The Testimony of David Lind, Part 2


Thanks to Bonnie for providing the testimony. Muy Bien, Chica!

Here is part 2!  We get to see that Billy actually went up into Nash’s attic and found $10,000. And also that Ron had a Jeckyl and Hyde personality…he ran hot and cold. That’s classic.

1972 Cadillac used in the film. I think Nash had a Lincoln Town Car in real life.

1972 Cadillac used in the film. I think Nash had a Lincoln Town Car in real life.

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Q: What else was taken?
A: Mr. Holmes had informed us earlier at the residence that there was also a laboratory vial,
approximately eight to ten inches in length, half an inch in diameter, full of heroin which he called “China White”; that it was in the area of Mr. Nash’s dresser. We proceeded to pick that up. Also that there was an attaché case full of money and jewelry.

Q: Did Holmes tell you this?
A: Oh yes.

Q: Did you find this attaché case?
A: Yes. We found everything.

Q: And what was inside this attaché case?
A: Inside the attaché case was a considerable sum of money in 20’s, 50’s, and 100 dollar bills and a considerable amount of jewelry, gold jewelry, diamonds.

Q: Anything else? By the way, where was this attaché case found?
A: I’m not right quite sure where it was found. I know it was found in Mr. Nash’s bedroom because I made several trips in and out of the bedroom as Mr. Launius, Mr. Deverell had control of the situation in there I was going back and forth from the living room to the bedroom and looking out the front door to make sure that we weren’t disturbed, because of the gunshot earlier.

Q: Did Eddie Nash say anything regarding an attic?
A: I beg your pardon?

Q: Did Eddie Nash tell you anything regarding an attic, any item in the attic?
A: Yes. At that time we couldn’t really ascertain how much was there but it was not as much as Mr.
Holmes indicated should have been there. Mr. Launius continued to question Mr. Nash as to where the rest was. In regards to the drugs Mr. Nash told him that they were at the Starwood12 but there was also, there was a sum of money in an attic off a hallway right outside his bedroom
where there was a wooden ladder. At that point Mr. Deverell proceeded to climb up the stairs – the ladder, pardon me – and entered the attic and money was in a brown paper bag.

Q: Approximately how much money, if you recall?
A: Exactly $10,000.

Q: Now was anything else, any weapons, found in the residence?
A: Yes. While Mr. Deverell and Mr. Launius were dealing with Mr. Nash I was in the process of going through the house for weapons and in Mr. Diles’ bedroom I found a sawed-off 12-gauge shotgun in his bedroom closet which I proceeded to unload and set on the pool table and in Mr. Diles’ closets there were two antique long guns. One was a flintlock rifle and the other was a Colt revolving shotgun. On Mr. Diles’ bedroom dresser there were two cap and ball percussion black powder pistols. One was a model 1856 Colt revolver with an engraved cylinder. This was the smaller of the two. Another one was approximately the same type. They were both antique pistols, Colts.

Eddie Nash’s night club at the corner of Santa Monica and Crescent Heights Boulevards,
currently the Whisky-A-Go-Go.

Q: Of those four antique guns, the two long guns and the two handguns, were they familiar to you?
A: Of those four particular weapons, the only thing familiar about them to me was the fact that those weapons had been taken to Mr. Nash’s home by Mr. Holmes prior to the incident to be held ad collateral for the purchase of narcotics and that they had been obtained in a prior burglary and were given to Mr. Holmes to take to Mr. Nash.

Q: So –
A: I recognized them by description. Other than that I had never seen them before.

Q: So to speak, the guns made a full circle, from one to one? To DonnaLola, back to Wonderland?
A: Yes, sir. That is correct.

Q: Anything else taken?
A: Yes.

Q: What?
A: There were, I proceeded to look under Mr. Nash’s bed as Mr. Holmes said Mr. Nash kept quite a number of guns in his house and I didn’t particularly care to get shot. I pulled out a Browning nine millimeter automatic pistol which is a, appeared to be to me a commemorative issue. It was nickel-plated with a gold trigger and a gold hammer in a brown vinyl case.

Q: Was anything else taken or was that basically it?
A: There was a grayish green metal box approximately 10 inches long, four inches in width and six
inches in height which would describe the petty cash box. Inside that there were Quaaludes and cocaine. The attaché case containing money and the jewelry, the six zip-lock bags containing the cocaine and the heroin in the glass vial, the two antique pistols and this Browning nine millimeter automatic.

Q: These are the items that you removed from the residence?
A: Yes.

Q: Prior to leaving what did you do regarding Nash and Diles?
A: Well, as we were getting ready to leave Mr. Launius again started to question Mr. Diles about the whereabouts of the rest of it and he proceeded to pull out a knife and started to cut Mr. Diles. At that point I interfered and I told him “We have got everything we need here. Let’s go.”

Q: After that what happened?
A: After that I opened the front door, signaled to Mr. McCourt. He started to back the vehicle up. Subsequently I told him to stop and then Mr. Deverell and Mr. Launius and myself, in that order, proceeded out the front door.

Q: Taking items from the house?
A: Yes. Mr. Launius was carrying the attaché case which he had put the bag of cocaine in and the gray-green metal box and I, I think he had the heroin vial in his pocket. I came out last carrying the two antique rifles which were wrapped in a white plastic like a shower curtain. They were concealed. I had those.

Q: At that time did you all get into the car?
A: Yes, we did.

Q: Where did you go to?
A: At that time Mr. Deverell got into the front passenger side. Mr. McCourt was driving the vehicle and Mr. Launius and I were in back. We drove to the Wonderland Avenue address.

Q: Where was the defendant Holmes when you got to the Wonderland address?

A: Mr. Holmes was waiting inside the door when we arrived. On the living room side of that area which is a small foyer there, the right hand side leads to the kitchenette and the rest is living room. It is on a split level. The first thing that Mr. Holmes wanted to know was just exactly what happened. He seemed to be very excited about it. He was happy that we were able to accomplish
what we set out to do. At that time I instructed Mr. Launius not to tell him anything.

Q: What happened after that?
A: Mr. Launius proceeded to talk to him.

Q: In your presence was Defendant Holmes told of the incident?
A: He certainly was.

Q: Were the proceeds of the robbery split up in any way at this time?
A: Yes.

Q: Would you describe how that was done?
A: Immediately upon entering the house we went to the rear bedroom on the first level there, which was Mr. Launius’s bedroom in the rear.

Q: What happened next?
A: We put everything on the bed and everybody was in the bedroom and there, of course, there was quite a bit of excitement because of the situation and then I said “Well, let’s get this over with” and we proceeded to the nook area … a glass top table top and we proceeded to, we had a scale in the residence. We proceeded to weigh out the drugs and to count the money at that time.

Q: Where was the defendant Holmes during this time?
A: He was sitting in the chair.
THE COURT: Indicating (on the chart) the chair to the left of the glass top table closest to the room marked bathroom number one.
THE WITNESS: Mr. Launius was sitting here
(indicating).
THE COURT: Indicating the chair to the south of the
table marked number six closest to the kitchen.
THE WITNESS: Mr. McCourt was sitting here.
THE COURT: Indicating the chair to the east of the
table closest to the stairs.
THE WITNESS: Mr. Deverell was sitting here
(indicating).
THE COURT: Indicating the chair north of the table just below the word “nook.”
THE WITNESS: Mr. Holmes was alternately between these two chairs (indicating) and this chair
(indicating).
THE COURT: Indicating the chair below “nook”, the chair closest to the stairs and the chair that is south of the table closest to the kitchen.

BY MR. COEN
Q: How were the booty – for lack of a better term –
split up?
A: There were five of us involved in the robbery. Mr. Launius, Mr. Deverell, and myself, were to receive 25 percent of what we took and Mr. Holmes and Mr. McCourt were to split the remaining 25 percent which is 12 and a half percent.

Q: And is that of the drugs and the money?
A: Yes. That is correct.

Q: What happened after the items were split up?
A: Immediately after everything was divided up Mr. McCourt left the residence and Mr. Launius and Mr. Holmes and myself were seated in the living room and at that time Mr. Holmes made a statement to the effect that it still wasn’t enough money; he didn’t have enough to pay his film editors and as there was still a considerable amount of jewelry to be peddled to a fence, that he was going to wait around for that money.

Q: What happened next?
A: Subsequently Mr. Deverell took the jewelry to the fence and came back a few hours later with the money, which was early evening.

Q: Mr. Holmes remained in the residence?
A: Yes.

Q: Until that time?
A: Yes.

Q: What happened after that?
A: Everybody was in a pretty good mood after the success of the incident and we proceeded to just have a good time.

Q: Did you use the narcotics?
A: Yes. I have on occasion.

Q: I mean, when you said “have a good time” –
A: Yes, that is correct. Yes. Everybody did.

Q: At sometime did either you or the defendant Holmes leave the residence?
A: I don’t remember when John left. I do remember when I left.

Q: Did the defendant Holmes leave before you, if you recall?
A: I don’t recall.

Q: When did you leave?
A: I left approximately 9:00 or 10:00 o’clock the next morning.

Q: That is June 30th?
A: Yes. That is correct.

Q: And was that the last time you saw any of the occupants of the residence alive?
A: Yes it was.

Q: (indicating the chart) Was this the front door of the residence?
A: That is the front door.

Q: Yes?
A: Yes.

Q: (indicating) Is that the back door of the residence?
A: Yes. That is the rear door to the bedroom.

Q: Are those the only two entrances to this residence on Wonderland?
A: Yes, that is correct.

Q: And you were residing there around June 29?
A: Yes I was.

Q: What was the security arrangements there? And by that I mean, were there any special procedures as to who could enter and who could not?
A: Yes. Number one, there was an electric gate that could be only entered with a key or by pressing a buzzer inside the residence and then identify yourself to open the electric gate.
Number two, after we exited the robbery we had all agreed nobody was to come into the house at all, period, even people we knew that had any business, meaning drug-related business, that was to be conducted was to be conducted away from the house and directed to the Laurel Canyon Country Store, which is on Laurel Canyon.

Q: Could someone who is known to the occupants enter the residence?
A: Only someone who was known very well.

Q: Of this pact that you made as a resident of the Wonderland address at 8763 –
A: Yes?

Q: — was the defendant Holmes known well enough to you that he would be allowed entry?
A: Most definitely.

Q: I have nothing further.
(LUNCH RECESS)
Jim Morrison referred to the Laurel Canyon Country Store in a song as “the store where all
the creatures meet.” He lived on nearby Rothdell Trail at the time.

CROSS EXAMINATION OF DAVID LIND
FEBRUARY 2, 1982
P.M. SESSION
BY MR. HANSON:

Q: Mr. Lind, would you direct your attention to the diagram which is at your left? That is the diagram of the Wonderland house? Can you tell us, sir, when was the first time you ever
went into that house?

A: I believe it was the first week of June 1981.

Q All right. Prior to that time, to your knowledge, you had never been there?
A: No, sir.

Q: And from the time you went there from the first week in June did you live there off and on until the incidents transpired that you testified to just before the lunch hour?

A: I was in residence there continuously throughout the incidents.

Q: That would have been, then, for a two or three week period?

A: Yes, that is correct.

Q: Can you tell us if there were any permanent residents of that location during the two to three week period besides yourself?
A: Permanent meaning …. ?

Q: Who was living there, who was sleeping there?
A: Joy Miller, William Deverell, Ronald Launius, Barbara Richardson and myself.

Q: Did anybody else during that period of time ever spend the night there?
A: Quite a number of people.

Q: I take it, people would come and people would go. Is that correct?
A: Yes. That is correct.

Q: Did you known by name all of the people that came and went?
A: No. Not all of them

Q: You knew a percentage of them?
A: Yes.
Q: Now, when you say, Mr. Lind, that there was a, I think you said large number, quite a number of people, could you be more precise? Is that a dozen or two dozen or how many would that be?
A: I have no idea. It varied. We were engaged in drug trafficking and it varied.

Q: I take it, then, as far as you observed, people perhaps unknown to you would come to that location, engage in some kind of a transaction and leave the location?
A: That could very well be, yes.

Q: And this would be both during the daylight and the nighttime hours?
A: Nighttime meaning?

Q: After the sun goes down?
A: Yes.

Q: And would you say that the hours were irregular?
A: Sometimes.

Q: During that two or three week period that you were there at that location did you ever see Mr. Holmes at that location?
A: Yes, I did.

Q: Would you say that you saw him there on several occasions?
A: More than that.

Q: All right. Directing your attention, sir, to the area that I think you described and that appears to be labeled on the map “nook” did you ever see John Holmes in that area?
A: Yes, I did.

Q: Did you ever see him sit down at the table?
A: Yes, I have.

Q: Now, there is a kitchen in that nook area. Is that correct?
A: Kitchen immediately behind it. Did you ever see John Holmes cooking food there?

A: He might have. I don’t recall specifically, no.
Q: But do you recall distinctly seeing him at least on one and perhaps more occasions in the area of the nook?
A: John was welcome at that house any time.

Q: Now, did you ever see him in the bedroom that is labeled, it would be bedroom closet to you and at the bottom of the chart?
A: Yes.

Q: That bedroom number is number one?
A: Yes, sir.

Q: Did you see him in that bedroom?
A: Yes, I have.

Q: As a matter of fact, did you see John in almost any portion of that house?
A: Yes. That would be correct.

Q: And would you say that John was welcome in the house – was it your opinion that of he did come into the house he was, so to speak, free to roam the house if he so desired?
A: Yes, sir.

Q: Prior to your moving into that house for that period of time, did you know John Holmes?
A: No.

Q: You met John Holmes through someone connected with the house? Is that correct?
A: Yes, Mr. Launius.

Q: And was it your observation that Mr. Launius and John Holmes were friends?
A: Yes.

Q: Now, were there other people that you mentioned, were living there, Joy and Barbara and Mr. Deverell?
A: Yes. That is correct.

Q: Did it appear from your observations that Mr. Holmes knew these people?
A: Yes, he did.

Q: And did it appear that Mr. Holmes was friendly with those people?
A: Yes. To a certain extent Mr. Deverell really didn’t care for Mr. Holmes that much, didn’t trust Mr. Holmes.

Q: But did he outwardly appear friendly?
A: Oh yes. Only because of Mr. Launius.

Q: I see. Launius was personally very friendly with John Holmes?
A: He knew him quite well.

Q: Okay. Now, did John Holmes ever stay overnight at that location?
A: He stayed overnight but he didn’t sleep.

Q: But he would be there, apparently, from sundown to sunrise?
A: Yes, a number of hours.

Q: When was it, sir, that any conversation was first had in which you participated concerning a planned robbery of the home of Mr. Nash?
A: Approximately a week before the robbery transpired.

Q: When did the robbery take place?
A: On a Monday morning at 9:00 o’clock about, Monday morning. That would be July first. Is that – I’m — – as far as the dates are concerned I’m a little confused.

Q: I understand. I’m just asking for your best recollection.
A: Yes. I remember the time.

Q: And apparently there had been some discussions the week preceding. Is that correct?
A: Yes. Just about every day.

Q: During that week did you have any conflicts with John Holmes? Did you have any arguments or
disagreements with him?
A: No. I never did.

Q: Did John mainly talk with Mr. Launius or did he talk with you or was it amongst all the people?
A: He spoke with Launius and myself. Mr. Launius and my girlfriend, Barbara, and Joy Miller. As I said, there was a rather strained relationship between Mr. Holmes and Mr. Deverell.

Q: With regards to this planned robbery, was Joy present during any of the discussion concerning the robbery?
A: Yes, she was.

Q: Barbara also?
A: Yes.

Q: Was anybody else in on it besides the people you just mentioned?
A: Mr. Tracy McCourt.

Q: Anybody else?
A: No, sir. At that time, no. Nobody else had any knowledge of it. To my knowledge.

Q: And the robbery commenced, apparently, when you, Mr. McCourt, Mr. Deverell, and Mr. Launius left in a vehicle together to go toward Ed Nash’s home? Is that correct?
A: Yes. That is correct.

Q: Were you carrying a gun?
A: Yes, I was. We were all armed.

Q: What kind of a gun were you carrying?
A: A Smith and Wesson .357 Magnum Model 94, stainless steel revolver.

Q: Were you carrying any other kind of weapon?
A: Yes. I was carrying a knife.

Q: And this would be a pocket knife or a hunting knife?
A: No. It was a rigid model knife, was a razor back. It was a hunting knife, approximately, the blade was at least eight inches long. Total length approximately 12 inches.

Q: About the size of a bayonet?
A: No.

Q: Not that?
A: About half the size of a bayonet.

Q: What was Mr. Deverell carrying?
A: Mr. Deverell had a Model 59 Smith and Wesson 14 shot nine millimeter pistol.

Q: Do you recall what the other two were carrying?
A: Yes, I certainly do. Mr. Launius had a 7.5 millimeter Beretta automatic pistol and Mr. McCourt had a Colt, National Match Gold Cup, 45 automatic pistol.

Q: Now, was there any conversation as to what precautions, if any, would be taken not to injure anybody?
A: No. The only conversation that was pertaining to people in the house were that Mr. Diles would be the one that we would be most seriously concerned with.

Q: What I’m saying is, did you discuss the fact that you didn’t want to hurt anybody?
A: Yes, that is true. There was no reason for that. The way it was laid out we were just going to go in and out.

Q: Now, were any precautions taken as far as you know to conceal your identity from anyone you might find at the Nash residence?
A: No, none were necessary. Nobody had, at the Nash residence, had had any familiarity whatsoever with Mr. Launius or Mr. Deverell or myself, to my knowledge, at that time, other than John Holmes. There was no need for it.

Q: At least you felt secure that you would not be known on sight?
A: Very.

Q: You didn’t wear any kind of mask?
A: None whatsoever.

Q: Did you wear anything on your hands to eliminate the likelihood of fingerprints?
A: Yes, there was a product on the market called “Liquid Band-Aid”, we put that on our fingertips, all of us.

Q: Was that done at –
A: The Wonderland residence.

Q: — Wonderland residence?
A: That’s right.

Q: Was John Holmes present when that was done?
A: Yes. He was.

Q: You went to the residence and apparently a robbery did take place? Is that correct?
A: You are speaking of Mr. Nash’s residence?

A: Yes.

Q: Apparently, from my understanding of your testimony, Mr. Lind, the shot that was fired at the Nash residence was an accidental shot?
A: Yes, it was. I just discharged the weapon.

Q: You did not intend to hit or shoot at Mr. Diles?
A: No, sir.

Q: Did Mr. Diles react in any way when he was shot?
A: Yes. He made an exclamation.

Q: Did he threaten anybody?
A: Not at that time. No.

Q: At some point later, apparently, somebody was either cutting or attempting to cut Mr. Diles? Is that correct?
A: That is correct.

Q: And who was that?
A: Mr. Launius.

Q: Did Mr. Launius carry with him a knife?
A: No.

Q: Was this your knife?
A: Yes.

Q: How did your knife happen to come into the possession of Mr. Launius?
A: I gave it to Mr. Launius. He asked for it.

Q: Was that for the purpose of, so to speak, getting somebody to talk?
A: I have no idea.

Q: Now, was Mr. Nash struck or injured in any way?
A: No, he was not struck physically.

Q: Was he placed on the ground and told to pray?
A: No.

Q: Did you ever see him on the ground praying?
A: I recall Mr. Nash on his knees and asking if he could say a prayer.

Q: But your recollection is that no one told him that he better start praying or something might happen?

A: No, sir.

Q: Prior to going on that robbery did you ingest any narcotics of any sort?
A: None.

Q: How about Mr. Deverell?
A: Yes, sir.

Q: Do you know from your own observation what he had consumed or ingested?
A: Yes. Heroin.

Q: And how about Mr. McCourt?
A: Mr. McCourt also.

Q: How about Mr. Launius?
A: Mr. Launius also.

Q: Everyone but you, apparently, had a shot of heroin?
A: That is correct.

Q: I take it you don’t use heroin?
A: I didn’t at that time. No.

Q: Did you use any other form of narcotic or stimulant?
A: Cocaine.

Q: When you came back to the residence – that is the Wonderland residence – Mr. Holmes was still there? Is that correct?
A: Yes. That is correct.

Q: Is it your recollection that the events that transpired at the Nash residence were related to Mr.
Holmes?
A: Would you mind repeating –

Q: I’m sorry. What I’m trying to ask you is: When you came back from the Nash residence to the
Wonderland residence you saw Mr. Holmes?
A: That is correct.

Q: And Mr. Holmes was told by somebody in detail what happened at the Nash residence?
A: Yes, sir.

Q: Who did that?
A: Mr. Launius.

Q: Launius was the one that was apparently, of the people involved, closest to Mr. Holmes from the friendship standpoint?
A: Yes.

Q: After coming back to the Wonderland address did anyone in your presence make known the fact to any of the other persons outside that group that a robbery had taken place?
A: No, sir.

Q: Didn’t Launius get on the phone and announce that he had some narcotics for sale?
A: That was an every day occurrence. The use of the telephone for that particular – that is what he did. He dealt in narcotics.

Q: What I’m asking you is: When you came back to the Wonderland address, part of the loot that was brought back was narcotics. Is that correct?
A: Yes, that is correct.

Q: And all I’m asking you is: Do you have any specific recollection of Mr. Launius thereafter notifying party of parties unknown to you, perhaps, that he had narcotics for sale?
A: Yes, I do.

Q: And how did you know that?
A: I was standing in the bedroom.

Q: And he got on the phone?
A: Yes.

Q: Did he, in your presence, indicate where he had obtained the narcotics?
A: No, sir.

Q: Were there any telephone conversations by Mr. Launius that were not in your presence?

MR. COEN: Well, Your Honor, that is going to call for a conclusion. I object.
THE COURT: Sustained.
BY MR. HANSON:

Q: So if it happened you wouldn’t know?
A: That is correct.

Q: What I’m asking you: Did you make a point of just bird-dogging Mr. Launius to see who he called or why he called or what he said?
A: No, sir.

Q: But, did you have an occasion to notice that he was making phone calls, at least in your presence, and announcing that he had some narcotics available?
A: That is true.

Q: Did you continue to reside at the Wonderland address?
A: Yes. Although I was making preparations to leave.

Q: You were going back to Sacramento, weren’t you?
A: That is correct.

Q: Now, on the day that the killing took place, multiple killings took place there at the Wonderland
address, it is your testimony that you weren’t there. Is that correct?
A: That is correct.

Q: To your knowledge, did the participants in the robbery of the Nash residence all have the guns with them that they had used in that robbery?
A: Yes.

Q: I don’t mean to be facetious, but as far as you know, were the guns all equipped with ammunition?
A: Yes, they were.

Q: To your knowledge no one went on that robbery with an empty gun?
A: No, sir.

Q: Were any of those guns ever displayed in the presence of Mr. Holmes?
A: All of them at one time or another.

Q: So your conclusion, then, would be that Mr. Holmes knew the occupants or some of the occupants in that house were armed with guns? Is that correct?
A: Yes, sir.

Q: Aside from the guns that each had were there other guns in the Wonderland address that you knew of?
A: I had never seen any others than those that were carried by people that would come to the Wonderland address until after the robbery. Meaning other weapons.

Q: From the time you returned from the robbery until the time that you left the Wonderland address on the last occasion did the narcotic traffic continue?
A: Not at the house. No.

Q: Your recollection is that no one came during that period to engage in any kind of transaction, that at least, you observed?
A: No, sir. Not one.

Q: Were you there continuously?
A: I was there until Tuesday morning, approximately 9:00 or 10:00 o’clock.

Q: Is Tuesday morning in your mind the day of the killing?
A: No.

Q: When did you find out about the killing?
A: I received a phone call.

Q: Who did you receive a phone call from?
A: A Mr. Jimmy Arias, I believe it’s A-R-I-A-S.

Q: Did you have a conversation with a Mr. Vegas?
A: That is an AKA.

Q: Vegas and Arias are the same person?
A: Yes, sir.

Q: Now, Vegas called you and told you there had been a killing?
A: He called me and told me that everybody on Wonderland Avenue in the house was dead.

Q: How long had you been out of the Wonderland address?
A: As I stated before, I left about 9:00 or 10:00 Tuesday and, I believe, this was shortly around before noon Wednesday. I’m not sure. I know it was about 12:00 o’clock.

Q: You stayed some place else during that period? Is that correct?
A: Yes, I did.

Q: And was Barbara with you?
A: No, she wasn’t.

Q: Barbara was your girlfriend?
A: Yes.

Q: And she stayed at the Wonderland address?
A: Yes.

Q: Did you go back to Sacramento, did you?
A: No, sir.

Q: You stayed somewhere in the Los Angeles area?
A: Yes. Monrovia, to be specific.

Q: Did you go to a motel or something?
A: No. To a private residence of a friend of mine.

Q: Who was that?
A: A Mr. James Fuller.

Q: Do you recall talking to the officers, telling them of your visits during the time shortly preceding the killing on Wonderland?

A: Shortly preceding?

Q: Yes. Before?
A: What period of time?

Q: The night before?
A: Yes, I do. I made a statement.

Q: Do you recall telling them you were with a couple of girls?
A: Yes.

Q: You spent the night with one named Terry and/or Cindy?
A: Yes.

Q: Is that true?
A: Yes. They gave me a ride back to the San Fernando Valley. We had stayed up all night.

Q: And then you just stayed there with them?
A: Yes.

Q: Now, when Vegas called you did Vegas give you to understand that he was calling from the
Wonderland address?
A: No. He didn’t.

Q: Did he give you to understand that he had actually been in the residence?
A: Yes. At 8:00 o’clock that morning.

Q: And –
A: Meaning the morning of the murders.

Q: And that he saw bodies?
A: Yes.

Q: Did he tell you how he got in?
A: He told me he walked in. The doors were open.

Q: Did he tell you if he saw anybody else there?
A: Anybody else meaning?

Q: Anybody else other than the people that were injured or killed?
A: He was there with a fellow by the name of Paul. That is who drove him over.

Q: Mr. Vegas indicated to you why they had gone to that residence?
A: Yes. They were supposed to put Mr. Launius on a plane that morning to appear in a case in Sacramento.

Q: I only have a couple more questions, Mr. Lind.
A: Yes.

Q: Are you at the present time in custody?
A: Yes.

Q: Why are you in custody?
A: I’m serving a seven month sentence in Sacramento.

Q: Had you ever been convicted of a felony, Mr. Lind?
A: Yes, I have.

Q: How many?
A: Two.

Q: And can you tell me which felonies those are?
A: Yes. Receiving stolen property – I beg your pardon, that would be three. Receiving stolen property and forgery and assault with intent to commit rape. That was in 1970.

Q: What were you just sentenced for?
A: I was sentenced for possession of a controlled substance.

MR. HANSON: I have nothing further.
THE COURT: Redirect?
MR. COEN: Just one question, if I may?
REDIRECT EXAMINATION
BY MR. COEN:
Q: Mr. Lind, did you ever hear Ron Launius threaten the defendant? If you recall?
A: Meaning Mr. Holmes?

Q: Yes.
A: Yes, I did.

Q: What did he say?
A: He made mention of the fact that Mr. Holmes owed he and Mr. Deverell a considerable sum of money and that he better do something about it and, as a matter of fact, in, he threatened John Holmes on more than one occasion. Ronnie was, he had a Jeckyll-Hyde personality.
He was on again, off again.

MR. COEN: I have nothing further.
THE COURT: Recross?
MR. HANSON: Yes.

RECROSS-EXAMINATION
BY MR. HANSON:
Q: Was this Jeckyll-Hyde personality in any way, as far as you observed, related to narcotics usage?
A: Not to my knowledge.

MR. COEN: Objection. This calls for a conclusion, a medical conclusion.
MR. HANSON: I will withdraw the question in light
of the answer. I have nothing further.
THE COURT: You may step down, sir.
THE WITNESS: Thank you.

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