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  • John 2:25 pm on October 17, 2013 Permalink | Reply
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    Holmes Fried (2003 Article) 

    Just another scathing review. 10 years ago this week! Tomorrow, there is a great alternative city magazine article coming…stay tuned! “Gunning For Eddie!” is the title.

    Some critics have a really bad taste for the characters and the real people in Wonderland, and I can understand that. Similarly, I never understood Truman Capote’s love or fascination for that family murderer from In Cold Blood. But, I guess that if I spent six years interviewing Eddie Nash, then we too might become bro’s. Hell, Greg Diles could drive us to SONIC in one of Ed’s convertibles for some brown bag specials.

    Holmes Fried

    Wonderland’s tale of a porn star’s decline might have had resonance if any of it felt real

    by Jean Oppenheimer | Phoenix New Times | Thursday, October 16, 2003

    If you lie down with dogs, you’ve got to expect to get up with fleas. And when you go to a movie about a coked-out former porn star who was implicated in the grisly murders of four lowlife drug-dealers — a case which remains “officially” unsolved to this day — well, you’d better figure on a full medicated bath afterwards because a flea collar just ain’t going to do it.

    In fact, a shower is exactly what you’ll want to take after watching this fact-based crime drama about the brutal 1981 slaying of four people who were bludgeoned to death inside a home on Wonderland Avenue in a well-to-do section of Los Angeles. (Given the LaLa Land setting, the title is obviously a play on words — and worlds). Adult film star John Holmes (Val Kilmer), the king of 1970′s porn flicks, was suspected in the murders and, while he was eventually charged (which occurs after the film ends and is alluded to merely in a postscript), he was also acquitted.

    Director Paul Thomas Anderson‘s 1997 film Boogie Nights might seem the obvious comparison (the fictional character of Dirk Diggler in that picture was loosely based on Holmes), but Wonderland is not interested in the big man’s porn activities. Rather, it focuses on the murders and the events leading up to them.

    The film opens after Holmes’ “acting” career has ended. A coke addict and petty criminal, he has burned most of his friends but is never above hatching one more plot. Hoping to share in the spoils, he tells scumbag Ron Launius (Josh Lucas, once again an unnervingly convincing hedonist and sociopath) about a stash of drugs and money that reptilian drug dealer Eddie Nash (Eric Bogosian), another Holmes associate, has hidden in his house. With his partners in crime, Billy Deverell (Tim Blake Nelson) and biker David Lind (an unrecognizable Dylan McDermott in a nice change of pace for him), Launius stages a home invasion.

    The cocky Launius makes the mistake of humiliating but not killing Nash, and it doesn’t take Eddie long to get Holmes to rat out his friends. Whether Holmes joined in the revenge killings of Launius, Deverell and two women (Lind wasn’t home at the time) could never be proven.

    Director and co-writer James Cox goes for a highly stylized look: hyper-active hand-held camera, quick cuts, split screens, blown-out whites and a preponderance of in-your-face close-ups shot from every conceivable angle. There is a dishwater brown tint to the film, which has been shot and/or processed to give it a grainy, textured look. It’s so treated it looks fake. Certain scenes play out as if shot under a strobe black light — dark, indistinct, and slightly hallucinatory. The violence is visceral and graphic.

    Cox’s approach to the material is understandable; he wants to convey the moral ugliness of this world and the hopped-up frenzy of its permanently high inhabitants. But while this may be exactly the way to tell the story, at times it feels as if Cox is just showing off what he can do: lots of style but not much else. One thing is certain: he has carried off his particular vision with aplomb.

    The problem is that the characters are such creepy, despicable vermin that you can’t connect with any of them (not even Lisa Kudrow, who does a nice turn as Holmes’ estranged wife, or a dark-haired Kate Bosworth as his girlfriend). As good as all the actors are — Kilmer excels at just this sort of scuzzy creature — they are basically given just one dimension to play. Some people really are that irredeemable, of course, but presenting a film in which the viewer ends up recoiling from (or being completely indifferent to) everybody makes for a flat film. Not that psychological insight would redeem any of these sleaze balls, but it might help the viewer get drawn into their story, much as audiences were able to see the characters in Boogie Nights as flawed, morally questionable, even pathetic — but nonetheless real — people.

     
    • criticextraordinaire 5:57 pm on October 17, 2013 Permalink | Reply

      The writer of that article seems just a tad judgmental. :-(

      • scabiesoftherat 1:29 am on October 18, 2013 Permalink | Reply

        I suppose it’s his job to do that. All I know is that I watched that movie, straight, without so much as a pause for a bathroom break,….then, when it ended and went to the DVD main menu, I hit play and did the same exact thing again. I believe that, over Boogie Nights, THIS is truer to the story than anything. I mean, you could just feel 1981 in this flick and you could just feel the characters. They were one dimensional because they WERE one dimensional. How can he criticize Cox for that?

        • John 8:24 am on October 18, 2013 Permalink

          Yes, nothing wrong with being one dimensional. In movies like Blow and a few other classics, there’s time for a love story and raising kids. That would have been anti-Wonderland and boring as shit.

      • James DelCol 11:51 am on October 25, 2013 Permalink | Reply

        He’s a bit backed up. He needs to get laid. Has he ever gotten laid? He knows nothing of art that is for sure. If serving our country for ten years during a war is not redeemable, I don’t know what is. Every life is redeemable according to every religious theory on the planet. Even Ron could have been redeemed if given a proper place to go to clean out.

        Wonderland and LA during this period is a culture study. During this time was the birth of modern day heavy metal. So you could go hear Motley Crue, an 80′s new wave band or The Runaways and Joan Jett. Then you could go up to the Canyon Store and get some Seconal and hang out at the Wonderland house. Can’t do that anymore. It is a much more underground scene and far more inglorious now. People used to party for a purpose. Their music was more politically charged than the rest of LA during this time. Motley Crue was not going to sing an anti-war song.
        According to this guy’s article, everyone who parties up is a “sleaze ball”. Is that really how it is? Sometimes people who venture out of their traditional landscape become more creative. So, stop going to church and go get some “Goddamn mutha….. SMACK!!!!” I’m joking, that is the wrong drug.

        Most drugs are considered no good. Marijuana is gaining some strength out there. People are ok with herb. Drinking and just about any other drug will screw up your life. I think MDMA will gain in acceptance over the years. They are treating Iraqi and Afghani Vets with PTSD with MDMA. It will be available to the public in the next 10 years. Ron Launius and other people who became addicted had to show us all and we had to learn the lessons of how not to party. Dealers never seem to learn because they are rewarded until they are put in jail.

        End WOT and War on Drugs. Legalize. Neither war are going to work. They will not prevent one terrorist attack or save one life from drug overdose until the US changes course politically and legally. We’re in an awful mess right now. We are creating enemies to hold onto our huge military and police forces. We seem to have a need to keep cops and soldiers busy.

        We are currently making terrorists and enemies all over the world with our drone strikes and secret spy tactics. We need to change course politically and legally. Restore the 4th amendment and let the ACLU argue its cases in the Supreme Court. Abolish FISA court. Treatment instead of jail time for addicts.

        I would have given Ron Launius a chance to get it right. Introduce him to some sober people and connect him with sober people. Maybe he would turn around. Addicts can get this done, if they try. Either way, locking them up does nothing. In fact, an addict if so inclined can get drugs in jail as they do on the street. They worsen in jail. I would call for extended rehab instead of jail time. We have to use reason and our intellect to understand that it isn’t eye for an eye that works best.

  • John 12:46 pm on October 16, 2013 Permalink | Reply  

    Photo Gallery For National Boss Day 

    Is there a day to celebrate everything now.

    What I do know is that tomorrow is Barbara Easton Richardson’s birthday and this Friday is the 7th anniversary of Tracy McCourt’s passing. It seems just like yesterday when we were running through the fields.

    Enjoy the photos~

     
    • Bonnie Brae 5:24 pm on October 16, 2013 Permalink | Reply

      love the pics!!!!!!!

      • criticextraordinaire 5:34 pm on October 16, 2013 Permalink | Reply

        I love “The Big D” drive-in picture. Back where I grew up, there was a local drive-in called The Dependable Drive Inn. It was strictly 100% porn. They would run a “Johnny Wadd Film Festival” and serve free coffee and donuts at dawn. We always called the place “The Big D”. :-D

        • John 9:07 am on October 17, 2013 Permalink

          Good times! When I turned 11, my older bro and his buddy with a license took me to see some softcore porn at our local drive in. Best birthday ever!! We saw Flesh Gordon and some summer camp T&A flick. Ridiculous! I had to hide in the trunk to get in.

      • M. Cooke 1:14 am on October 20, 2013 Permalink | Reply

        Just myself but I always thought Elizabeth Montgomery who happen be in 1 of the photos was the sharpest woman in Hollywood if not world wide. She just had wonderful face plus body to go with it.. That was photo I not seen of her before.. Too late because of her untimely dead but I sure allow her eat crackers in bed with myself.

        • John 9:57 am on October 20, 2013 Permalink

          She was always my favorite too. A beautiful, talented lady.

    • Bobby 3:32 am on October 17, 2013 Permalink | Reply

      Anyone here played Grand Theft Auto 5? With this version of the game they’ve recreated L.A replete with a Laurel Canyon/Hollywood Hills -esque area. I cruised around looking for the Wonderland house but couldn’t find it. LOL!!

      • John 8:18 am on October 17, 2013 Permalink | Reply

        No but it sounds awesome if it has that in it. One could easily create a Wonderland video game.

      • Tori 1:26 pm on October 17, 2013 Permalink | Reply

        Yes gta 5!!!! Totally think of laurel canyon when cruising the hills!!! It’s a wonderland thing!!! Lol

  • John 6:47 am on October 15, 2013 Permalink | Reply
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    Tracy McCourt Photograph – Circa 2006 

    Special thanks to SteelAddict for sharing this incredible find. This is what he had to say:

    Attached is a pic of Tracy not too long before he died.  I pulled this from the Colorado prison system inmate locator a few months before he passed.  I think he was out of jail when he died though.

    Tracy’s Find-A-Grave Memorial

    Read EVERY post about Tracy that is on this blog - Thanks to Bonnie, you can even take a video drive down Lemp Street, where he was living at the time of the robbery and murders. You can also read his testimony from 1982, see the other places he lived, check his criminal past and of course read about his love life. I simply cannot believe that more authors did not try to track him down for quotes in books and articles. Hell, maybe they did and he told them to get lost. So many questions.

    If I’m reading that height chart correctly, Tracy was about 5’7″ tall. When I zoomed in on the original bmp file, I could read his prison ID tag: MCCOURT, then TRACY below it, while the rest was too hard to decipher.

    Colorado Prison System

    Colorado Prison System. Tracy is about 57 years old here.

    Bonus!  John Holmes defense attorney, Earl Hansen, in high school:

    earl-hansen

     
    • John 7:08 am on October 15, 2013 Permalink | Reply

      Oh Lord, I just noticed he’s probably one of those pony tail guys.

      • Bobby 3:26 am on October 17, 2013 Permalink | Reply

        What a great find guys! No doubt about it that’s Tracy.. the eyes and nose are a dead giveaway. The whole Wonderland debacle would’ve taken its toll on the guy. He was damn lucky to have had the foresight to hightail it outta there after the money was split.
        So this would mean there are prison photos of Eddie Nash floating around too? Betcha there ain’t anyone who visits this blog who wouldn’t want to get a gander at those! ;)

    • Bonnie Brae 10:03 am on October 15, 2013 Permalink | Reply

      Mr. Sensitive man with a pony tail. ha ha
      Great find.

    • localarts 12:37 pm on October 15, 2013 Permalink | Reply

      That’s McCourt, has the same eyes. I think Wonderland took its toll on Tracy as well, he looks more like 67. It still amazes me that McCourt & Deverell were still going to rob Nash after Launius and Lind backed out. A prison interview with McCourt right after the movie premier would have been nice. I think Tracy McCourt had a bigger ax to grind with David Lind than Holmes.

      • John W 3:51 pm on October 15, 2013 Permalink | Reply

        If Tracy McCourt was still kickin, he is just a vague enough person to be on Dancin With The Stars, same goes for Dawn and Susan… And most of all Eddie!! And Laurie Holmes.

        • criticextraordinaire 5:56 pm on October 15, 2013 Permalink

          Well I definitely could see Dawn signing up for DWTS. She could use it as a platform for the E.S.T.E.A.M. effort she promotes.

          And team Laurie up with Ron Jeremy. Dancing with the Porn Stars! Unfortunately Susan would not be able to participate since her injuries I am pretty sure preclude her from a dance competition. Eddie could be guest judge on “Empire Night”… each couple dances a routine that fits with one of Eddie’s famous venues like the Seven Seas, Soul’d Out, Kit Kat, Odyssey, etc… I’d tune in and watch that.

      • criticextraordinaire 6:02 pm on October 15, 2013 Permalink | Reply

        Problem is, much like he was cheated out of his cut of the Nash loot, Tracy was largely left on the cutting room floor when the movie was produced. Such a shame too. He could have really added perspective to the story of the planning of the Nash hit.

        You can pretty much figure that right after the Wonderland murders, Tracy was crapping his pants and wondering if he was gonna be next. :-O

        • John 8:26 am on October 16, 2013 Permalink

          Indeed! Some great observations about Tracy. The murders were so awful and shocking, that in his testimony, Tracy says he forgot a lot of details because he had to basically push things out of his mind, as to forget, or at best try to forget these horrible images of his friends and their demise. That trauma will leave anyone with a few screws loose.

      • John 12:11 pm on October 23, 2013 Permalink | Reply

        I saw this post on the forum at Dawn’s blog.
        Tracy certainly did live there, and was married twice there in Kentucky. He’s kind of old to be going back to school but that span is when he moved back to KY from California. But, if he was a veteran, he could’ve have swung the GI Bill for free schooling. I just don’t see someone making up a story like this:

        “Back in the mid/late 1980s, I was finishing up at Eastern Kentucky University, and we had a guy on our floor who claimed to be Tracy Ray McCourt – and claimed to have been a part of this… Had a bunch of jailhouse tats, including some sort of Beatles thing on his chest (IIRC – might have been a different band). Had a serious rap for the (considerably younger than he was) ladies, and laid it on pretty thick… Could this have been the same guy?

        If so… Can’t say as I overly mourn him, but he did make life around him interesting…”

        • John 12:13 pm on October 23, 2013 Permalink

          and he did marry girls that were 12-15 years younger than he was… all 3 of his marriages are posted on this blog.

    • localarts 11:16 am on October 16, 2013 Permalink | Reply

      Very true. I don’t think McCourt was too surprised by what happened. If you’ll remember right after the Nash hit McCourt said he went out to the balcony and saw a Lincoln Continental pull up, just like the one at Nash’s place. McCourt said he tried to warn everybody but they were too high to care and he got “really nervous” and left. At least Tracy was smart enough to split!

    • John 11:40 am on October 16, 2013 Permalink | Reply

      I like how in the prelim testimony at Holmes trial, David Lind is very articulate and quite intelligent sounding, but 10 years later with the Nash/Diles trials he is a sorry sight, and can barely keep it together, quite emotional, etc. He was carrying some major baggage too, for unlike Tracy, he got a girl killed by his actions. That’s a truckload of guilt to have on your shoulders.

      • criticextraordinaire 2:45 pm on October 16, 2013 Permalink | Reply

        Interesting to see David progress from his high school years as a dude who looked like he would be “accountant of the year”… To a streetwise biker/drug dealing, prostitute hanging badass… To Mort Downey… To an out of control witness… To a broken down drug statistic.

        He coulda been a contender. Maybe we’ll see somebody come forward and do a biography of David.

    • localarts 2:09 pm on October 16, 2013 Permalink | Reply

      I followed Eddie’s trial back in 90; I wish I had saved those newspapers. Carrying that kind of guilt for nearly ten years wore on Lind, it had to. I honestly believe Lind didn’t care whether he lived or died and that may have explained why he acted the way he did.

      John Holmes was also listed in the indictment. They may have been going after Holmes on conspiracy to commit murder, not sure though. It really didn’t make any sense, the guy had been dead for nearly two years.

      • criticextraordinaire 2:42 pm on October 16, 2013 Permalink | Reply

        They added Holmes to the bill simply to be able to file RICO charges. You need 5 accused conspirators (dead or alive) in order to file on RICO.

        • John 2:45 pm on October 16, 2013 Permalink

          I would have loved to have been a fly on the wall at these trials. Especially the hung jury at 11-1. Eddie was sweating bullets and was lucky to get out of that scrape. Luckily, a poor young kid was on the jury with a craving for quick cash. She’s not talking to me, so she must know that Eddie is still alive, and she’s scared.

        • John 10:01 am on October 18, 2013 Permalink

          Here’s the 5 conspirators:

          Five of Nash’s associates, including two now dead, were named as
          unindicted co-conspirators:
          * Hovsep Mikaelian, also known as Joe McLean, 49, of North
          Hollywood, accused of supervising the storage, distribution and sale of
          illicit drugs for Nash. Mikaelian is serving a 14-year federal prison
          term on a 1997 conviction for narcotics trafficking, wire fraud and tax
          evasion.
          * Mikaelian’s brother, Hrant, 45, also of North Hollywood, accused
          in the indictment of drug trafficking, wire fraud and money laundering.
          He pleaded guilty last year in an unrelated international money
          laundering case and is to be sentenced later this year.
          * Harry Diramarian, 58, of Pasadena, an accountant who worked for
          Nash and the Mikaelians. He was alleged to have been involved in the
          drug ring’s money laundering and bribery activities. Diramarian is
          awaiting sentencing in an unrelated $600,000 tax evasion scheme.
          * Gregory DeWitt Diles, Nash’s 300-pound bodyguard, who was
          described in the indictment as a participant in the Laurel Canyon
          murders. He died in 1995.
          * John Curtis Holmes, a pornographic film star, accused in the
          indictment of trafficking drugs and taking part in the killings. Holmes
          was tried in the slayings in 1982 and was acquitted. He died in 1988 of
          AIDS complications.

      • Beth 4:01 pm on October 17, 2013 Permalink | Reply

        Apparently people are still scared of Eddie even though he’s so old. I asked Dawn several questions on FB, about her dad, Susan, etc and she said she can’t answer anything because it wouldn’t be “safe”. Would really love to see someone do a news story on him and try to get an interview. Someone call Dateline!! :P

    • localarts 3:03 pm on October 16, 2013 Permalink | Reply

      From what I understand Eddie slept through most of the trial. Mike Sager said Eddie would go out to the parking lot during recess and pop Quaaludes and his attorneys had to stick him with an ink pen to wake him up.

      Attorney: Wake up Ed you’re innocent
      Eddie: Huh? What? Oh, that’s great. Hey let me borrow that pen, I need to sign a check for juror number 3

      • scabiesoftherat 11:21 pm on October 16, 2013 Permalink | Reply

        Hell, Phil Spector was pretty much asleep when they sentenced him. Nerves of steel on Nash and Spector,…nerves of steel. (Or lots of Xanax)

        • John 9:06 am on October 17, 2013 Permalink

          I guess Phil’s first trial was a mistrial. That’s the one that featured all of his outlandish hairstyles. For the second time around, I saw in an interview where his lawyer said “Please Phil, limit it to one hairdo this time dude you’re killing it with the jury man!” LOL

    • Tori 1:20 pm on October 17, 2013 Permalink | Reply

      This is great! Wish we could’ve had more on McCourt !

      • Tori 1:21 pm on October 17, 2013 Permalink | Reply

        John do u know what Tracy was in for at that time?

        • John 2:28 pm on October 17, 2013 Permalink

          Drugs and beating up his brother and mom. Actually, I think he stabbed or cut his bro with a knife. Click on that link at the top I shared, it lists his crimes in Colorado. I think he was mostly in there for drugs though. He was busted for forging prescriptions in the 1970s.

    • Betty Boop 8:27 am on November 19, 2013 Permalink | Reply

      I knew Tracy very well while he attended EKU. I was a den mother of sorts to him & his college roomates. He loved to come to our house to be a part of a southern, country style family. When Tracy first spoke of his involvement in the Eddie Nash caper we thought he was really full of it only to find he was telling the truth. He repeatedly landed in jail in Madison County, but was always released to our amazement. I later learned it was because the LA police told Madison Co. to let him go. I guess when they arrested him here & ran his name his record came up which prompted them to contact Orange Co They eventually came to EKU pulled out of class & offered him money & a new identity to testify in the trial against Nash. They flew him & wife Joni out to LA. Put them up during the trial. When it was over he got nothing thye promised him. That was when the family packed up & moved to Colorado. He was always looking over his shoulder & justifiably so, He spoke rarely of the murders, it pained him deeply. He did speak of the ordeal in depth on more then one occasion. I knew the name of his daughter & have been in contact with her. We talked about the movie & I commented on the very small acclaim they gave his character. She replied w/ information that sounded so Tracy McCourt. She told me that her dad couldn’t leave well enough alone & kept buggin’ the crap out of them for more money for his part or information he could give. He called them so much that he pissed them off and cut his recognition of involvement to what we saw on the screen. So typical Tracy never being satisfied, always wanting more. Those of us who knew him here had a genuine fondness for him & his crazy ways. He could be extreme with his desire for drugs & alcohol, but I reckon’ that’s what addicts do.
      I used to take him to his grandmother’s house several counties over where I met his family on more then 1 occasion. His mother made stained glass. I saw several beautiful pieces she had made. His grandmother was wonderful!!! His brother was there as well but his name slips my memory. Last time I heard from Tracy was in ’97. He called from Colorado wanting to stop & visit on his way to Florida. He never showed. I wondered about him from time to time. It was only when I made contact w/ his daughter that I learned of his passing. She told me it was HepC. That was no surprise to me. RIP TRACY. LOL He loved to think he looked like Huey Lewis!!!!

  • John 7:19 am on October 14, 2013 Permalink | Reply
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    Specter of AIDS Triggers Deathly Fear in Porn Industry 

    Thanks to steeladdict for sharing.

    Here’s an article related to the LA porn industry in 1987. A couple interesting quotes from Amerson including (words to the effect) “AIDS might be a good thing for the porn business” and “Gay porn actors would be better off robbing liquor stores”.

    Bill Amerson at the 6th annual Erotica Awards. Early 80s.

    Specter of AIDS Triggers Deathly Fear in Pornography Industry
    RUSSELL KISHI. Los Angeles Times. Aug 16, 1987.

    The perennially controversial and perennially lucrative pornography industry, which tends to shrug off the bruises it receives from government and moral activists, is deathly afraid of the latest threat against it.

    Insiders have generally viewed government studies and the occasional publicity from underage actresses as something of a nuisance rather than a threat. The government itself, after all, estimates porn profits last year at between $8 billion and $10 billion. And the industry estimates that Americans rented 104 million X-rated videocassettes from video retailers last year in spite of the negative publicity.

    New, More Serious Threat

    But the specter of the sexually transmitted disease AIDS could very possibly damage the X-rated film industry in ways that legislation and law enforcement could never hope to achieve.

    It is an alarming prospect, perhaps, but a logical conclusion based on conversations about the acquired immune deficiency syndrome with people who produce hard-core films and a law enforcement officer who has spent 15 years studying the phenomenon in Southern California-generally considered the capital of the porn industry.

    “There have been people in the pornographic business who have been diagnosed with AIDS,” said Sgt. Don Smith of the Los Angeles Police Department’s vice division.

    “Now the scare is in and the industry is absolutely afraid of AIDS.”

    “Because of that, it’s harder to get people to come into the industry. I know of two sources who have reportedly got AIDS in the industry. By sources (I’m referring to) performers. I really can’t comment any further on it, but (details will be) coming out shortly.”

    Sharon Mitchell, a 12-year veteran of pornographic films, disagrees.

    “That’s a rumor,” she said of the reports of AIDS among porn actors. “It’s not so. It’s hearsay.”
    Mitchell, who estimates she has performed sexual acts in approximately 700 films, said: “A lot of people seem to love the gossip factor. Those two people who have been accused do not have AIDS. I have been with them and they both deny it.”

    It is difficult to elaborate or speculate on Smith’s statements because of the very nature of the business itself-a business that prides itself in its ability to protect its performers under a First Amendment umbrella.

    Beyond that, Bill Amerson’s 20 years in the pornographic trade tell him that if any performer had indeed tested positive for AIDS, they would not necessarily be willing to disclose the finding to their co-workers.

    Carrying Tales Out of School

    “I don’t think anyone would tell anybody,” Amerson said matter-of-factly.
    Amerson’s position in hard-core films might be comparable to the so-called moguls who established and reigned over the major movie studios during Hollywood’s most prolific era.

    He moved away from conventional film production and gravitated toward pornographic features during the late 1960s as it became clear that the nation’s moral standards were becoming more liberal and a huge profit could be made as hard-core films moved from peep shows to big screens.
    He still maintains a production and distribution facility in the San Fernando Valley, but complains that the porn trade is “no longer fun,” in large part because of the AIDS crisis. Despite accumulating a fortune of several million dollars he is looking to abandon the business entirely.

    “It’s not a good thing for the country that people are getting AIDS,” Amerson said, “but as far as the pornography thing goes, maybe it is a good thing.

    “To me, porno is getting worse. It’s getting sleazier, more disgusting. I haven’t shot a picture for six, eight months. I probably will not shoot any more X-rated films. I just don’t have the heart, the feeling for it anymore.

    “I’m tired of dealing with the dregs of humanity.”

    And those sentiments, he insisted, are shared by many porn performers.

    “I talked to Jamie Gillis the other night,” Amerson said of a former leading man who might be described as a B-grade John Holmes in the hierarchy of porno stars.

    “He called me from New York. Jamie’s driving a taxi. He said he’s waiting for some R-rated work. He said he will never make another X-rated film.

    “These are the smart people. I was with Amber (former queen of X-rated films) last week. I had lunch with her. She said, `You can’t get me in front of a camera with somebody else.’

    “The people who don’t have a lot of intelligence, people who think it (AIDS) can’t, it’s never going to happen to them” will continue to work in hard-core films, Amerson said.

    “And there are people who just don’t care. Most of the time they’re jacked up on drugs. Unfortunately our industry is full of it.”

    Estimates are that an unknown performer can earn between $500 and $750 per day working in hard-core films. A proven moneymaker can earn between $1,500 and $2,000 a day.

    But, “It’s usually a very short-lived career,” Smith said.

    “A lot of girls are what we call `six-monthers.’ After that, they get burned out. Some of the big stars are completely burned out after two or three years.”

    Although the careers are short, the risk of AIDS is intense.

    “You’ve got numerous sexual partners,” Smith said. “You have sodomy. . . . The majority of the people that I’ve talked to have been involved in drugs, and by that I mean intravenous drug use. So you’ve got to say there are two strikes against them (in terms of AIDS risk).”

    Performing in hard-core homosexual films, Amerson said, “is like playing Russian roulette with six bullets.

    “If I were gay, instead of making a gay film I would rather rob a liquor store if I needed money that badly,” he said.

    “The worst thing that could happen would be you’d go to jail.”

    The overall risk has been further complicated, Smith added, with the advent of bisexual, or “crossover” films.

    “You have homosexual males and females involved in the same film,” Smith said. “Many performers who have been involved in sexually explicit male films have made the crossover and are now doing the bisexual films.

    “Because of that you would think there would be a greater possibility that someone within the industry would contract (AIDS) and end up giving the disease to someone in the heterosexual industry as a result.”

    John H. Weston, legal counsel for the Adult Film and Video Assn. of America, said it has become commonplace for producers he represents to demand AIDS testing of all performers before a single frame is shot.

    “Many of the actors and actresses themselves are utilizing safe sex techniques,” Weston said. “Some women are using a particular spermicide which has apparently been medically sanctioned as being protective against AIDS. Many of the men are increasingly using condoms.

    “I think AIDS at the production level is a factor. It’s a phenomenon. People are going to have to function in a very careful, protective way. I think they should. Nothing is worth a human life.”
    One person who sees no reason to change is Mitchell.

    “I don’t participate in any high-risk sex,” she said. “Since the AIDS crisis we have outlawed anal scenes by our own choice.

    “I don’t feel pressured by (the AIDS epidemic). I like the people. I’ve found my niche.”

     
  • John 9:51 am on October 11, 2013 Permalink | Reply
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    Bogosian: My Eddie Nash Has Nothing To Do With Molina’s 

    I enjoyed both movies, but Alfred Molina’s Nash really creeped me out. This is mostly because I didn’t know what the Asian houseboy lighting firecrackers was doing there. If it was a pedo thing, then even THE NASH does not deserve that liberal interpretation of his character. He was a family man for pete’s sake!

    Have a great weekend!

    You got the touch!!

    Yea, whatever!

    Another Eddie

    In James Cox’s film ”Wonderland,” the writer and performance artist Eric Bogosian plays Eddie Nash, a Los Angeles nightclub entrepreneur whose testy, drug-fueled friendship with the adult film star John Holmes (Val Kilmer) led to the grisly deaths of four people in a revenge killing.

    The real-life Mr. Nash was also the basis for one of the most memorable characters in Paul Thomas Anderson’s 1997 ”Boogie Nights”: Alfred Molina’s Rahad Jackson, a dissolute club owner whom the film’s Holmes-like protagonist (Mark Wahlberg) ill-advisedly tries to rob. Comparisons are inevitable, all the more so because Mr. Bogosian, like Mr. Molina, spends most of his performance in a loosely tied bathrobe.

    ”Freddie Molina doing that Eddie Nash — which isn’t really Eddie Nash, but something inspired by him — is one of the great performances of the last decade,” said Mr. Bogosian, talking over a drink at the Toronto International Film Festival where ”Wonderland” had its premiere. ”And I came in knowing that. But once we started on this, we were in such a different place that it was never an issue. My Eddie Nash has nothing to do with Freddie Molina’s Eddie Nash. We’re dressed almost exactly the same, but you can’t even think of the two characters in the same place — it’s like they’re in two different worlds.”

    Source: NY Times. 10-08-2003.

     

     
    • Bobby 3:42 am on October 17, 2013 Permalink | Reply

      I recall PT Anderson stating in an interview that he was attracted to the myth that surrounded the Eddie Nash character and Molina’s character was born from this. He liked the idea of a the guy getting about in his bathers, coated in a thin film of sweat, smoking freebase. It sure is an intriguing yet slightly repulsive portrait.

      • John 9:00 am on October 17, 2013 Permalink | Reply

        He is an awesome character. 2 movies were made about him pretty much. Makes a great Hollywood story.

        • Bobby 10:26 am on October 17, 2013 Permalink

          If I’m not mistaken the French film “La Haine” has a scene with a drugged out character in a robe (or maybe just in jocks… kinda foggy on this as it’s been ages since I’ve watched it) playing Russian roulette and freaking out the main protagonists. I always thought “Boogie Nights” was ripping off or at least homaging this film. The Molina scene is so similar it’s ridiculous!

        • Bobby 10:33 am on October 17, 2013 Permalink

          Found it!
          Scene with the crazy Asterix character begins at the 1:50 mark:

          Tell me this isn’t pretty damn close to “Boogie Nights”!

  • John 7:18 am on October 11, 2013 Permalink | Reply
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    Nash Lawyer Defended DeLorean, Al Cowlings & Snoop Dogg 

    Brought to you by Harvey Levin Productions.

    Brought to you by Harvey Levin Productions.

    And they all got off, for the most part. I need to put Donald Re’s number in my cellphone but I can’t afford him.

    The TMZ head honcho, Harvey Levin, is also quoted. That TMZ show is THE WORST! All they do is hang out at LAX and wait for B-lister celebs & rappers to come walking by. Yeah, that’s great reporting. It’s highly financed paparazzi machine!

    Station Retracts Report on Simpson Prosecutor | July 16, 1994

    A television station today retracted a report that a prosecutor had been videotaped at O. J. Simpson’s estate before a search warrant was issued.

    “We want to apologize,” said Harvey Levin, a reporter for the station, KCBS, during a noon newscast. “We now have reason to believe that we made a mistake in one of our reports.”

    The station had said that Marcia Clark, the assistant District Attorney in charge of the Simpson case, was at Mr. Simpson’s house on June 13 at least 17 minutes before the warrant was signed by a judge at 10:45 A.M. The station said its videotape showing Ms. Clark there had been automatically stamped with the time when it was transmitted to the station.

    But today the station said the time marked on the tape might indicate that the tape had been transmitted at 10:28 P.M., not 10:28 A.M., as had been reported earlier. The later transmission time would mean that the video could not be used to determine whether Ms. Clark was on the property before or after the warrant was issued. It would indicate only that she was there sometime during the day.

    The District Attorney’s office has denied that Ms. Clark was at the Simpson house before the warrant was issued. Search Was in Question

    The report had raised questions about the legality of the search at Mr. Simpson’s estate the day after his former wife, Nicole Brown Simpson, and her friend Ronald L. Goldman were stabbed to death outside Ms. Simpson’s condominium.

    “We have reasonable doubt, so we are retracting the story,” said Sybil MacDonald, director of media relations for KCBS.

    Suzanne Childs, a spokeswoman for the District Attorney’s office, said that prosecutors appreciated the retraction, adding, “We are all very concerned about seeking fairness and justice.”

    Someone close to the investigation told The Associated Press that Ms. Clark had arrived at the house at 12:30 P.M. and had stayed about an hour to watch the search, which had already turned up bloodstains and a bloody glove.

    If Ms. Clark had helped search the estate before the warrant was issued, it would have enhanced the efforts of Mr. Simpson’s defense lawyers to persuade a judge to exclude from the trial any evidence seized at the mansion. Delay for Prosecutors

    In other developments in the case today, a judge granted prosecutors two more weeks to decide whether to charge Mr. Simpson’s longtime friend, Al Cowlings, with helping Mr. Simpson flee after murder charges were announced.

    A deputy District Attorney, Jaime Hernandez, told the judge that prosecutors were still investigating Mr. Cowlings’s role in the 60-mile freeway chase that was televised nationally on June 17.

    Mr. Cowlings, a former football teammate of Mr. Simpson, is free on $250,000 bail and has not been formally charged.

    The freeway chase, with Mr. Cowlings at the wheel and Mr. Simpson in the back with a gun to his own head, ended after Mr. Cowlings pulled into the driveway of Mr. Simpson’s home and Mr. Simpson surrendered.

    Outside court today, Mr. Cowlings’s lawyer, Donald Re, said Mr. Cowlings should be praised.

    “This man is a hero,” Mr. Re said of Mr. Cowlings, adding, “This man risked his life to try to save his friend, and he did it.” Mr. Re said Mr. Cowlings’s life had been in danger because the police might have shot him.

    Mr. Simpson’s lawyer, Robert L. Shapiro, has said that Mr. Simpson had planned to go to his former wife’s grave and commit suicide and that Mr. Cowlings had talked him out of it.

    Mr. Re said that if Mr. Simpson’s passport and $10,000 had been in the car during the chase, Mr. Cowlings had been unaware of them. The police said they had found the passport and cash in Mr. Cowlings’s vehicle after Mr. Simpson surrendered.

     
    • John 9:24 am on October 11, 2013 Permalink | Reply

      Donald Re also defended the two guys from the movie, Falcon and the Snowman…starring Spicoli and Timothy Hutton.

    • localarts 12:02 pm on October 11, 2013 Permalink | Reply

      That was a good move, remember it well. Nash was just another notch in Re’s belt but when it comes to defense attorney’s Gerry Spence is numero uno!

      • John 12:51 pm on October 11, 2013 Permalink | Reply

        But if you are suing somebody, then it’s Jackie Childs… (Seinfeld LOL)

    • localarts 5:02 pm on October 11, 2013 Permalink | Reply

      LOL!! Yes. None better than Jackie.

  • John 10:37 am on October 10, 2013 Permalink | Reply
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    Eddie’s Kit Kat Club In 1982 

    Get out your bucket list! The Kit Kat is here.

    This is a true crime blog and much of the theme centers around John Holmes. Thus, we are all a bit thick skinned, no pun intended, when it comes to seeing skin. If you don’t want to see clothed strippers (early 80s strippers), then go no further. You’ve been warned.

    That said, the Kit Kat Club was a gentlemen’s club owned by Eddie Nash. I am not sure if Greg Diles worked here, but Samuel Lawton Diles, his little brother did. You see, Sam did some time stemming from an assault at the Kit Kat Club. He smacked a city councilman’s drunken brother in the head with a gun. He did some prison time for this assault.

    Of all Eddie’s clubs, the few that I could not find photos for are the Soul’d Out Club, catering to black folks, and the Kit Kat Club. I can now cross Kit Kat from the bucket list.

    Photo credits:  Gary Leonard from the classic newspaper “Los Angeles Herald-Examiner”. RIP Herald!

     
    • John 10:46 am on October 10, 2013 Permalink | Reply

      LA Times: 1986.

      Police also suspected Diles’ brother, Samuel Lawton Diles.

      Samuel Diles, now 34, had been a bouncer at one of Nash’s clubs, the Kit Kat in Hollywood.
      In 1983, he was arrested after police said he hit Michael Nolan, the brother of Assemblyman Patrick Nolan, in the head with a gun. Diles went to prison on an assault conviction.

      • criticextraordinaire 4:13 pm on October 11, 2013 Permalink | Reply

        John, have you ever found any info on Tracy McCourt, the guy who drove the Ford Granada to the hit on Eddie’s place? I saw some stuff where he did time for various petty crimes well thru adulthood, but wonder if anybody knows more about him. He seems to be the odd man out from the Wonderland Gang.

        • John 7:23 am on October 14, 2013 Permalink

          Well, I have posted the post-Wonderland crimes that he committed and a few other things. I almost had his daughter and ex wife for an interview but they never responded back the second time. Do a search on McCourt or Tracy McCourt via the Search button, you’ll find more on him on this blog. Thanks for the feedback too, it’s always appreciated.

        • Sheila 12:48 pm on December 18, 2013 Permalink

          I read where he left CA and went to college in Kentucky. He moved to Colorado Springs and in 2002 he did some time for selling drugs again. He was successful in a Phone business and he died in 2006 of Hep C. He is buried in Denver CO. I think you can find it on Wikipedia.

    • Bonnie Brae 11:15 am on October 10, 2013 Permalink | Reply

      very cool pictoral.

    • localarts 12:13 pm on October 10, 2013 Permalink | Reply

      Like most successful business owners, Eddie diversified.

  • John 2:16 pm on October 9, 2013 Permalink | Reply
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    LA Times: Nash An “Impassive Cadaverous Man” In 1982 

    During his 1982 arson trial, Eddie Nash looked like an emotionless corpse.

    It had been a rough couple of years for Ed. Addiction and womanizing had ruined his marriage to Jeanna, his high school cheerleader bride. When they married in 1972, he was 44 and she was 21. They divorced in August of ’81. A month before the divorce was final, the Wonderland Gang pulled their home invasion job and the rest is history. You won’t hear Eddie reminiscing about the summer of ’81.

    Read on…

    Eddie Nash, early 1980s.

    Eddie Nash, circa 1980s.

    From LAistory.com:

    Eddie Nash: The Odyssey’s Owner a Legendary Criminal

    To understand a bit more about what forces were behind the Odyssey and nightclubbing in L.A. in the 70s and 80s, consider the club’s owner: None other than Eddie Nash, the man known ultimately for his role in the “Wonderland murders” and a local legend as a drug dealer and gangster. In fact, for many, many years, Nash (born Adel Gharib Nasrallah in Palestine) was considered one of the richest and most powerful drug dealers and criminals operating on the West Coast.

    Ed's front door on Dona Lola Place in Studio City, 1980s.

    Ed’s front door on Dona Lola Place in Studio City, 1980s.

    Nash owned several clubs in L.A. at the time, including the Starwood Club in West Hollywood, the Soul’d Out club in Hollywood, Paradise Ballroom, the Seven Seas, Ali Baba’s and The Kit Kat strip club. (The last piece of club real estate he owned he gave up only recently; the Seven Seas is in a building on Hollywood Boulevard that is now converted to retail space and houses an outpost of the clothing chain Zara.)

    One of the schemes Nash was associated with was arson-for-profit; a government informant linked him to the crimes, but in June 1982, Nash was acquitted. He also seemed just mildly inconvenienced by the ensuing trial.

    From the L.A. Times:

    Nash, an impassive cadaverous man who frequently dozed off in the courtroom, sprang to his feet, smiled and waved at the jury after the verdicts were read by U.S. District Judge Matt Byrne. Asked later how he felt, Nash said, “All I want to do is get out of here.”

     
    • John 3:44 pm on October 9, 2013 Permalink | Reply

      The Odyssey Gets a ‘No’ Vote
      February 03, 1985
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      I wish to state some relevant facts that were not mentioned in the Odyssey Club article (Times, Dec. 23) which gave the impression that the Odyssey is an innocent victim of neighborhood intolerance and harassment.

      The opposite is true. The unruly patrons of the club have, for seven years, subjected the residents in a mile-square area to unprecedented disturbances every night from 9:30 p.m. to 5 a.m.

      Due to the limited off-street parking provided by the club, the patrons park their cars in unauthorized parking lots and city streets in the surrounding residential area. The carousing antics of the patrons, many of whom are teen-agers, include drinking, pot smoking, boisterous laughter, stereo playing, urinating , defecating, fornicating and general hooliganism-all of which takes place just outside our bedroom windows.

      As a former businessman and resident of Los Angeles for 38 years, I have never encountered anything remotely comparable to the turmoil caused by the operation of a business such as the Odyssey. The testimony of the neighborhood residents during a year of open hearings conducted by the police commissioners at Parker Center and Croft School resulted in the hearing officer’s decision for denial of license renewal. During this current probationary period the Odyssey Club has continued to violate the conditions prescribed by the police commissioners.

      Businesses which are guilty of sanitary, moral or health transgressions have been called to account. Vilolators of air pollution laws and industrial wastes that poison the air and water wells have been fined and had their licesnses revoked. The Odyssey is also a polluter. It attracts patrons who have literally polluted our area into a cesspool and created a blight in our community.

      The renewal of the Odyssey Club’s license would be an endorsement of gross violations of our sanitary, moral, health and zoning laws.

      CARL LEVIN – Los Angeles

    • criticextraordinaire 6:30 pm on October 9, 2013 Permalink | Reply

      What needs to be said about Eddie is that her does not appear to have been a racist or particularly predjudiced. He had clubs catering to whites, blacks, gays, straights, you name it. And some of his most trusted associates were black dudes like the Diles Brothers. Even took time out of his busy schedule to testify on behalf of Linnel Dumas, the 20-year-old high school sophomore (geeze, I was a 20-year-old college junior).

      It sounds like with Eddie, if he could make money with you, you were OK in his book.

      • John W 7:05 pm on October 9, 2013 Permalink | Reply

        Thanks criticx… please elaborate more on the Lios Gate board…as I was not privy to that info back then. Were there rare photos shared with others? I understand that a few Wonderland era celebs showed up with messages.

        • criticextraordinaire 5:48 pm on October 10, 2013 Permalink

          John,

          The LionsGate board was text-only, no pics like you have here and it was fairly unmoderated (although a site admin did take down some extremely offensive posts). As I recall I think Dawn’s brother and sister posted there (no real revelations though) or of course they could have been impostors.

          The IMDb Wonderland board, in its heyday, had an interesting story. There was this chick who claimed to be the former girlfriend of Johnny Wadd, who bore three of his children and who alleged to have been hiding in a closet while the Wonderland hit went down. LONG story but the tales all got taller, and multiple login identities to “defend” her appeared. Ultimately (truth stranger than fiction, you can’t make this stuff up) she had her own obituary published in a Midwestern newspaper, naming her various offspring to Johnny C. F’n wild story. One of her alternative login ID’s even posted it at findagrave.com. This particular poster also had established her own notoriety (in real life, and for real) about 10-15 years prior. I’ll not elaborate on that… in the hopes that she eventually got her stuff together. I think at one point she made contact with Dawn, who promptly figured she was making it all up.

        • John 7:06 am on October 11, 2013 Permalink

          Yes, I am aware of that girl and even did a post about it, but members of this blog asked me not to waste time going down this wormhole, as it would lead nowhere. That story has also been debated on the Wonderland Murders wikipedia page…but is not released or published.

      • John 1:29 pm on October 16, 2013 Permalink | Reply

        I don’t moderate anything here. If it’s not spam, it gets thru, and then your posts automatically get thru after that. It’s all good, and there can be no progress here with any type of censorship. Most readers are here for a reason and that reason is Wonderland. That is the goal – 100% participation.

  • John 10:50 am on October 8, 2013 Permalink | Reply
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    Where Sharon Lived in ’65 

    In April of ’65, she is listed in the phone book as “Sharon A. Gebenini” and living in these sweet apartments. In 1965, John and Sharon got married. Before their first date, she said that John picked some flowers from her neighbors garden and she could see him doing it. Maybe this is that neighbor and maybe that fence was not there in 1965. She could certainly see him from her front window (Busted! but my God, I hope they weren’t daisies because I don’t know if that move was just lame or cheap-ass or both).

    The address is just east of downtown L.A., where the 5 Freeway meets the I-10 San Bernardino Freeway. For what it’s worth…

    1118 Cornwell Street unit #5.

    1118 Cornwell Street unit #5.

     
  • John 3:26 pm on October 7, 2013 Permalink | Reply
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    Tom Lange – Vietnam War Hero 

    Tom investigated the Wonderland case in 1981. We did not hear from him much until O.J. in 1994, when the Nicole Brown/Ronald Goldman murders hit the news. That’s Tom talking to the Juice on the phone during the low-speed chase.

    An excerpt from “Evidence Dismissed – The Inside Story of the Police Investigation of O.J. Simpson” by Dan E. Moldea:

    Neither Lange nor Vannatter had originally given much thought to becoming police officers. Born in Milwaukee on April 14, 1945 and raised in Coral Gables, Florida, Frederick Douglas Lange–who had been nicknamed “Tom” by his two older sisters–moved to Los Angeles County with his mother after the death by heart attack of her estranged husband, Lange’s father, in 1960. As a young teenager, Lange was a runaway in the San Fernando Valley and was detained twice by police for minor infractions. However, Lange straightened out, somewhat, while attending a strict Catholic school. A long-distance runner on his high school’s cross-country and track-and-field teams, Lange remained rebellious and had no interest in college after graduation. Unlike many children of the 1960s, Lange expressed his rebellion by joining the U.S. Marines and going to Vietnam in June 1965. After a distinguished tour of duty with intensive combat experience, Sergeant Lange left the Marines in October 1966, refusing to re-enlist even after being offered Officers Candidate School.

    After returning home from the war, Lange drifted for nearly a year, unable to land a decent job. He traveled around the country, visiting the families of war buddies who hadn’t come home. Eventually, he wound up back in Los Angeles, putting up tents for large events and getting paid ten-to-twenty bucks a day. Then, he went to work for Clairol beauty supplies, putting little boxes into big boxes. He slept on his mother’s sofa and spent most of his time hanging out with other vets.

    Finally, while pumping gas in North Hollywood for Standard Oil, Lange became acquainted with a LAPD cop who gassed up at his service station. The officer encouraged Lange to take the tests for the LAPD. Lange did and passed with high marks.

    He graduated from the LAPD Academy in January 1968. After a variety of assignments, he became an investigator at Central Juvenile and Central Detectives, earning his associate degree in Administration of Justice from Los Angeles Valley College in 1976. While working on the infamous Skid-Row Stabber Murders case, he became a member of the Robbery/Homicide Division in November 1978, working, at first, on loan from the Central Division. He eventually solved the murders after identifying a mere palm print left by the killer at one of the crime scenes. The following year, in October 1979–the same month as his marriage to his wife, Linda–Lange was permanently assigned to RHD, where he met Phil Vannatter.

     
    • criticextraordinaire 7:33 pm on October 7, 2013 Permalink | Reply

      Makes you wonder if he ever crossed paths with Ron Launius when he was in ‘Nam.

      Back at the old Lions Gate board, a ‘Nam war buddy of Ronnie’s posted that for some reason he was sent out on a patrol (inconsistent with his role in logistics command, but maybe he wanted to see some action) and that he volunteered to take point. Something about he saw this purple beam of light coming from his head that let him see where Charlie was. Was probably a BS post but who knows. It would be consistent with his reputation for take-no-crap, fearless persona under pressure.

      • John 4:18 pm on October 8, 2013 Permalink | Reply

        Criticz,
        What is that Nam board link? And feel free to copy and paste quotes and comments in the message section. It enhances the article etc and captures history. Thanks for visiting and collaborating, your input is highly valued, like everyone else.

        • criticextraordinaire 5:48 pm on October 8, 2013 Permalink

          That was the old “Lions Gate” board that existed for the Wonderland film. By the end of 2004, I believe, it was taken down by the film company as things were getting wild over there. Dawn was posting and I think Laurie was too. Most of the Lionsgate gang then moved over to the IMDb board when the Lionsgate board got 86′d. But most of those board regs, with handles like “BoogieKnight”, “WILDHEART”, “Americandiablo” and “kdimmick” are rarely seen over there. (WILDHEART, always in caps, went out and got a set of custom “WADD” license plates for her car). Sean “Duke” Amerson even posted there once or twice, and Julia St Vincent posted even several times.

          Jill Nelson and Jennifer Sugar, as I recall, got the Wonderland bug at that board and the rest is history, with their awesome biography of the King, I think the only one that can be said to be truly impartial and agenda-free.

          I didn’t know this site had a message section. :-O

    • Bobby 11:27 pm on October 7, 2013 Permalink | Reply

      It seems that identifying killer’s palm prints at crime scenes was his signature move! ;)

    • Jill C. Nelson 8:52 pm on October 8, 2013 Permalink | Reply

      Thanks for the nice words, Critic. You and some of the others you mentioned from the IMDb board were inspiring, not to mention amazingly knowledgable. It was never dull over there, that’s for sure. :) It was a great group. To this day, I feel I happened at the right place at the right time. I’ve heard some crazy stories about the old Lion’s Gate board. Wow… time sure flies.

      • John 2:40 pm on October 9, 2013 Permalink | Reply

        I bet that Lion’s Gate discussion forum was really hopping back then, especially so close to the release of the movie. Can anyone find the archive for the old board. It’s a shame that all of those discussion threads and topics are lost to history. They must be found!! Maybe Way Back Time Machine or a site like that can help find the cached archives.

        I’m surprised that Eddie did not put out a book, or Sharon for that matter…or Ron’s underling Cherokee for that matter. These days, everyone, even the neighbors could have their own book deal re: Wonderland!

        • criticextraordinaire 6:35 pm on October 9, 2013 Permalink

          John, I think the death knell of that Lionsgate board was when this one dude was harassing another poster, using his work computer from some paper company to do it. If I recall correctly he got himself fired over it and shortly thereafter the board was gone.

          There was also a gal on that board who was an artist in Canada (what is it with Canadian women and John Holmes, they seem to be attracted to him) who had painted an awesome series of portraits of John as well as other pioneers in the porno industry. 8-)

    • John W 3:52 pm on October 10, 2013 Permalink | Reply

      If Tom Lange had the conscience and courtesy to visit his war buddies families after the war, then that just lends to his dedication and commitment to families in solving the murders of their loved ones. Long live Tom Lange!

    • localarts 4:22 pm on October 10, 2013 Permalink | Reply

      I wonder if Lange had any respect for Holmes as a man.

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