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  • John 10:36 am on March 6, 2014 Permalink | Reply
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    Observations From “John Holmes, A Life Measured In Inches” 

    This is not a review, but 5 stars is not scoring it high enough in my opinion. A wealth of information.

    A few things to mention and then you’ll have to buy the book, if you have not already.

    • Eddie Nash sat in the back of the courtroom during Holmes’ trial. He just stared at Holmes most of the time. (Man, Nash had some balls). The intimidation factor in full effect. With David Lind there too, there must have been a lot of extra bailiffs on duty to keep everyone from killing each other.
    • Holmes and Det. Frank Tomlinson connected through Jesus Christ. Frank was just discovering God and the Bible, and even prayed with John. Surprisingly, John Holmes did not allow his attorneys to cross-examine Frank Tomlinson while on the stand. John respected Frank and did not want him put through the ringer or to get torn up by Mitchell Egers and Earl Hanson, I guess.
    • Earl Hanson lent John a Volkswagon van or bus after his trial and release from jail. I had read about that before, but I assumed it was a VW beetle. Other sources never stated that  it was a van.

    Not even the tip of the iceberg. Get the book!


    • localarts 10:50 am on March 6, 2014 Permalink | Reply

      David Lind was probably just as scared as Holmes. It’s obvious why he said he didn’t know it was Nash they were robbing. I bet Eddie affixed his stare squarely on Lind when he took the whiteness stand.

      • John 12:43 pm on March 6, 2014 Permalink | Reply

        Probably so. Lind was more cantankerous and moody, accusatory at the 1990-91 trials, even calling out Diles and Nash “I never killed anyone, they did!!” (pointing at the pair). I guess by then, Nash was not as scary to him.

        • Tori 1:52 pm on March 6, 2014 Permalink

          What book john?

        • John 3:37 pm on March 6, 2014 Permalink

          John Holmes: A Life Measured in Inches by Jennifer Sugar and Jill C Nelson. Another book on my list to read is Golden Goddeses, which is about some of the early female porno stars.

    • Jill C. Nelson 5:41 pm on March 6, 2014 Permalink | Reply

      Thanks so much, John, for the pub. You didn’t have to but it’s much appreciated. :)

    • criticextraordinaire 12:53 pm on March 8, 2014 Permalink | Reply

      Those of us who were regs on the Lionsgate board, and then moved over to the IMDb-Wonderland board, were happy to see Jennifer and Jill put out this masterpiece, which started from humble beginnings. Not unlike its subject. :-D

    • Jill C. Nelson 8:26 pm on March 8, 2014 Permalink | Reply

      Really appreciate your kind words, Critic. I was a bit late coming on board, but heard and read many stories about the old Lion’s Gate forum. From what I understand, it was epic. You might be interested to know that Jennifer and I have remained good friends. We plan to visit her and her family this summer. Jennifer is doing very well and will soon become a mother for the second time. I’ve told her often that her invitation to co-write “Inches” enhanced my life’s path. It changed both of our lives. We still laugh about how crazy some of that journey was. But it’s all good. ;-)

      • Tori 12:20 pm on March 10, 2014 Permalink | Reply

        Oh yes. Got the book!

  • John 7:36 am on March 4, 2014 Permalink | Reply
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    June, 1989 – Rolling Stone Cover “The Devil & John Holmes” 

    Also, I am looking for this gem from High Society in 1984. Image censored by me. “I Was John Holmes Cellmate! – Insider Exposes the King of Porn” I wonder what that is all about. 

    August, 1984.

    August, 1984.

    The Devil and John Holmes by Mike Sager

    Click here to read the article. I only buy Playboy, High Society, and Rolling Stone for the articles ;-)



    • kdimmick 10:00 pm on March 4, 2014 Permalink | Reply

      I remember that issue. As far as I know the Mike Sager article was the first time the whole story of the murders was told to the world.
      Damn……Uma Thurmon was young in that picture. LOL!

    • localarts 7:43 am on March 5, 2014 Permalink | Reply

      I still have that issue, wish I had taken better care of it. It was actually the June issue of Rolling Stone. My copy has Paul McCartney on the cover dated June 15, 1989. On the left hand side of the cover it reads:
      “To Live And Die In LA The Tragic Story Of Porn Star John Holmes” Sager did a really nice job.

      • John 8:22 am on March 5, 2014 Permalink | Reply

        Thanks man, I found it and replaced the cover image. Good stuff.

      • John 9:26 am on March 5, 2014 Permalink | Reply

        Mike also is the first writer to mention the baking soda rip-off for $250K. If they had that type of cash, the Gang would not have needed to rob Nash. Also, what type of drug deal goes down where nobody samples the goods? If a dealer shot up the outside of Gary Fontenot’s house over $3,000 worth of crack smoked up by Dom Fragomeli, then I can imagine what angry dealers would have done to Wonderland. That electronic gate would not have saved anybody.

        • criticextraordinaire 6:03 am on March 6, 2014 Permalink

          Hitting Nash was not about money, it was about power. Ronnie’s brazen robberies were about letting everybody know that he was top dog. The dope, money, and guns were just gravy.

          Unfortunately for him, there is ALWAYS somebody bigger than you and that was his downfall.

    • localarts 12:53 pm on March 5, 2014 Permalink | Reply

      Yeah, this is where the contract on their lives originated from. Maybe it was really 2,500? who knows. Remember David Lind was invited down to Wonderland because they needed an extra hand, business was really booming.

      I doubt very seriously the gang was broke or hard up for cash.

    • Jill C.Nelson 9:48 am on March 6, 2014 Permalink | Reply

      “On the afternoon of Wednesday, July 1st, 1981, Eddie Nash was again consuming drugs at an alarming rate. He’d been ripped off for eight pounds of cocaine, but the Wonderland Gang hadn’t found his private stash, and now he was bubbling his glass pipe furiously. He’d sent two of his minions out to score more drugs, but they hadn’t yet returned.Two customers waited. They did hits off Eddie’s pipe, eyed the door.”

      “Thursday, July 2nd, 3:30 a.m. Sharon Holmes switched on the porch light, spied through the peephole. Christ, she thought, John. She hadn’t seen him in three months.”

      Mike Sager is an extremely gifted writer and journalist. Many years ago, after I first read this piece, I purchased his book “Super Freaks” — many of you have probably also read the book. From cover to cover, it’s a riveting, excellent collection of infamous celebrity and crime stories. The only issue either one of us had with Sager’s reconstruction of the Nash robbery and the Wonderland murders in this article is that the timeline is inaccurate. On the afternoon of July 1st when Sager has Nash sucking on a crack pipe, the murders had already been committed. Lange was the first detective at the crime scene around 4:00pm that afternoon. Likewise, according to one of Sharon Holmes’ accounts, John arrived at their house early in the morning on July 1st after the murders, not on July 2nd. I realize I am being nitpicky, but I do feel that it’s important to have accuracy particularly with timelines. At least as much as is possible based upon the information that is available.

      Apart from that, John, you do a superb job with this website. :)

      • John 10:12 am on March 6, 2014 Permalink | Reply

        Thanks Jill for contributing. There is always more to find out, and when peripheral characters show up in the story, often their stories are worthy of investigation too. So many characters!

    • localarts 10:37 am on March 6, 2014 Permalink | Reply

      Here at the Wonderland Institute of Criminal Studies, there are never any graduates, because the learning never stops!

    • localarts 8:01 am on March 26, 2014 Permalink | Reply

      Saw a bio on Mickey Cohen last night. I remember Roger Jacobs said Nash was the biggest gangster LA had seen sense the days of Cohen. If that’s the case, I don’t believe people realize how powerful Nash really was. Anyway, I found it interesting that Cohen served time at McNeil federal prison, the same place Launius served time. I guess all roads lead to Puget Sound…

    • That Guy 1:03 am on June 5, 2014 Permalink | Reply

      Hi John, I recently ran across some photos taken from the crime scene video and re kindled my interest in the Wonderland story and I started searching the web and finding your stuff regularly/mostly. You’ve answered about any question anyone could have and even the mild curiosities that go along with it. One of the things bugs me and I haven’t seen any information on is what Nash might have recovered from Wonderland the other thing that bugs me is something that appears to be a contradiction. The gang is supposed to be a bunch of drug addicts that party hard all the time but in the crime scene video it appears that those people were in bed asleep or on the couch asleep. BD appears to have gotten up and put on his pants to go investigate noises. People who love coke don’t steal sacks full and do allot of sleeping in the next few days. Even if heroine was the drug of choice for Ron and BD it would take allot of discipline not to dabble in this free coke. It doesn’t match the statement that McCourt made about leaving because of everyone being fd up. Just wonderin if you have any theories on this or if I missed some info somewhere?

    • localarts 11:17 am on June 6, 2014 Permalink | Reply

      Tracy McCourt left because he stated he saw a Lincoln Continental that looked just like the one parked at Eddie Nash’s place pull up outside of 8763 . He said he got nervous and tried to warn everybody but they were too wasted and wouldn’t list or something like that.

      McCourt’s testimony is solid with the facts as we know them. Launius was already making arrangements for the sale of dope they stole from Nash and the jewelry had already been fenced. They were all addicts as you say but at the same time, this was a drug operation they were running. Everything is open to speculation but if you read McCourt’s account very carefully, everything starts to fall into place. You can even tell when David Lind is lying by referencing McCourt’s Testimony. Both McCourt & Lind were given full immunity. The difference being, Tracy was a bit naive and really had no reason to lie about anything.
      Just my opinion but I would say Launius, Deverell, Miller & Lind were all getting juiced up on that veil of heroin they stole.

      Remember, they were all passed out prior to the Nash robbery except Lind and they all partied after the robbery. If there’s anybody that would have more insight, it’s John!

  • John 7:53 am on March 3, 2014 Permalink | Reply
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    Neighbors Ignore Victims’ Screams 

    Notice Detective Tom Lange just in front of the fire rescue man. The cop back there in casual clothes… well, it must have been his day off. To quote Bob Sousa “Is this gonna ruin my 4th of July weekend?”

    UPI. July 2, 1981.

    UPI. July 2, 1981.

    • localarts 2:38 pm on March 3, 2014 Permalink | Reply

      Looks like the UPI has placed the wrong pic with the story. The Wonderland victims were not carried out on gurneys, more like body bags. Two people carried out the women while four individuals carried out the men.

      • John 3:22 pm on March 3, 2014 Permalink | Reply

        I don’t know, but I’ve seen video of a gurney wheeling out the bodies. It was in that XXXL The John Holmes Story video.

    • localarts 9:03 pm on March 3, 2014 Permalink | Reply

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S2N5WTeggnw at 2:27 two men are caring either Joy Miller or Barbara Richardson. I’m just say’in…

    • dreamweaverjenn 3:45 am on March 4, 2014 Permalink | Reply

      Watching Wonderland as we speak. It’s 4:45 a.m. here and it’s on IFC….

  • John 11:26 am on February 28, 2014 Permalink | Reply
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    John C. Holmes, ‘King’ of 1,000 Porno Films, Dies at 43 

    This bio/death announcement article ran in the L.A. Times on March 14, 1988.

    John C. Holmes, ‘King’ of 1,000 Porno Films, Dies at 43

    March 14, 1988| RONALD L. SOBLE | Times Staff Writer

    John C. Holmes, the pornographic film star who became a central figure in the unsolved 1981 Laurel Canyon murders, died Saturday night at the Veterans Administration Hospital in Sepulveda, associates said Sunday. He was 43.

    A hospital administrator refused to comment on the cause of death. Reports had been circulating that Holmes was suffering from AIDS and that he had been hospitalized for an extended period.

    Last June, pornographic film producer and distributor William Amerson, who had a long-term business relationship with Holmes, said Holmes was suffering from colon cancer, not AIDS, and that the actor underwent surgery in October, 1986, for removal of a malignant tumor.

    Confirming that Holmes had died, Amerson declined further comment, declaring “I can’t talk. It’s kind of an emotional time.”

    Called “the King” of X-rated films, Holmes appeared in more than 1,000 sexually explicit movies and peep show loops between the late 1960s and the early 1980s, said his longtime associate, Bill Margold of West Hollywood, who appeared in several Holmes films.

    “He was the pioneer in X-rated films,” Margold said. “There’s only one king.”

    On the screen, Holmes appeared as an inexhaustible virility symbol who claimed to have had sex with thousands of women. An early 1980s sex film, “Exhausted,” was supposed to be a biography of his life. Holmes’ last film, “Hollywood Confidential,” was made two years ago.

    Holmes, said Los Angeles writer and film critic Kenneth Turan, “was very much proud of his work. He liked what he was doing.”

    In Turan’s 1974 book, “Cinema,” Holmes told the writer that well-produced pornography had a more lasting impact than most films produced for the general public. “No emotion is stronger,” he said. “It’s a lasting thing.”

    Off the screen, said his former wife, Sharon Holmes of Glendale, Holmes kept to himself about his film exploits.

    The couple was divorced in 1984, after almost 20 years of marriage. During that time, Sharon Holmes said, she never saw any of his films. “He knew it was not something I was particularly happy about,” she said. “But he said the money was good.”

    Holmes commanded $2,000 a day at the height of his career.

    In the late 1970s, Sharon Holmes said, her husband “got into drugs heavily. He lost control of what he’d been doing–lost control over his films, his life.”

    Holmes was born in Ashville, Ohio, and joined the Army before his high school graduation, serving three years in West Germany. After he left the service, he held several jobs in Southern California, including ambulance driver, warehouseman and door-to-door salesman.

    His start in pornographic films probably occurred when, to make ends meet, he was posing for nude photographs which caught the attention of a producer of sex films. By the 1970s, he had become an established X-rated star, making films here and in Europe.

    Although he worked with most of films’ top sex stars during his career, Holmes apparently had few friends in the industry and, associates said, did not socialize with the women with whom he had sex.

    “He was virtually friendless by his own decision,” said Margold.

    A few weeks ago, Los Angeles police reinterviewed Holmes in his hospital bed about the 1981 murders of four people on Wonderland Drive in Laurel Canyon. Although police have declined to discuss the interview, it was believed to have been triggered by the emergence of a new witness in the case.

    Holmes, after several months in hiding, was arrested in Florida and charged in December, 1981, with the killings. Although the prosecutor argued that Holmes actually committed one of the slayings, a jury acquitted him. Holmes then spent 111 days in jail on contempt charges for refusing to identify the killers, saying he feared for his life.

    The murders, believes Sharon Holmes, “will remain unsolved. He told me he could have told (police) everything. But he wanted to stay alive.”

    Holmes, she said, is survived by his mother, Mary, who lives in Ohio; two brothers, Edward and Dale; a sister, Anna, and a stepbrother, David.

    • John 11:46 am on February 28, 2014 Permalink | Reply

      Porn addiction, but of course. Very prolific statement.

      In Turan’s 1974 book, “Cinema,” Holmes told the writer that well-produced pornography had a more lasting impact than most films produced for the general public. “No emotion is stronger,” he said. “It’s a lasting thing.”

      • Jill C. Nelson 5:34 pm on February 28, 2014 Permalink | Reply

        This statement sort of ties in with John’s statement to Julia St. Vincent at the end of “Exhausted” when she asked him where he envisioned himself in twenty years. John replied, “On the late – late show.” Porn isn’t on cable but it’s certainly available on pay tv.

    • criticextraordinaire 12:50 pm on February 28, 2014 Permalink | Reply

      A buddy of mine lived in the Baltimore area when Mr. Holmes passed away. Apparently the newslady read out the story about John’s death. Then she paused for a few seconds, sighed, and said “What a waste”. I always wondered exactly what she meant by that.

      • John 1:39 pm on February 28, 2014 Permalink | Reply

        Interesting. Porn was still very taboo to be discussed in public, even in the late 80s. But, by the early 90s, if John’s trial had occurred then, it would have been a worldwide media circus!

    • Jill C. Nelson 5:29 pm on February 28, 2014 Permalink | Reply

      “Although he worked with most of films’ top sex stars during his career, Holmes apparently had few friends in the industry and, associates said, did not socialize with the women with whom he had sex.”

      This statement is a good one, though, to be fair, John would have kept his liasons with women in the adult industry private. He had brief and longterm affairs with several women within the industry such as Ginger Lynn, Laurien Dominique, Lesllie Bovee, Sandy Dempsey, Gilda Grant — not to mention, he married “Misty Dawn.” There were several others. Sandy Dempsey (who introduced John to nudist films in ’65 — the two worked for Kirdy Stevens) and Gilda Grant were both long term relationships.

      • criticextraordinaire 7:49 pm on March 1, 2014 Permalink | Reply

        Jill, did Sharon know about all these women John had on the side?

        • Jill C. Nelson 8:15 am on March 2, 2014 Permalink

          It seems that Sharon would have to have known about John having women on the side. Wives generally do. He might have told her that the women he worked with had meant nothing to him and possibly, she accepted that to be the truth in order to maintain or uphold their unique relationship and marriage. Sharon was an old fashioned girl and she loved John.

          In “Inches,” there is a passage/quote in which Sharon mentions how John had been away in Hawaii for approximately six months during the early ’70s. She doesn’t elaborate but she does say that John had told her he was working in Hawaii as a dancer. We asked Bob Chinn about that (Bob writes the specifics of this story in his own forthcoming autobio) and he said that John was invited by friends of Bob’s to headline/dance at their club after they’d wrapped a film shoot. It’s the same club that is shown in a scene in ‘Tropic of Passion,’ the Johnny Wadd movie filmed in Hawaii. John danced there for six months with Cassandra (the stripper shown in the club scene in the movie). He lived with Cassandra for the period of time he was in Hawaii and had a relationship with her. Sharon must have wondered why John was away for such a long time. It might seem strange to many people, but despite his philandering, I believe John had loved Sharon. It’s just that John had loved a lot of women.

        • criticextraordinaire 10:32 am on March 2, 2014 Permalink

          Man, John sure did see lots of action. I wonder what they all saw in him. Certainly does not square with the “John was a monster” image that some would like to portray.

    • localarts 10:05 am on March 1, 2014 Permalink | Reply

      You know, had John Holmes been convicted back in 82 and received the death penalty, he would have actually lived longer LOL. Probably two decades worth of appeals before he would face the gas chamber.

  • John 3:07 pm on February 26, 2014 Permalink | Reply

    Classic Quotes From Tracy McCourt’s Testimony 

    Well, when I walked in the house, you know, after I had been there a little while, John was rattling off about “long time money and lots of cocaine,” you know.

    So McCourt and the guys(?) would go with John and case the place…wait in the car like Dawn for hours.

    Well, we planned it. We made a couple of dry runs. We had to call it off a couple of times. One time everybody was going to forget it and me and Billy were going to do it and John kept going in the house and doing so much cocaine he wouldn’t come out for 45 minutes, three or four hours later, sometimes.

    We stopped and he told us to get him. He went like this (shaking his fist out the window): “Get him!” So we went to the house and did, you know.

    Tucking guns away when they came out of Nash’s. What a sight!

    Well, they were carrying a shower curtain with something in it and a briefcase and everybody was tucking guns in their pants ad what have you.

    And then Holmes’ attorney Earl Hanson chimes in and Tracy confuses him with his answers:

    Q: Mr. McCourt, prior to the time that this robbery took place in the home of Mr. Nash had you been living, sir, at the Wonderland address?
    A: Not on a regular basis. No. I just had been staying there about five days and when that happened, no, I wasn’t living there.

    Q: But you had been staying there? Is that correct?
    A: Yes. But not living there. No. I had no clothes there. I had no personal items there. No, I was not living there.

    Q: I understand that but what I am asking you is: Were you spending your nights there?
    A: Well, I spent three nights there. If that is spending my nights there, yes, I spent three nights there in the house.

    Q: By that –
    A: No, I wasn’t living there.

    Q: I understand that.
    A: Uh-huh.

    Q: But you had gone there and you had spent at least three nights there? Is that correct?
    A: Yeah.

    Q: Were you sleeping on the couch or the bed?
    A: On the couch. Yes. On the bed.

    Tracy had met Susan Launius before, or on the day of June 30, when she arrived and before the murders?

    Q: Who did you know at that house on Wonderland?
    A: Bill, Joy, Ronnie – I didn’t – I hardly barely knew his ex-wife and I didn’t know –well – I met Barbara.

    Devastated, Tracy had to force the thoughts of his friends being murdered out of his mind.

    A: I believe it was two days and I – I – I had a bit of a hassle trying to forget some of this so I have to, you know, search in my head to remember it.

    Q: I understand.
    A: It was a shock.

    So Lind called him “Titmouse Tracy”. Probably to his face, so he does not seem fond of Lind at all.

    Q: With regard to those two days and nights, I think you said, of constant planning, who was present during that planning?
    A: John, me, Ronnie, Billy and Joy and the girls, but they didn’t get involved, really. They were just there. It was just us fellows but then, all of a sudden, David Lind pops up from nowhere. I don’t know where he came from.

    Q: Did he more or less show up at the last –
    A: Yes. He did.

    Q: And he kind of somehow invited himself into the group?
    A: Yes. Right. Exactly.

    Lind states in his testimony that Tracy had a gun. Tracy says he never had a gun.

    Q: Is there any particular reason you were designated as the driver?
    A: Well, I was originally supposed to – before this other party took his gun back – I was supposed to go in the house. It just turned out, you know. I was going to go in there with a gun.

    Q: Suddenly you ended up without a gun?
    A: Right.

    Liquid Band-Aid. I didn’t even know that stuff was around back then.

    Q: I see. Was anything done, for instance, with regard to putting some substance on the fingertips?
    A: Yes there was.

    Q: When was that done?
    A: Ron put some crap on my hands. I don’t know what it was.

    When there at Nash’s with Holmes or casing the place with the others. He was at both doors?

    Q: You never went into the Nash residence?
    A: I just made it to the back door one time. The front door another time. But I never had been in it, no.

    Reading the newspaper. That never looks suspicious. I once asked a guy why he was parked in front of my house reading a newspaper all day. He said he was a private investigator trying to catch some guy cheating on his wife.

    Q: At some point did you hear a shot?
    A: Yes, I did. I was reading the newspaper.

    He did something. He got nervous! stayed right there.

    Q: As a result of that shot did you do anything?
    A: Yeah. I got nervous but I didn’t do anything else because I stayed right there.

    Tracy got nervous/frightened upon seeing a car that looked like Nash’s out on Wonderland, so he left in a cab back to North Hollywood…

    Q: When you came back to the Wonderland address and after the loot was divided up did you stay there for some period of time before you left?
    A: Not too long. As soon as the money was divided up I left, about five minutes later.

    They were supposed to move out but never did. The coroner’s report lists Ronnie’s hair as brown or dark brown, so I think he may have died his hair. Speculation… Nash lived 5 minutes away and had seen their faces.

    A: Me and Billy and Ronnie promised each other we were all going to move the same, next day, and it didn’t happen.

    Q: Were you all going to move?
    A: Yeah.

    Q: Move out of the residence?
    A: Right.

    Q: Were you going to move out?
    A: We were all going to move out.

    Q: Well, did you all move out?
    A: No.

    If Bill Vlick was the supplier for Joy, then this statement confuses me. Vlick was caught with heroin in June, 1980 so I think by 1981 he had quit dealing in heroin and the gang was forced to go to other dealers. Also, maybe Vlick would not accept trade or collateral for drugs. Maybe he wanted cash, so the gang had to go to Nash and others. I’m really confused by the gang’s money situation. I think they were really broke, it was the end of the month, and rent was due.

    Q: That residence was used as a location for sale of narcotics. Isn’t that correct?
    A: It was also used as a place to live.

    Q: I understand that. But was it a place where narcotics were being sold?

    A: Not that much narcotics. Most of the narcotics was – did prior to that robbery we had to go out and get somewhere.

    And then Earl Hanson is mad at him again…

    Q: All I’m asking you –
    A: No. There wasn’t that much sales going on there. That I saw.

    Only the “niche” would be allowed in. Like Chuck Negron, people who knew Joy, or Ronnie’s dealer buddies:

    Q: Would anybody have any trouble, to your knowledge, getting into that house?
    A: Sure, they would. Definitely. Ronnie, the people that did come and go were all of a certain, shall we say, niche, or whatever, you know? I mean, if you weren’t in that little clique you didn’t just walk in that house or you were not even around none of those people.

    Who is Mike? Ron knew him.

    Q: After the robbery did you have an occasion to go back to that residence?
    A: Yes. One time.

    Q: To your knowledge did someone named Mike go?
    A: Yes, but Mike had been up there before. That is the only reason he ever was able to, and that is the only reason I even took him up there, because he had been up there before, you know.

    Q: But, in any event –
    A: And Ron knew him.

    Jimmy Vegas…

    Q: Do you recall telling Tom Lange on the next day which was Tuesday you were staying in an apartment over on Lemp Street?
    A: Yes. I was staying there.

    Q: Did you see someone named Jimmy Vegas?
    A: Yes, I saw Jimmy Vegas there.

    Q: Do you recall telling that to Tom Lange?
    A: Yes, I think I did.

    Ron Coen objects to a question by Hanson, and Tracy fires this off before the judge can respond to the objection:

    THE WITNESS: I said there was no heavy dope. There was a little bit of weed being sold there but there wasn’t no China White traffic. That is hard enough to find in the first place.

    Hanson has no more questions, but Coen asks a few more, including this one:

    Q: When you mentioned you have to be a particular type of clique to enter that residence, based upon staying there and knowing the residents as you did, was John Holmes the type of person that Ron Launius would allow inside the house?
    A: Yeah.

    • localarts 7:00 pm on February 26, 2014 Permalink | Reply

      “he told us to get him. He went like this (shaking his fist out the window)” WTF was Holmes thinking!! The whole idea boarded on shear madness. The most accurate picture of what went down is within McCourt testimony & Lind in 1990. I think Tracy wanted to be respected and treated like the others.

      • criticextraordinaire 10:28 pm on February 27, 2014 Permalink | Reply

        Johnny was thinking “we’re gonna score some dope”. If you think of this caper in terms of The Godfather, Tracy was Fredo, Ronnie was Sonny, and John was Hyman Roth. He played his part beautifully. Eddie was Michael Corleone, ruthless.

      • Bobby 3:03 am on February 28, 2014 Permalink | Reply

        Yup, pretty dumb. John was short sighted and only had his eye on the dope prize. How did he for a moment think he was gonna get away with it? It’s utterly confounding to say the least! Nash & Diles would’ve taken all of 2 seconds to work out who the “genius” behind the robbery was.. even if Ron never actually yelled out “Johnny Wadd says hello” on the way out…

        • criticextraordinaire 12:55 pm on February 28, 2014 Permalink

          This is why your typical drug addict does not live a long life. All they think about is the dope, it blinds them to everything else and that includes logic.

          I’ve dealt with addicts in the past who… in the pursuit of their next hit, will be incredibly creative, thoughtful, and industrious. But all of those qualities are solely focused on the immediate issue at hand – getting high. After that, nothing else gets consideration. Not dying from an OD, not getting killed by the dealer they want to rip off, not losing their families. On the Nash hit, John, Ronnie, David, and Billy were equally stupid.

          As odd as it seems, the most “challenged” player in this scene was Tracy, who had the good sense to “make like Gretzky and get the puck out of there” after the Nash home invasion. Which made him the smartest member of the gang, at least on that day.

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  • John 1:01 pm on February 25, 2014 Permalink | Reply
    Tags: , james fuller, jim fuller, surfaris,   

    Day After Nash Robbery, Lind Visits Old Rock Star Friend 

    Wonderland investigator, Nils Grevillius, interviewed David Lind’s brother and it’s also in the Lind preliminary testimony, that the day before the murders, Lind left Wonderland to go and visit his old buddy, James Fuller, in Monrovia, CA. That’s a good 30 miles away from Wonderland. Jim Fuller was lead guitarist for The Surfaris:

    While there at James’ house, Dave says in his testimony that he met a few girls (Cindy and Terri) who gave him a ride back to the San Fernando Valley, where he partied with them all night. The valley is much closer to Wonderland so Dave was working his way back I guess. In the prelim testimony for Holmes’ trial, he does not say they were prostitutes. It does not really matter, but he may have told cops that, or mentioned it at the Nash/Diles trials. The “spending the night with prostitutes in the Valley” thing could be an embellishment by a writer. I don’t know if they were or not. If they were, Big Dave was being tag-teamed while poor Barbara was alone on the couch.

    The next morning, Wednesday, July 1, David spoke with the fence, Fat Howard Cook, who knew about the killings and put Dave in touch with Jimmy Arias AKA Mr. Vegas. Then, Mr. Vegas spoke with David and said “Don’t go to the house, everyone is dead”. Mr. Vegas also had a fellow with him named “Paul” (most likely Paul Kelly?). They were to take Ron to the airport for a court date in Sacramento. In the prelim testimony, David never mentions Fat Howard, but Nils says Dave spoke to Fat Howard first, just like in the movie Wonderland.

    Anyhow, Nils said that Jim Fuller was in the Surfaris, the surf rock band who did “Wipe Out”. Jim is known as the Godfather of Surf Music:


    His name is on the “Hollywood Rock Walk of Fame”.

    • Bonnie Brae 7:02 pm on February 25, 2014 Permalink | Reply

      Thanks for this information John! Great blog.

    • kdimmick 11:33 pm on March 3, 2014 Permalink | Reply

      Man, you sure do know how to dig up all those unknown nuggets of info on this… Fuller is still alive too. You ought to see if you could get an interview from him.

    • Gayle 9:46 pm on August 3, 2014 Permalink | Reply

      Very interesting!

  • John 9:59 am on February 25, 2014 Permalink | Reply
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    Porno Star To Stand Trial In Laurel Canyon Killings 

    My apologies for the bleached out old news photo but it was the best I could find. Now I have been in court a few times, but when I do, I button my shirt up. Outstanding. I’m pretty sure that John wore that same borrowed tan jacket for most of the trial. I read that somewhere. It is nice to have a good attorney like Earl Hanson, who attacks the system (and for free!). If something like this happened today, or even the early 90s, the cable news shows would go nuts. It would be like O.J. or Menendez all over again.

    John Holmes stated in his audio tapes with Porn King writer, Fred E. Basten, that he had slept in that house several times, and also in that back bedroom. Just having been in that house before would provide reasonable doubt. The “bloody hand print” on the bed rail that has so often been discussed in articles were prints that were overlaid with blood spatter or drops. Most likely the prints were there before the murders. Without that so-called evidence, the prosecution only had Tomlinson or Lange to provide testimony that John was even there. The jury needed more, and although they may have thought Holmes was involved, it was not enough to convict (according to Nils Grevillius). As one juror stated, “We needed more than Detective Tomlinson saying Holmes told him he was there. We did not have that”.

    Also, Julia Negron and her kids stayed at Joy’s and used that back bedroom, before Ron Launius moved in. I bet that 50+ sets of different prints were pulled from that house.

    Associated Press. February 3, 1982.




    • jimmy---chicago 5:35 pm on February 25, 2014 Permalink | Reply

      Too bad sharon kept her mouth shut. She had to be a screwball putting up with that situation with dawn and john

    • localarts 5:55 pm on February 25, 2014 Permalink | Reply

      I’m not an attorney but I believe a spouse cannot be compelled to testify against the other. They can however volunteer to testify. As much as I hate to say this, Sharon has only herself to blame for all the
      hurt and upheaval Holmes caused her. She should have kicked his ass to the curb.

      Sharon might have been traumatized by the whole thing, you just never know.

    • criticextraordinaire 7:26 pm on February 25, 2014 Permalink | Reply

      I believe Ronnie’s name was indeed “Ronnie” and not “Ronald”.

    • jimmy---chicago 7:33 pm on February 25, 2014 Permalink | Reply

      That is the law . The whole thing is im liberal (not obama liberal) and I can’t wrap my head around sharon,john and dawn the whole situation sharon never seemed to ever want john back after he decided to choose porn over her but she knew he was a pedofile due to dawns age and that whole dynamic between them ,well I don’t know it’s desgusting how decreped does it have to get.At least she should have opened her mouth to the right authorities after holmes died .

      • criticextraordinaire 8:09 pm on February 25, 2014 Permalink | Reply

        Sharon didn’t know that John and Dawn were getting it on. At least while she (Dawn) was underage. Besides, Sharon was Italian and knew better than to rat anybody out to the cops. The only time she ever called the cops was to dispose of that dead guy who ill-advisedly tried to break in to Sharon’s place.

    • Jill C. Nelson 8:19 pm on February 25, 2014 Permalink | Reply

      The tan jacket and the entire wardrobe (including shoes) that Holmes wore during his trial were purchased by his girlfriend, director Julia St. Vincent who was present every single day of his trial.

      Once again, the left palm print was not bloody. Erroneously, reports at the time stated that it was. Earl Hanson clarified that mistake when he was interviewed for WADD.

      • Jill C. Nelson 8:51 pm on February 25, 2014 Permalink | Reply

        Correction: It was Hanson’s partner, Mitchell Egers who stated in his interview for WADD: “I remember very clearly that the prosecutor, now Judge Ron Coen stated in his closing argument that there was a bloody fingerprint I believe, on the headboard near one of the victims. That was not correct. It had to be corrected before the jury. There was no bloody fingerprints. I remember quite clearly, that was the impression that some had in the courtroom before it was clarified by the defense.” – Mitchell Egers

        • John 11:04 am on February 26, 2014 Permalink

          Thanks for that quote. Geez, Coen had a weak case. Would love to have the real trial transcript.

    • Mike 9:37 pm on February 25, 2014 Permalink | Reply

      “Sharon was Italian and knew better than to rat anybody out to the cops.” C’mon – no offense but that’s way off base.

      “The only time she ever called the cops was to dispose of that dead guy who ill-advisedly tried to break in to Sharon’s place.” That’s an absurd story she concocted and it doesn’t hold water. I presume she made it up, and not Dawn; who knows. Again, no offense meant.

      • criticextraordinaire 3:38 pm on February 26, 2014 Permalink | Reply

        Hey, Sharon herself said that she told John that if he raised a hand against her (words to the effect) “I’m Italian and you’re gonna have to go to sleep some time.” She knew how that game was played.

        Sharon has always been seen as a very credible source, so I don’t have much reason to doubt the dead body. Or the gold-encrusted foot locker story either.

  • John 9:50 am on February 24, 2014 Permalink | Reply
    Tags: timeline, wonderland murders events   

    Wonderland Timeline Has Been Updated 

    The extensive Wonderland Timeline has been updated with all kinds of stuff.

    Check it out.


    • Jill C. Nelson 2:51 pm on February 24, 2014 Permalink | Reply

      The only minor thing I noticed is that Holmes was arrested at approximately 8:45pm on Friday December 4th rather than November 30th. He appeared in Florida’s Dade County Circuit Court on Saturday December 5th at 10:30am and was flown back to L.A. the same day accompanied by homicide detectives Tom Lange and Frank Tomlinson.

      The staged hunger strike during Holmes being jailed for contempt took on a life of its own as people from the outside in addition to inmates also snuck candy and food in to John. Psychologist Dr. Vonda Pelto smuggled two candy bars to Holmes concealed inside of a newspaper. John had told her that if she brought him a couple of chocolate bars he would marry her. Barbara Wilkins, a freelance journalist (hired by Hustler to write a piece for their magazine) who would eventually become one of Holmes’s girlfriends, organized a petition to free Holmes. I’m not sure if that’s included in your timeline or if it needs to be.

    • localarts 3:50 pm on February 24, 2014 Permalink | Reply

      .Yes, this should be added. Ron Launius may have been the alpha male of the bunch but Holmes played both sides like a violin probably better than anyone could have suspected or wanted to admit.

      • jimmy---chicago 6:29 pm on February 24, 2014 Permalink | Reply

        I thought billy ran the show I think on a recent post his son said billy could smack ronnie around

        • localarts 9:04 am on February 25, 2014 Permalink

          I think Billy ran the house or laid down some rules for Ronnie living there. Obviously, Kevin knows more about what went on than any of us will ever know. With that said, when it comes to the Nash hit, I believe Launius was the deciding factor.

          If you’ll recall, in the initial stages of the planning to rob Eddie Nash, Tracy McCourt said everybody backed out (meaning Launius & Lind) but Tracy and Billy still wanted to go through with the robbery! It’s just my opinion but I think Ronnie ultimate gave the green light on this project thanks to the advice of John Holmes, a man Billy did not trust.

        • John 10:06 am on February 25, 2014 Permalink

          Yes, and when Lind showed up with his added muscle, that put the wheels in motion. They even took away Tracy’s gun and gave it to Lind. That’s what they thought of Tracy’s physical prowess. Holmes states in his audio tapes with author Fred Basten that “Lind was a big scary fucker”. That he was. Also, in court, Lind gave Holmes the “throat slash” gesture, which I guess you can do in court, but is banned in the NFL. LOL!

    • localarts 5:18 pm on February 24, 2014 Permalink | Reply

      John, any details on the San Pedro murder Launius was suspected in? Was not aware of this.

      • John 7:58 am on February 25, 2014 Permalink | Reply

        Nils Grevillius mentioned this. I believe the detective he spoke to was Sgt. Orozco who investigated the murder of Weiss. Nothing could be done however with the leads or witness(es) because it did not matter, Launius was already dead.

    • criticextraordinaire 6:55 pm on February 24, 2014 Permalink | Reply

      I think I read where Dawn said that she got to see John when she came back from Thailand. So would 11-30-1981 really be the last time Dawn and John saw each other?

      • John 7:53 am on February 25, 2014 Permalink | Reply

        That’s it, bro. Never saw him again.

    • Jill C. Nelson 8:42 pm on February 24, 2014 Permalink | Reply

      Dawn did not see John when she got back from Thailand. In the early years of her blog, she posted that she had seen him just before he passed away. In her book she stated that she’d seen him in a dream.

      • John 7:54 am on February 25, 2014 Permalink | Reply

        Oh geez. I did not know that. Good stuff.

      • criticextraordinaire 7:22 pm on February 25, 2014 Permalink | Reply

        Oh yeah, now I remember that. Wasn’t John in the middle of flames or something like that?

        • John 10:45 am on February 26, 2014 Permalink

          Need a timeline or Excel spreadsheet just to keep all of Dawn’s stories straight.

        • Jill C. Nelson 11:55 am on February 26, 2014 Permalink

          Actually, I think Dawn said that Sharon had had a dream of John in flames “at the precise time of his death” or something to that effect. In her book, Dawn claimed to have had a vision/dream of John, and that it had also occurred at the exact time of his passing — on March 13. The irony of the two claims is that Holmes actually passed away on March 12 but the coroner didn’t arrive until the 13th. The13th was recorded as his official time of death. — It makes for great drama.

  • John 10:55 am on February 21, 2014 Permalink | Reply
    Tags: , todd bridges   

    Actor Todd Bridges Met Eddie Nash In Jail 

    Just like John Holmes at one point, they were housed in the “High Profile” section of the jail, so they were well taken care of and no other inmates could mess with them. This book looks pretty good, I just don’t know how full of shit Todd Bridges is. With a story like his though, he’s bound to drop some names. I like the part about Lyle Menendez’s wig. Classic, I had heard about that before, including how at their parents funeral, Lyle delayed the service for like an hour, so a wig guy could come make the necessary adjustments to that squirrel on his head.

    The “Johnnie” at the beginning is Johnnie Cochran. But of course.

    An excerpt from "Killing Willis: From Different Strokes to the Mean Streets" or something like that.

    An excerpt from “Killing Willis: From Different Strokes to the Mean Streets” or something like that.

    • Bonnie Brae 11:14 am on February 21, 2014 Permalink | Reply

      Walked people to their cars with what???? Baseball bats? Flashlights? I must know.

      • John 11:33 am on February 21, 2014 Permalink | Reply


      • John 11:37 am on February 21, 2014 Permalink | Reply

        I think both Menendez boys are now married. When Scott Michaels wrote to them while they were awaiting trial, he asked how much an autograph would cost (he wanted to put it in his Dearly Departed Museum). They replied “The Menendez brothers are not for sale!”

        • Bobby 5:38 am on February 22, 2014 Permalink

          The Menendez brothers are the perfect definition of ‘Yuppie Scum’.

    • Bobby 5:34 am on February 22, 2014 Permalink | Reply

      “We didn’t have much in common”!! Day-amn, I woulda had a million questions for ol’ Nash!
      I’m with Bonnie.. would love to hear the rest of that Richard Ramirez story. Man, just as it was getting interesting! ;)
      A while back I read that James Franco optioned the rights to the biography “The Night Stalker” and was gonna play Ramirez in a film adaptation of the book. Wonder whatever happened with that?

      • John 7:22 am on February 22, 2014 Permalink | Reply

        He just goes on to say how shocked he was at Ramirez’s crimes, “raping and killing little old ladies. He goes on to say “Ramirez used to come by my cell and shake my door really hard, and say “I’m coming to get you, Bridges!”. After getting the death penalty sentence/gas chamber, Bridges says that Ramirez came back to the cell block with a distraught look on his face. Bridges puffed out his cheeks and yelled “Hey Richard, get ready! How long can you hold your breath?!” “Fuck you Bridges”, said Ramirez.

      • John 7:25 am on February 22, 2014 Permalink | Reply

        In the early 90s, there was a good docu-drama made about the Night Stalker. Look it up, but if not on DVD, it probably won’t be on TV ever again. The networks would rather just play Shawshank or Good Fellas for the 800th time, LOL.

        Don’t forget… Bridges was also a basehead. So… take these stories with a grain of salt, however, I don’t doubt what he said about Nash. They were in jail at the same time in the late 80s.

        • criticextraordinaire 10:08 am on February 23, 2014 Permalink

          I can see Todd in the pokey with Eddie Nash and The Night Stalker. They hound him mercilessly… “Come on Todd, say it. We really want to hear you SAY IT”.

          Todd finally succumbs to the taunting and exclaims “What ‘chu talkin’ about, Willis?” :-D

      • John 7:35 am on February 22, 2014 Permalink | Reply

        Bridges also mentions the crap food in jail, just like Holmes stated they were still serving “Shit on a shingle” (gravy and meat poured over toast or bread). In the joint, they have to feed a lot of people, so they make up these large amounts of homogenous stuff like that or soup or crummy beef stew. It’s always cold by the time you get it. Bologna and fake cheese sandwiches. The “county cheese” that won’t melt, no matter what you do to it.

    • jimmy---chicago 1:08 pm on February 23, 2014 Permalink | Reply

      I believe bridges it’s not that crazy of a story being that if they were all in the same cell block sure they would see each other and bridges would be fucked with considering the pecking order criminals there.
      First we have ramirez murderer.Second the menendez bros : murdered parents. Third the nash arson, murder,drugs etc Todd Bridges child hood star got busted for guns and drugs.

      • John 8:13 am on February 24, 2014 Permalink | Reply

        In the high profile section of the jail, Todd says that the guys had 2 hours a day to get out of their cells, walk around, shower, use the payphone and watch TV in a sitting room. With only rabbit ears, they watched Soul Train on Saturday mornings to see the girls dancing, and they watched tabloid shows on weekdays and daytime news shows….but, it was annoying he says when one of their own cases came on, it would just piss off the person in question (himself, Nash, whomever). I don’t know if Ramirez go those same privileges, he doesn’t really say.

        He said that he spent a month in solitary for something or other offense in there. It was the hardest time because you are in a 4′ x 7′ cell with contact to the world. Your food is baked into balls to eat and you get a few apples a day. Bridges said that he hates apples to this day. In solitary, your mind takes over though and you find ways to entertain yourself. For him, he would re-enact scenes from TV shows and make up his own TV shows in his head, etc. Sucks to be in there.

    • dreamweaverjenn 11:58 am on February 24, 2014 Permalink | Reply

      The Night Stalker always has and always will scare the shit out of me. I can’t even look at pictures of that asshole. It’s like looking at the devil.

      • Bonnie Brae 6:49 am on February 28, 2014 Permalink | Reply

        Yeah – that clown is in Disneyland now. But while he was alive and on the loose, I was scared out of my mind.

  • John 7:01 am on February 21, 2014 Permalink | Reply
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    Article About The Horace McKenna Story 

    This is a complicated case, but if you saw the TV show last night on Discovery ID, it was pretty awesome in describing the events.

    The daughter of Mike Woods has a blog where she discusses her life and what it was like having a father convicted of murder and being sent to prison. These are 10 things she has learned about the big house since her father’s conviction:

    1. The term used when a prisoner hides contraband up inside his person – Keystering – and thank you Dad for that detailed description.

    2. Inmates can ferment fruit and packets of bbq sauce into wine, taste at own risk.

    3. Inmates can make a sharp knife out of toilet paper, kind of like paper mache style.

    4. Prison guards steal any mail they may want, e.g. magazine subscriptions, packages of food, electronics.

    4. Contrary to prison life in movies, inmates don’t have computers or access to the Internet, unless you’re Martha Stewart.

    5. Inmates don’t ask other inmates what they are in for unless they offer you their sentencing papers.

    6. The prison pecking order starting from lowest to highest is:  sex offenders, including child murderers, pedophiles and rapists, law enforcement, informants, drug dealers, murderers (but not of children).

    7. If your Dad’s appellate attorney is the same as Phil Spector’s, be careful what you may write about Phil Spector.

    8. MCI is a racket and has the toe-hold on the collect calls. Rumor has it sometimes they purposely drop calls so you have to pay for the first minute again.

    9. Stamps are considered a form of currency.

    10. If you are in a prison fight, even if you’re the one being beaten and not beating, they’ll put you in the hole.



    • Bonnie Brae 8:13 am on February 21, 2014 Permalink | Reply

      I got invited to 3 Christmas parties at the mansion for work and missed all of them cause I was in (kill me now) – Iowa, with my hon and his family. I honestly don’t regret it at all. I just always wanted to go to a party there.

    • Bonnie Brae 8:14 am on February 21, 2014 Permalink | Reply

      Good article John. Interesting tid bits about the prison system.

    • localarts 8:22 am on February 21, 2014 Permalink | Reply

      .John, was there any mention of Launius? My dish package doesn’t included Discovery ID only Discovery. Was there any talk where McKenna served time back in the 70’s? I’m sure the show talked about McKenna’s narcotics escapades; I bet that where the Launius connection originates.

      Horace McKenna was a scary guy; Ronnie must have been a little crazy to associate with him!

      • John 8:32 am on February 21, 2014 Permalink | Reply

        No, to the Launius and jail time discussion, but I rec’d a 10 minute phone call in the middle and will re-watch it tonight. I was looking at Terri’s FB page and she has some photos of Big Mac. That dude was huge!! A guy emailed the blog last week saying he was in the service with Mac and that they were training together for ‘Nam but never got sent there. He was buds with him and was there when Mac won the “Mr. El Toro” contest in the 70s. Ugh. My little brother used to be into bodybuilding and I hate that whole scene.

      • John 8:40 am on February 21, 2014 Permalink | Reply

        This episode will eventually get posted to YouTube and I will find it and save it. I’m always looking for Mort Downey, Wonderland stuff, etc. I will add this to my list.

      • John 10:12 am on February 21, 2014 Permalink | Reply

        If a cop says they knew each other, then they probably did. I’m sure Fat Howard knew Weiss and McKenna too….. (I’d love to be a fly on the wall in Mike Wood’s jail cell when he opens my letter and I’m asking about Launius “What kind of nut is this guy?” LOL)

        Ronald Launius was another thief, and a drug dealer, who police learned had associated with Weiss. Though he was investigated, there was never any evidence to connect him to the slaying.

        On July 1, 1981, Launius, 37, was one of four people beaten to death in a Laurel Canyon drug den. A former Hollywood nightclub owner and his bodyguard were charged last year with killing the victims in revenge for a robbery.

        Orozco says Launius earlier had been associated with Horace McKenna, a former California Highway Patrol officer who operated a string of bars featuring nude dancers. McKenna was believed by police to have ties to prostitution, counterfeiting, narcotics and gambling in the Los Angeles area.

      • John 3:25 pm on February 22, 2014 Permalink | Reply

        Remember the Vic Weiss sports promoter guy… I wonder if Big Mac was the big guy, or if Ron was one of the three guys?

        A witness told police that he had seen the Rolls pull to the curb on a street in Encino and a white Cadillac with three men in it stop behind. The witness said Weiss got out of his car and two men–one described as a 6-foot, 6-inch blond–got out of the Cadillac.

        The witness said the blond man angrily pointed a finger in Weiss’ face as he spoke to him. After a few moments, Weiss got back in his car, the blond man got in the back seat behind him and the third man got in the front. Then the Rolls and the Cadillac drove away.

        As detectives delved into Weiss’ background, they became confident that the witness had seen Weiss’ killers. They learned that Weiss maintained a life style that belied his true financial worth. They learned that many of his associates were involved in organized crime.

      • John 9:50 am on March 5, 2014 Permalink | Reply

        The City Confidential episode about Big Mac is now 10 years old… (2003). I am still looking for it….

        Here’s what the New York Times said 10 years ago about the promising new crime show:

        That mood is enhanced by the show’s secret weapon: the voiceover narration provided by Paul Winfield. Sounding alternately laconic, arch, even patrician, Mr. Winfield seems to be getting a kick out of the tongue-in-cheek (I presume) text provided for him by the show’s writers. In an episode about carnival freaks in Gibsonton, Fla., focusing on the slaying of Grady Stiles Jr., better known because of his malformed hands and feet as Lobster Boy, Mr. Winfield gets to say, ”It’s never over till the bearded fat lady sings,” and, ”Two of the hands clapping were claws.” The show on the killing of a Los Angeles strip club entrepreneur named Horace ”Big Mac” McKenna, which has its premiere this Wednesday, is chockablock with lines Mickey Spillane would have tossed, among them, ”The news blew through like a sailor with a pocketful of greenbacks.’

      • John 9:58 am on March 5, 2014 Permalink | Reply

        Big Mac could have met Ronnie in prison…the 1976 conviction would put him close to Ron serving out his final year or so in SoCal.

        Horace McKenna, who served in the California Highway Patrol from 1968 to 1972, was convicted in 1976 of counterfeiting and convicted in 1982 of parole violation after he was arrested on suspicion of assaulting an off-duty police officer.

        McKenna and Woods were obviously skimming the profits at the clubs. McKenna was said to only claim a salary of $44,000 a year at the time of his death. You can’t afford a 30 acre estate with that kind of salary.

    • dreamweaverjenn 10:24 am on February 21, 2014 Permalink | Reply

      DEFINITELY would NOT want to meet McKenna in a dark alley! He was scary!

      • foxychoplins 9:26 am on March 6, 2014 Permalink | Reply

        Mac Mckenna may have looked scary, and to many men he was scary. Young lady, If you had met up with him in a dark alley, that Big Teddy Bear would have nothing for you but a smile to light your way.

        • dreamweaverjenn 10:40 am on March 6, 2014 Permalink

          You’re probably right. I’m sure he was charming with the ladies…..

    • localarts 6:35 pm on February 21, 2014 Permalink | Reply

      Hulk Hogan vs. Horace McKenna in a loser leave town match, my money would be on McKenna!

    • criticextraordinaire 7:13 pm on February 21, 2014 Permalink | Reply

      Nicole Brown Simpson looks pretty hot in that picture with Dawn.

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