

      • localarts 4:55 pm on May 16, 2014 Permalink | Reply

        Can’t wait!

        • Bobby 3:28 am on May 17, 2014 Permalink

          Indeed – it’ll definitely be well worth the wait!

    • Jill C. Nelson 6:39 am on May 18, 2014 Permalink | Reply

      Great quote! Here’s another one I love that may or may not be inspiring by the late, great Charles Bukowski: “I’m always worried, well, you know, every time I go upstairs with my wine bottle. Sometimes I’ll sit at that typewriter for fifteen minutes, you know. I don’t go up there to write. The typewriter’s up there. If it doesn’t start moving, I say, well this could be the night that I hit the dust.” — Charles Bukowski

      Looking forward to your work, John! :)

    • Randy 11:24 am on May 18, 2014 Permalink | Reply

      Happy Birthday Ronnie!

      • localarts 6:46 pm on May 20, 2014 Permalink | Reply

        Ronnie would have been 70! I guess that kind of put’s into perspective just how long ago it was.
        Joy had a birthday May 14, she would have been 79.

        • John 11:44 am on May 21, 2014 Permalink

          Amazing. Yes, Ronnie is about a year older than my Dad. I’m no spring chicken myself.

        • localarts 11:13 am on May 28, 2014 Permalink

          Tension is building for chapter two, need I say more.

        • John 1:40 pm on May 28, 2014 Permalink

          Chapter 2 or whatever number it ends up being is done, I just need to arrange some things. By Friday…I promise!

    • criticextraordinaire 7:52 pm on May 18, 2014 Permalink | Reply

      Hopefully when your book comes out, it will increase enough interest in the Holmes story that “Wonderland 2″ will finally see the light of day.

    • Mark C 1:37 am on May 20, 2014 Permalink | Reply

      Crew doing great work!!!! I look forward to each update and article. Just so happen be watching Boogie Nights on FXM & Nash home robbery scene on ( Can’t Sleep here on East Coast), Great acting guy playing Nash doing. Guy playing Nash said he knows Rick Springfield on the film maybe was true who knows Nash know lot people & 99 Luftballons playing on end of scene when gun play starts. Sorry just little tid-bits of watching this movie scene while typing now. Keep up wonderful work don’t get down and quit you doing great.

    • Tori 12:18 pm on June 12, 2014 Permalink | Reply

      John are u releasing the chapters as u go? Or how r u doing this? Id like to read chapter one :-)

    • John 12:44 pm on June 14, 2014 Permalink | Reply

      Not releasing any chapters, per se, but snippets of pages and they are subject to change. I have my outline, and am now filling in the blanks so to speak. 3 more interviews to do!!

  • John 8:39 am on March 20, 2014 Permalink | Reply
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    Gary Fontenot, Manager Of The Starwood 

    Gary Fontenot was the manager of the Starwood during its heyday in the seventies and until the club closed in 1981. Although we heard a bit about Gary from Lee who worked at the Starwood (read those amazing posts here), not much else was really known about him. Gary was from a large family and he grew up in a very small town in southwestern Louisiana. Like so many others, he headed out west to Los Angeles to seek a better life.

    Gary passed away in Honduras in March of 1999. From the information available, it is easy to say that Gary Fontenot was a good man. I thank his brother, Patrick, for answering some of my questions and filling in the blanks.

    Rest in peace, Gary.

    In Memory of Gary Fontenot. Rest in Peace.

    In Memory of Gary Fontenot. Rest in Peace.

    Here is a start John…keeping in mind that I was living in Victorville California…stationed at George AFB.  I was in the Air Force and stationed there from 1977 – 1980/81.

    Did you ever visit your brother at his house in Studio City during the 70s or 80s? Did you meet any showbiz types?

    My family and I visited Gary as often as possible on the weekends.  I am not that familiar with Los Angeles and that area…but Gary lived in a rather nice little place that was pretty much walking distance to Sunset Blvd and it did not seem like it was a far drive from the Starwood.  I do not remember the street name.  He lived there with his friend Michael and Michael I believe was a nurse…doing private work if I recall.  They had been friends for some time.  I would also take some of my military friends to Gary’s home on Friday nights so they could experience the nightclub life at the Starwood.  He would give us the VIP treatment everytime we would visit.

    What exactly happened to Gary at the end of his life? Was he really living in central America? Retired?

    When things began to go downhill for Gary he decided to move to Honduras.  He actually drove there with some kid that I believe was from that area were they settled.  Gary opened his own place down there and seemed to be happy…always inviting me to visit.  However, by nature of my military job, I had to be very careful.  Gary experienced an attempted robbery one evening when closing and was shot in the stomach.  I don’t think he ever recovered, although his cause of death was attributed to prostate cancer.  My brother Dale, flew down to Honduras several times to visit Gary and the last time he flew down was to ensure Gary received a proper burial.

    Did Gary ever discuss Eddie Nash, who was his boss at the Starwood?

    Gary did in fact talk a little about Nash.  Lot of times it was in anger, however many times I believe the tone was respect.  Nash would provide Gary with new cars which Gary loved…he did like showing off a little.  I remember the last car given to Gary by Nash was a brand new Cadillac…we would drive to the Starwood in it and employees of the Starwood would jump in the car to park it when they recognized Gary in the car.

    What did Gary do for a living right after the Starwood closed?

    After the Starwood, Gary was not the same.  He moved into an apartment complex and dabbled a little in real estate…but was unemployed a lot of the time;although he would never tell me.  When at the Starwood, he was in control and afterward he seemed to lose that feeling.  The apartment complex was nothing fancy…about the only thing I remember about it was a visitor that came by one day while I was there.  Gary introduced him as an ex-FBI individual.  I assumed he was because he was carrying a gun.  They did not talk about anything specific and I guessed they had been acquaintances from way back.

    Did your brother ever tell you that his house was shot up by a dealer with a machine gun? He was looking for the soundman of the Starwood, who owed him some money? Gary allegedly let the soundman, Dom Fragomeli, stay at his house in Studio City for a few weeks in 1981.

    In 1981 I left California for Texas.  I don’t think Gary was living in the original home when I first got to California.  I am thinking he was still living in the apartment complex…is that what you meant as far as “home”.  Gary barely mentioned that happening…we would talk by phone…He did not go into detail.  But, knowing Gary, it would not surprise me that he had allowed someone to stay in his home.  He was just that type of person.  I believe he left California shortly after that incident.  Keep in mind, the Nash thing, the Starwood, coupled by him losing a lot of money in the stock market…Gary needed a change.  He had a hate/love relationship with California.  As a small town boy, Los Angeles and the Hollywood scene took its toll on Gary.  He was apparently good at what he did, managing nightclubs, but did rub elbows with some questionable people.

    Hope this helps…as you think of questions, let me know and I will answer them the best I can. Will try and dig up some photos of Gary.  You would really need to know where and how he grew up to understand the personal conflict he had with the whole Hollywood scene…

    Have a great day.

     
    • Bonnie Brae 4:41 pm on March 20, 2014 Permalink | Reply

      Damn John. You are thorough.

    • John 6:46 pm on March 20, 2014 Permalink | Reply

      Thoroughly in love! I’d be offended if you weren’t so sexy.

      • Bonnie Brae 10:09 am on March 21, 2014 Permalink | Reply

        I’d be offended if you thought I was anything else!

      • Gayle 10:07 pm on March 21, 2014 Permalink | Reply

        You are right about that John, she is a totally sexy! …and a fantastic person, I am grateful for her friendship.

    • Bonnie Brae 10:12 am on March 21, 2014 Permalink | Reply

      And yes. Your passion for this blog is part of your charm.

    • Mykal Fontenot 7:13 pm on March 25, 2014 Permalink | Reply

      Hi john, my names mykal fontenot, and i am gary fontenots nephew and godson. It was as a result of my interest in my uncle, that i found your blog, and after questioning my father patrick about it, that he in turn contacted you…. i would just like to say thank you for sharing a mutual respect for my uncle, as well as for going out of your way to share his story, and keep his spirit alive…..much love, brother….rock n roll. Mykal

      • John 6:09 pm on March 26, 2014 Permalink | Reply

        It was my pleasure, Mykal. Thanks for the kind words. God bless.

    • Bonnie Brae 7:00 pm on March 26, 2014 Permalink | Reply

      I am so jelly Gayle. You are one of very few people that actually grew up in LA.

    • Ken D. 5:00 pm on April 16, 2014 Permalink | Reply

      John,
      Not heard anything out of you in awhile there bud. Hope everything is well!

    • joii 3:24 pm on July 3, 2014 Permalink | Reply

      Hi I knew Gary very well in the Starwood days I lived worked and breathed it. was with Gary and Michael byard all the time…I have a couple of pics of him at the starwood, spent many a day at all his houses. and yes he was living on havenhurst here in w Hollywood right before he moved to Honduras. I am very sad to read he is gone…

    • Gayle 11:20 pm on March 23, 2014 Permalink

      So this was very interesting John. My friend and I were talking about the old Starwood days…she remembers a big black bouncer there, made me wonder if it was Diles! Ha!

    • Gayle 2:38 pm on March 24, 2014 Permalink

      I always wondered who managed the Starwood. I hung out there from 78 to 81…it wasn’t an over 21 club so we could get in being so young.

  • John 7:09 am on March 9, 2014 Permalink | Reply
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    Interview With Kevin Deverell & Photo Of Paul Kelly 

    Kevin Deverell and I spoke yesterday for 45 minutes. Kevin was serving in the US Navy aboard the aircraft carrier USS Forrestal when his father died.

    This is a true crime discussion forum. The whole point is to discuss details and find out the truth. The real story and the back-story so to speak. The visitors and posters at this blog feel compassion for the departed, because we have all had someone close to us lost to drugs, crime, or loved ones who got mixed up with the wrong crowd. In Wonderland, the truth about those involved was elusive in this case from the very beginning. It is nice to finally begin to find out the truth. In the decades since the 80s, some of the key figures (Thorson, Schiller) have even changed their stories somewhat. Erroneous details, exaggerations and accusations have consistently been thrown around by the media, sensationalized TV shows and so on. Thus, it is nice to start finding out the truth and setting the record straight. Thanks to Nils and Kevin, Jill Nelson and blog contributors for helping me out in this arena. The goal of this blog from the beginning was to gain exposure, through genuine discussion with key people, and possibly do a book or “real” documentary. If you’re new here, use the Search button because some of the highlights include contributions from Holmes author, Jill C. Nelson, Nils Grevillius, Julia Negron (ex-wife of Three Dog Night singer, Chuck), Lee who worked at the Starwood and knew Eddie Nash. There is also the close family friend of Tracy McCourt, the widow of Ron Launius’ friend, Carroll Evan Sherrill, among others. Go to Podcasts in the drop down menu if you want to listen to my interview from last year with Wonderland investigator and private eye, Nils Grevillius. Thanks for stopping by, but please don’t leave comments in anger or use curse words.

    Stream the interview here:

    Play or Download the mp3 audio file here:

    Also included is a photo of Billy Deverell and Paul Kelly, circa 1960s. Billy was 27 years old in this photo. Thanks again, Kevin!

    Billy Deverell and Paul Kelly

    Billy Deverell and Paul Kelly

     
    • criticextraordinaire 9:10 am on March 9, 2014 Permalink | Reply

      re: Billy’s 13 arrests. Would that not be public record? I’m pretty sure that info would be available to prove or disprove, at least the arrests and any possible convictions.

      • John 8:27 am on March 10, 2014 Permalink | Reply

        While this is possible if you know someone, it’s pretty impossible to walk in or phone a police station or Sheriff’s office and say you want someone’s criminal records. Even if they are deceased. Even if you are family. Basically in this case, I guarantee that one cop told a reporter this number, and it was said once, and then got reprinted over and over again by the newspapers.

        The Freedom of Information Act is a joke. Especially if the clerk is too lazy to even fulfill your request. I have numerous requests over a year old with the prison systems, military records people, a Sheriff’s dept, state police, etc. Civil service has gone downhill, worse than it ever was before. Even if you pay them their fee. Good luck.

        • Bonnie Brae 10:46 am on March 10, 2014 Permalink

          Hey Jenn – Friend me on Facebook – ask John how to find me.

        • Bonnie Brae 10:53 am on March 10, 2014 Permalink

          John – you make some damn good points.

        • dreamweaverjenn 5:47 pm on March 10, 2014 Permalink

          Oh no doubt…..I have personal experience with media taking one thing, blowing it waaaaaay out of proportion and spreading it everywhere…..

        • localarts 4:24 pm on March 12, 2014 Permalink

          Chris Cox statement somewhat dubunks Thorsons allegations about what happened to Holmes after Nash found out it was him who set up the robbery. I think Chris Cox said he heard that Nash had been robbed, and went up to Dona Lola to see Eddie. He said when he walked in the front door he saw John Holmes stand by the bar.

          That’s a big contrast from Thorson’s account. “Diles burst thru the front door with Holmes by the back of the neck and marched him straight to the bedroom. Thorson said they beat the hell out of Holmes and walked out of the bedroom an hour later with Holmes by the back of the neck with one hand and a pipe in the other.

          It’s like you were saying John, Thorson may have been just as big a liar as Holmes

        • John 5:54 pm on March 12, 2014 Permalink

          So according to Kevin and Nils, back in 2001 a 71 yr old Eddie Nash had a rough time at Terminal Island prison.

    • Bonnie Brae 9:50 am on March 9, 2014 Permalink | Reply

      Nils is the Man.

    • criticextraordinaire 9:53 am on March 9, 2014 Permalink | Reply

      Is Paul the guy who took a dump on Joy’s coffee table or something like that?

      • John 7:59 am on March 14, 2014 Permalink | Reply

        I think that is what Kevin told me before, but it was a b-day cake. Paul must have been the life of the party.

    • Bonnie Brae 9:59 am on March 9, 2014 Permalink | Reply

      Someone left a comment a while ago that we need to get a life. Could not agree more. At the same time it’s such a fascinating story.

      • dreamweaverjenn 11:21 am on March 9, 2014 Permalink | Reply

        Ah, screw ‘em! It is a fascinating story! There is so much more to these people then “they did drugs, they were bad criminals, they were murdered” the end. So, if we need to get a life, what were they doing on here as well??

      • Eric B 1:33 am on March 12, 2014 Permalink | Reply

        Funny! :) I was just checking this story on Facebook and my girlfriend peers over my shoulder and says, “GOOD GOD ARE YOU STILL READING THAT STUFF!??! THEY’RE ALL DEAD…” haha

    • Bonnie Brae 10:05 am on March 9, 2014 Permalink | Reply

      I love the story about the Hawk. So sweet.

    • Bonnie Brae 10:15 am on March 9, 2014 Permalink | Reply

      Cool interview. Thanks John. – I love when he asked why you were so interested in the story.

    • dreamweaverjenn 11:22 am on March 9, 2014 Permalink | Reply

      Awesome! Love this interview! Thanks John!

    • Bonnie Brae 11:43 am on March 9, 2014 Permalink | Reply

      Final comment. I agree with Dream. We have heard all the speculation. The newspapers made sure we knew about all the dirt that sensationalized the story. Thank you Kevin for showing us the other side of your dad and letting us see the human guy that some people are unable to grasp. Why the fascination? hmmm good question. Why are people so fascinated with Jack the Ripper, or Dahlia?

      • swrworkingman 9:32 am on March 12, 2014 Permalink | Reply

        For me, the fascination has got to do with the lead pipes. Of course John’s double role and all, but the led pipes nails Nash as the stereotype godfather that he was, not only did he show no mercy, he wanted to send a message in the underworld of LA. Tom Lange points it out in the British documentary.

        • John 10:00 am on March 12, 2014 Permalink

          As bouncer at some of Nash’s clubs, Diles was known to wield a pipe fitted with a rubber bicycle handlebar grip to threaten unruly customers. He also chased a man from one of the clubs one time, emptying his gun at the man across 6 lanes of traffic at 2 in the afternoon. His brother, Sammy once pistol whipped the brother of a city councilman at the Kit Kat Club, for which he served 2 year I believe for assault.

        • dreamweaverjenn 9:14 am on March 13, 2014 Permalink

          Wow, these people were hard core. I can see Diles emptying his gun in broad daylight too and not EVEN worrying about it. Dang…..

        • localarts 10:16 am on March 13, 2014 Permalink

          I think Eddie Nash was the most dangerous person of all the people that been profiled on this blog. Eddie had a vast amount of resources available at his disposable. If I were to rank me:
          1) Eddie Nash
          2) Horace “Big Mac” McKenna
          3) Ron Launius
          4) John Curtis Holmes

      • localarts 9:27 pm on March 15, 2014 Permalink | Reply

        John Holmes did far worse than Billy ever did.

    • Nils Grevillius 12:21 pm on March 9, 2014 Permalink | Reply

      Kevin is a good man and has my respect. I am glad the back story is included here, of real lives of real people. Good work, Weghorst.

    • localarts 3:11 pm on March 9, 2014 Permalink | Reply

      Fantastic as always! Without John’s dedication and drive, some of the mysteries surrounding the people and events that led up to the murders would still be unknowns. It sounds like Billy was just a regular guy.
      Went to work, paid his bills, and raised a family then fell into drugs, unfortunately. The same thing can probably be said about Joy.

      Without going into alot of detail, if you remove John Curtis Homes from the equation, it changes the course of everyone’s life forever. Including, Eddie Nash. And that’s a fact.

      • dreamweaverjenn 4:21 pm on March 9, 2014 Permalink | Reply

        I agree!

      • dreamweaverjenn 4:53 pm on March 9, 2014 Permalink | Reply

        Some asshole started shit with me on Facebook because I didn’t like his comments and the fact that he referred to himself as John Holmes. I asked if was also a sorry piece of shit and then it was on, lol. Sometimes I can’t keep my comments to myself and it gets me in trouble……Most of the time I try to be a very nice lady (My daughter’s saying “yeah, right, Mom.”

    • Darlene 6:49 pm on March 9, 2014 Permalink | Reply

      It was close to end of May I seen Billy a week before this all happened , Joy was the worse thing that ever happened to him

    • Darla 9:27 am on March 10, 2014 Permalink | Reply

      If Billy was under survallience , Why was that not a factor in catching his murderers?

      • John 9:33 am on March 10, 2014 Permalink | Reply

        Hi Darla. I think the police were aware of things at the house but it was not being watched 100% of the time.

        • Darla 9:47 am on March 10, 2014 Permalink

          I knew him all my life the Good,the Bad and the Ugly, Growing up he wasn’t like what ppl are saying and honestly, the Movie I call ” Bullshit”

      • localarts 5:47 pm on March 10, 2014 Permalink | Reply

        I think the house was under surveillance not Billy specifically. The police were keeping tabs on who was coming and going in order to build a case. Joy was potentially looking at doing time already.

        • John 1:09 pm on March 11, 2014 Permalink

          Yeah, the fuzz were probably checking out the house once in a while, but I doubt a team of narc’s were on the case full time.

    • localarts 10:32 am on March 10, 2014 Permalink | Reply

      I wonder whatever became of those antique Colt dueling pistols? Even back in 81 they would have been worth a fortune.

    • Tori 11:42 am on March 10, 2014 Permalink | Reply

      Does kevin live in Orange County? Didn’t u say garden grove ?

      • Tori 12:09 pm on March 10, 2014 Permalink | Reply

        My pops works for Bragg crane n rigging . They totally test randomly idk about back then. Like kevin said That kind of work there is no way you could be on drugs. Too dangerous.

      • John 12:36 pm on March 10, 2014 Permalink | Reply

        I’m not sure where.

        • Tori 2:08 pm on March 11, 2014 Permalink

          John I showed my dad ur blog he loves it. He’s on it as we speak. He’s just as fascinated in wonderland as we are!He loves that song . Who’s song is it?!

        • John 3:31 pm on March 11, 2014 Permalink

          Bette Davis Eyes by Kim Carnes. It was the #1 song on the charts in June & July 1981.

    • dreamweaverjenn 5:53 pm on March 10, 2014 Permalink | Reply

      Hey Bonnie, sent him a message <3

    • swrworkingman 12:55 pm on March 11, 2014 Permalink | Reply

      I kind of feel sorry for the actor who had the role as Tracy in Wonderland, if it is true they wrote him more or less out of the movie because of the real Tracy being a pain in the ass ;)

      • John 1:01 pm on March 11, 2014 Permalink | Reply

        You mean George Leonardopoulos? LOL. Yes, his career also took a nosedive after the movie. He appeared in very little and also suffered a setback LOL

        • swrworkingman 1:05 pm on March 11, 2014 Permalink

          Its all McCourts fault, haha

        • Bobby 4:34 am on March 12, 2014 Permalink

          ..And what a terrible line and delivery too! Doesn’t he say something like “Sure thing boss!” as if he’s in a damn James Cagney gangster flick after one of the gang tells him he’s the wheelman. Makes we cringe whenever I see it. Almost as bad as that extra slapping his thigh to the music when Lind enters the house for the first time during the party scene. When you see how badly that guy is overacting it can never be unseen! LOL!

        • dreamweaverjenn 5:36 am on March 12, 2014 Permalink

          Every time I watch it I notice something like that, the thigh slapping or someone saying something cheesy…..

    • John 4:41 pm on March 13, 2014 Permalink | Reply

      John Holmes died on this date in 1988. 3-13.

      • localarts 5:25 pm on March 13, 2014 Permalink | Reply

        Yes, and he took alot of secrets with him. Anyone willing to speculate where Holmes is spending his days now?

    • Mike 11:55 pm on March 13, 2014 Permalink | Reply

      Interestingly you can hear a hawk calling loudly on one of the Wonderland walk-through vids on YouTube.

    • kdimmick 12:19 am on March 14, 2014 Permalink | Reply

      Is Paul Kelly still alive?

      • John 5:49 am on March 14, 2014 Permalink | Reply

        Ken, nobody really knows. He’s be about 70+ now if he was alive.

        • Ken D. 3:17 am on March 15, 2014 Permalink

          John,
          Here is a tidbit of information that I do not know if you are aware of if it is true…
          Back when the movie WONDERLAND came out Lions Gate had a discussion board that a lot of people used to post at but it eventually got shut down due to all the crap that went on there. Anyway…..There was a lady from Canada who posted there.She was a painter by the name of Denise LafFrance who was planning to write and illustrate with her portraits of porn people a coffee table type book about the golden age of porn. She went on a trip to L.A. in order to meet a lot of the old time porn performers. She was wired in pretty tight with Cass Paley and he was making introductions to of her to people like Bob Chinn,Bill Margold etc…. After she got back from her trip I asked her how it went and what all she did while she was there and she related an interesting visit that she took with Bill Amerson to Glickman’s bail bond office there in L.A.. Glickman regaled her with old stories about Eddie Nash and also mentioned that an old friend of Ron Launius’s worked there with him but was not in at the time…..that friend of Launius’s was Paul Kelly. She said that her and Bill Amerson waited awhile for Kelly to get back but they had to leave when he hadn’t shown up after awhile so she never did actually meet him.
          Do you by any chance know anything about a Hal Glickman/Paul Kelly connection?

        • John 7:26 am on March 15, 2014 Permalink

          I will ask Nils about Hal Glickman, if he is still around and such. In his investigation he found that Glickman’s wife may have given Holmes a ride home that fateful morning. Thanks for the lead, maybe it will open up some channels!

    • Jill C. Nelson 1:44 pm on March 16, 2014 Permalink | Reply

      “In his investigation he found that Glickman’s wife may have given Holmes a ride home that fateful morning. Thanks for the lead, maybe it will open up some channels!”

      John, this is information Tom Lange touched on briefly when we spoke with him. We didn’t use it verbatim in the book because it couldn’t be confirmed. He said he believed they (LAPD) located the car eventually, that had dropped Holmes off at Sharon’s or at Bill Amerson’s since both claimed on the record that John arrived at their homes during the early hours on July 1st. The distance between Glenwood and Sherman Oaks is not exactly a hop, skip, and a jump away — it’s approximately eleven miles — so it’s hard to imagine that Holmes arrived at both doorsteps even if he’d had a lift, unless he cloned himself. We asked Lange about the car when it was found, did it have blood in the interior. Lange couldn’t recall or wasn’t certain. He couldn’t commit either way.

      The following are direct quotes from Tom Lange extracted from our September 2007 interview in which he references Dottie Glickman, Scott Thorson, Holmes and Nash. Some of it might be recycled information for readers, some of it not.

      Tom Lange: “We had other witnesses too. We had Hal Glickman’s wife, who is also deceased, who is the one that supposedly drove the killers to the house. She was in hiding, you know, and there was a big rigamarole over that. She was in hiding and she died, too. Dottie Glickman was her name. We looked for the car and we spent hundreds and hundreds of man hours over the years on this thing. We found phony leads. She never really gave us specifics.”

      Tom Lange: “We had Thorson’s car up at Nash’s house right after the murders. He said he overheard Diles beat up John. There’s always a little bit of truth to what someone says. When they’re impeached how much of what they say is true? How much do they embellish their statement for this reason or that reason? Books are written on that subject.”

      Tom Lange: “The pressure was on John. We would have rather not filed a murder charge against John. We wanted him as a witness, but he would have to have been completely forthcoming. Say ‘Yes, I opened the door, I knew what they were going to do.’ And if you were in fear of your life, which he probably was, then that’s what you say. ‘I saw them go to the victims and I saw them beat the victims and they made me take some whacks, I had blood on me. I went to Sharon’s house and I went to Amerson’s house,’ wherever he went. ‘This is what I did and this is what I did with the clothing.’ He needed to make a bold confession, not little admissions where he ended up playing a game. If he did that, then he would have been a witness and given immunity. But instead he played the game. Therefore, we had to put this so-called domino theory into effect to pressure him.”

      Tom Lange: “Nash was a suspect and certainly the motive was very strong and we’d done a background on all these people. We were finding out that Nash had been very insulated in the city for all these years, like the Teflon Don thing. Nobody could ever nail him. And there was a reason for that. You had political corruption, and you had police corruption, and he was a very insulated individual. This was rampant. That’s why he walked for so many years, and basically, he got away with anything he wanted. So, he was a hard nut to crack.
      Of course, then we found out that the feds were investigating him and there were dirty feds involved. Corrupt feds. They had come to our department behind our back and said that we were dirty and we were in bed with Ed Nash — forcing our department to investigate us when they were the ones that were involved — thereby derailing the investigation for a number of years. Which is exactly what they wanted to do.”

      • localarts 3:06 pm on March 17, 2014 Permalink | Reply

        Nils Grevillius said Dottie Glickman gave Holmes a ride as well. You know you’re dealing with a very, very big fish (Nash) when everybody either goes into hiding or wants witness protection.

        I remember I once said on this blog, Nash’s power was far reaching and Jill’s quote from Lange would seem to support this plus Nils thought the more fascinating aspect about the whole thing was what appeared to be a cover up, it would sure seem that way.

        It would be interesting to know just how far up the ladder this went?

      • John 3:11 pm on March 17, 2014 Permalink | Reply

        Thanks Jill. Amazing. Those tapes belong in the Smithsonian right near the 75 Granada and John & Sharon’s Malibu. This seemingly soft corruption by the cops or powers that be is underrated / understated. I’m sure there was more payola floating around from Ed to some judges or cops. I doubt he was slipping under the radar because he buying drinks and dinner for these people.

    • John 8:51 am on March 18, 2014 Permalink | Reply

      I just finished reading Chuck Negron’s book, 3 Dog Nightmare. Kevin sent me a copy. The Wonderland section is brief, but very telling. What Chuck says about Joy and Billy backs up what Kevin said in a way. Joy was owed by just about everyone, even Chuck and Julia Negron. Thus, Billy was collecting for her, shortly after they began dating. Kevin said to me this past weekend “You did not want to owe Billy Deverell money”. Before Billy was around, one of Joy’s suppliers named Jack had slapped around Joy because of money that Chuck and some others owed.

      Chuck would trade Joy for antique furniture, jewelry, etc. Chuck was also arrested twice while driving away from Joy’s apartment in Brentwood. She must have been watched for some time. One time, Julia picked up Chuck at Joy’s because Chuck was in no condition to drive. Julia fell asleep and they got into a bad car wreck. Chuck also says in the book that Fat Howard shot up his house over an unpaid drug debt. Chuck did a counter-threat to Fat Howard Cook, and I guess it scared him and Cook told Joy to tell Chuck that don’t worry, we’re all square. Although delinquent on debts, Chuck didn’t take any crap, and once burned up a dealer’s garage who had taken his Benz.

      The Wonderland chapter is very brief but awesome. The only mistake was saying Billy was an ex-con, which he was not. Chuck called Holmes a “worn out loser” or something like that and said he was friends with all 4 people who died that night. He would have been there but was sleeping off a dopesick day. The guys at the house must have thought he would stop by, thus the Three Dog Night album “Harmony” was out, and on the turntable, according to the crime scene.

      I was hoping Chuck would mention Bill “Ricco” Vlick but he never did.

      • localarts 10:42 am on March 19, 2014 Permalink | Reply

        Great stuff. I wonder if Joy kept a ledger for accounts receivable & accounts payable? I’m only half kidding but you would think Joy or Billy would have kept some kind of record of who owed what. Even though what they were doing was illegal, it was in essence a business.

      • Kevin 5:42 pm on March 19, 2014 Permalink | Reply

        Wow John well I guess I could’ve got my question answered by coming to this blog site I didn’t realize this is going to take me days to go through I bet I could answer a lot of questions and get a lot of questions answered also good job

      • Bobby 2:14 am on March 24, 2014 Permalink | Reply

        Would LOVE to read that Wonderland chapter! Any chance you could put a scan of it up on this here blog?.. or perhaps some of the highlights?… We love you long time..;)

    • mark c 6:24 pm on April 17, 2014 Permalink | Reply

      Kevin Deverell sound’s like a very nice person.
      Been a pleasure just listen to him.

  • John 10:36 am on March 6, 2014 Permalink | Reply
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    Observations From “John Holmes, A Life Measured In Inches” 

    This is not a review, but 5 stars is not scoring it high enough in my opinion. A wealth of information.

    A few things to mention and then you’ll have to buy the book, if you have not already.

    • Eddie Nash sat in the back of the courtroom during Holmes’ trial. He just stared at Holmes most of the time. (Man, Nash had some balls). The intimidation factor in full effect. With David Lind there too, there must have been a lot of extra bailiffs on duty to keep everyone from killing each other.
    • Holmes and Det. Frank Tomlinson connected through Jesus Christ. Frank was just discovering God and the Bible, and even prayed with John. Surprisingly, John Holmes did not allow his attorneys to cross-examine Frank Tomlinson while on the stand. John respected Frank and did not want him put through the ringer or to get torn up by Mitchell Egers and Earl Hanson, I guess.
    • Earl Hanson lent John a Volkswagon van or bus after his trial and release from jail. I had read about that before, but I assumed it was a VW beetle. Other sources never stated that  it was a van.

    Not even the tip of the iceberg. Get the book!

     

     
    • localarts 10:50 am on March 6, 2014 Permalink | Reply

      David Lind was probably just as scared as Holmes. It’s obvious why he said he didn’t know it was Nash they were robbing. I bet Eddie affixed his stare squarely on Lind when he took the whiteness stand.

      • John 12:43 pm on March 6, 2014 Permalink | Reply

        Probably so. Lind was more cantankerous and moody, accusatory at the 1990-91 trials, even calling out Diles and Nash “I never killed anyone, they did!!” (pointing at the pair). I guess by then, Nash was not as scary to him.

        • Tori 1:52 pm on March 6, 2014 Permalink

          What book john?

        • John 3:37 pm on March 6, 2014 Permalink

          John Holmes: A Life Measured in Inches by Jennifer Sugar and Jill C Nelson. Another book on my list to read is Golden Goddeses, which is about some of the early female porno stars.

    • Jill C. Nelson 5:41 pm on March 6, 2014 Permalink | Reply

      Thanks so much, John, for the pub. You didn’t have to but it’s much appreciated. :)

    • criticextraordinaire 12:53 pm on March 8, 2014 Permalink | Reply

      Those of us who were regs on the Lionsgate board, and then moved over to the IMDb-Wonderland board, were happy to see Jennifer and Jill put out this masterpiece, which started from humble beginnings. Not unlike its subject. :-D

    • Jill C. Nelson 8:26 pm on March 8, 2014 Permalink | Reply

      Really appreciate your kind words, Critic. I was a bit late coming on board, but heard and read many stories about the old Lion’s Gate forum. From what I understand, it was epic. You might be interested to know that Jennifer and I have remained good friends. We plan to visit her and her family this summer. Jennifer is doing very well and will soon become a mother for the second time. I’ve told her often that her invitation to co-write “Inches” enhanced my life’s path. It changed both of our lives. We still laugh about how crazy some of that journey was. But it’s all good. ;-)

      • Tori 12:20 pm on March 10, 2014 Permalink | Reply

        Oh yes. Got the book!

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