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  • John 2:22 pm on February 15, 2017 Permalink | Reply  

    Eddie’s Rag Doll Supper Club 

    An old ad from a North Hollywood club Eddie once owned in the 60s. The building is now a Mexican restaurant and an auto tint shop. He and his Rag Doll business partner were arrested in 1968 for pimping and/or pandering.

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  • John 11:28 am on February 15, 2017 Permalink | Reply  

    Eddie & Greg Arrested – 1988 (New Article) 

    Susan Launius is pictured during Holmes prelim trial. The continuation page was short and so it’s not included. It just covered how Nash was arrested at his place in Tarzana, and Greg was taken into custody at the Club Hollywood, which Nash owned (formerly the Seven Seas). I also saw a funny 1968 article where Nash and some partner of his got busted for either soliciting prostitutes, or pimping them out, the tiny “Vice” news article was not very clear as to what was going on.

    September 1988. Holmes was already deceased for six months.

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    • jimmy 1:49 pm on February 16, 2017 Permalink | Reply

      Finally a rare pic of Susan. Do you have any more

      • John 3:45 pm on February 16, 2017 Permalink | Reply

        A few more. She is re-married and enjoying the golden years. That photo above is from Holmes’ preliminary trial in Feb of 1982. After a few months in the hospital due to the attack, she rehabbed in LA at a place to help get her back on her feet.

        • criticextraordinaire 7:14 pm on February 19, 2017 Permalink

          Her new husband would certainly have big shoes to fill. Hard to compete with larger-than-life Ronnie. On the other hand, his activities likely would not require having to rescue her from kidnappers in México either.

    • jimmy 7:54 am on February 20, 2017 Permalink | Reply

      I’m sure the bar for her hubby requirements was raised a little higher after the wonderland incident .I could be wrong but I would guess she was rethinking the whole Ronnie thing ,were not talking Josh Lucas here were talking bad news junkie . They were estranged a the beginning of wonderland probably because of Mexico if that ever happened and she tries to work it out with him at wonderland and ends up getting her brains bashed in and looses a finger.Hopefully she found someone who could take care of her but you never know .

      • criticextraordinaire 8:11 pm on February 21, 2017 Permalink | Reply

        Oh the México thing definitely happened. It was classic Ronnie, getting the job done. It’s just too bad that Johnny talked him into the Nash job. Ronnie should have worked WITH The Nash instead of robbing him. They would have been an unbeatable combination of savvy, muscle, and fearlessness. They coulda had a real empire.

    • jimmy 8:27 am on February 22, 2017 Permalink | Reply

      On paper that sounds good we should trade notes and write a screen play make a few dollars .But the gang simply gave The Nash a razor and then stuck their throats out. The fact that there was no look out and the gang got stoned and crashed out is just plain stupid,they should have moved on and hid .Tracy Mccort saw the writing on the wall.I cant believe David cut out and left his butterfly there .I think they were not on the ball enough to be with the Nash.If you remember the movie they had money because Lind said he was called in to help the rest of the gang with their coke dealing because they needed the help because they were selling so much. I guess they blew all that money they were making on smack for them selves , they were incapable of running an empire they had a mini one with Billy and the coke and could not handle that.

      • criticextraordinaire 5:33 am on February 28, 2017 Permalink | Reply

        Well Ronnie would have been the muscle in a Nash/Wonderland Gang enterprise. If somebody knew they were gonna have to deal with Ronnie and that he had Eddie’s backing, they’d have tho think real long and hard about that. But yeah, Ronnie-Billy-Joy would have done better if they had stayed off the dope. They violated Rule Number Two. Yep Tracy was the smart one, he got out of Dodge and ultimately was the last man standing of the Gang. Too bad that he passed away in ’06 as he was one of the few people left who could tell the inside story.

    • jimmy 7:55 am on March 2, 2017 Permalink | Reply

      Well you know Billys son eluded to the fact that his dad was able to smack Ronnie around and that he was a little guy . I got the impression that Billys son didnt think Ronnie was as tough as the movie and stories portray him as .The person who played Ronnie (Josh Lucas) is a lot bigger and looked more intimidating what do you think John its in this blog somewhere .

    • John 10:05 am on March 2, 2017 Permalink | Reply

      I don’t know who was tougher, but both men respected each other.

    • localarts 10:11 am on March 2, 2017 Permalink | Reply

      I think Ronnie’s reputation was largely built on his ability to commit murder, murder for hire, etc. I was very skeptical about the killings that took place in Mexico involving Ronnie, Susan & some bikers. According to Nils Grevilius a private detective who investigated the Wonderland murders for the book “four on the floor” it actually did happen. Unfortunately, the specifics of what went down will never be known. In the end, there can only be one alpha male and thats Eddie Nash. Apparently Nash is still alive from what I understand.

    • jimmy 11:44 am on March 2, 2017 Permalink | Reply

      Well it was either audio or something I read that was said by Billys son on this site who seems to distance himself from this but was kind enough too do an interview .Any way it really changed my mind about Ronnie and his abilities ,he was a junkie who was too stupid to save his own ass . He should have been on that show worlds stupidest criminals. I admit that I kind of took a shine too Ronnie like a lot of other people who saw the movie but this blog really filled in all the blanks .Ronnie is not unique but his story is interesting .There are Ronnies everywhere in the inner city

      • localarts 6:15 pm on March 2, 2017 Permalink | Reply

        Very true Jimmy. Chemical dependency often gets in the way of good judgement. Which clearly is the case here. As far as a tough guy, bar fighting fisticuffs badass, thats not Launius. The general consenus is Ron Launius was in fact a killer and I believe that to be true. The scope of which is debatable.

        • John 9:52 am on March 3, 2017 Permalink

          And he was pretty ballsy in general… When approached at a party by a rival who did not care for Ron, the guy put a gun in Ron’s face. Ron calmly took his corncob pipe he was known to smoke with, and tipped his ashes on the barrel of the fella’s gun.

    • localarts 7:11 am on March 4, 2017 Permalink | Reply

      Yeah, thats right. I forgot about that. Launius was definitely ballsy / crazy.

    • jimmy 7:58 am on March 6, 2017 Permalink | Reply

      That’s bravado played out among those types of people ,happens all the time in the world of drug dealers,gangbangers and mobsters. Thats how they get their reputations . Especially with people who live dangerously and feel thy have nothing too lose it’s either death or jail thats their only way out.

  • John 1:43 pm on February 1, 2017 Permalink | Reply
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    Diles' 1965 Romans Team Considered One Of LA's Best 

    Cal Hi Sports gives the 1965 LA High School Romans the honorable mention nod as one of the city’s 18 best high school football team’s in the city’s history. Greg Diles was named 2nd team all-city that year. The year before, they lost in the playoffs, but in ’65 they won the city championship (California didn’t start doing state championships until ten years ago). Sadly, I have not been able to track down any living members of the old team. Kicker Gil Ledezma tried out for the Rams a few times, but always got cut. He was 5’2″ tall with a great leg.

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    • localarts 3:13 pm on February 4, 2017 Permalink | Reply

      No mention of Diles as one of their star players. I’m sure if he were talented enough, he would have been offered a scholarship thus escaping the life he would eventually lead.

      • John 10:02 am on February 6, 2017 Permalink | Reply

        I’m thinking he may have missed that boat for even junior college, if he had a bad knee or something else, nobody would have taken a chance.

      • criticextraordinaire 8:04 pm on February 9, 2017 Permalink | Reply

        Greg did pretty good. He was a henchman for The Nash, so you know he lived large.

    • jimmy 8:32 am on February 7, 2017 Permalink | Reply

      Every city or little town from Friscoe to Main, high school or college has its heros ,record breakers all star players , chess champs fastest something or other. Just read the sports section of a news paper for any random town .Take that pool of people and maybe 1% of those make it in their respective fields.

  • John 9:44 am on January 25, 2017 Permalink | Reply  

    Wonderland Song Released 

    Two of my best friends found the Wonderland tale so mystifying, they agreed to do a song about it for me. Life is Hard is the band’s name. I know that on their first album a few years ago, they had some accomplished musicians backing them up – Mark Andes on bass guitar (of Heart and Firefall fame) and others. Thanks to GB for taking and providing the photos herein:

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    • localarts 4:51 pm on January 26, 2017 Permalink | Reply

      Not Bad! You should have ask Chuck Negron to do a cameo.

      • criticextraordinaire 5:55 pm on February 10, 2017 Permalink | Reply

        Chuck Negron, with his legendary “exploding penis” could have made an interesting co-star in one of Holmes’ Johnny Wadd films.

  • John 11:12 am on January 23, 2017 Permalink | Reply
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    Scott Thorson's House In Vegas 

    In the late 70s, Thorson purchased this home with some of his money as an investment, because Lee (Liberace) wanted Scott to have a nest egg of his own. Lee kept him on salary, like his other employees, minstrels and relatives. All of his expenses were paid for, so he had put the money away in the bank. And the movie had it right: It was hard to get cash outright from the entertainer, but Liberace thought nothing of giving someone a $10,000 piece of jewelry as a gift. By this time, the “tract house”, as Scott refers to it in his book, was already over fifteen years old (built in 1963). He doesn’t say how much he paid, but the price today looks quite unreasonable as one could have a custom home built someplace back east for this six-figure amount. BTW, Gladys Luckie was Liberace’s longtime and beloved housekeeper. After Thorson signed away everything for $75,000, Liberace got ownership of the house.

    Here is the home’s partial ownership history, from Clark County, NV records. These days, it’s a rental house:

    Previous Sales

    Date Owner
    12/26/2007 LUCKIE GLADYS
    05/22/2006 CHRISTMAS CHRISTOPHER & SHAWISHI
    05/22/2006 CHRISTMAS SHAWISHI LUCKIE
    04/14/2003 LUCKIE LINDA JOYCE TRUST
    07/11/2002 LUCKIE LINDA J
    05/23/2002 LUCKIE LINDA JOYCE
    02/27/1998 LUCKIE GLADYS TRUST ETAL
    08/21/1992 LUCKIE GLADYS & LINDA JOYCE
    05/18/1992 LUCKIE LINDA JOYCE ETAL
    06/08/1987 LUCKIE GLADYS
    02/18/1987 LIBERACE REVOCABLE TRUST
    05/05/1982 LIBERACE
    12/28/1978 THORSON SCOTT A

    Same Vegas address as given in the book, Behind The Candelabra (1988) – on Laramore Drive:

     

     
    • jimmy chicago 1:04 pm on January 23, 2017 Permalink | Reply

      Thats how the liberals get around living next door to the people they want everyone else too.The shit they dont want in their neighborhood goes to yours. The prices and rules to live in these excluive areas are obscene.When they tore down Cabrini Green in Chicago and put up a few ‘afforadable” places or units mixed in they also held the people who needed the aid to a higher standard then the people who could afford to live there such as {drug testing] Like nun of the rich yuppies do drugs ,well they do but wont be tested like their misfortunate neighbors also they wernt allowed to have visitors like the others who could afford it.

      • criticextraordinaire 5:57 pm on January 28, 2017 Permalink | Reply

        Cabrini Green was not all that bad. Me and some buddies used to party over there in the early 1990’s. As to the drug testing… hey, if people want to live in housing subsidized by taxpayers, they damn well better not be spending their money on dope. If they got money for dope, then they don’t need my help paying the rent.

  • John 2:29 pm on December 23, 2016 Permalink | Reply
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    The Starwood Menu 

    The web site which hosted these images is no longer around, so I am posting these here for anyone interested. The food is named after bands of course. I am surprised to see that the band 707 was a Starwood staple. They had a couple of good, minor rock radio hits in the early 80’s, i.e., You might recall “Megaforce” sung by the great Kevin Chalfant.

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    • Gayle 3:26 pm on December 23, 2016 Permalink | Reply

      The Starwood had great ‘Fear’ fries 🙂 and the club really enforced that ‘Two drink minimum’ policy! It only pertained when a well known band was headlining.

      • John 1:48 pm on January 10, 2017 Permalink | Reply

        Yes, and with Eddie as owner, I’m sure it was decent bar food all around. I don’t think that gastro-expert Ed would have let them serve slop to people, even though most of his cash at the Starwood was probably made from alcohol sales.

    • jimmy chicago 9:27 am on January 11, 2017 Permalink | Reply

      What are fear fries ? Is that something regional

  • John 11:46 am on November 7, 2016 Permalink | Reply
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    The “Thinking Sideways” Wonderland Podcast 

    Today, you can listen to these folks talk about the case if you want. Click on John Holmes to go there…

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  • John 4:09 pm on October 13, 2016 Permalink | Reply
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    The Death Of Henry Hoskins 

    Henry was a former ATF agent and was once a friend to Hal Glickman and Nash. He also served as confidant (or bodyguard?) to black widow Sonia Rios Risken, who may have murdered her two husbands. Before she could be arrested, she was killed by a nephew and his friend. Henry appeared with her on a CBS crime show and stood by menacingly and blocked television cameras, as Sonia hid behind him. That’s good work if you can get it. He later extended a handshake to the news crew in friendship, for it was all in a day’s work.

    Henry was a star basketball player for the Crimson Tide and also graduated from there. He once ran H&H Investigations above Club Hollywood, site of the former Seven Seas Club. You see, Eddie still knew what the kids of LA wanted and he delivered. Henry also ran a bail bonds company and was president of a chamber of commerce. His 22-year-old girlfriend sounds like a real bitch. RIP Henry.

    Death of man linked to Lomita ‘Black Widow’ is ruled a suicide

    By Larry Altman Staff Writer
    A Gardena bail bondsman with ties to the Lomita Black Widow case committed suicide, the Coroner’s Department said Monday.

    An autopsy determined that Henry Lee Hoskins, 70, died of a self-inflicted gunshot wound to the head, Chief Coroner Investigator Craig Harvey said.

    The finding backs a police report on Friday that indicated Hoskins killed himself. Police found his body in his Western Avenue apartment above his bail bonds office about 1:30 a.m.

    A woman reported to be his 22-year-old girlfriend called 911, screaming hysterically for help.

    Although the coroner ruled suicide, and police were set to agree, Hoskins’ friends say they cannot fathom why he would take his own life.

    “I’m not accepting it, I just can’t,” said Linda Call, a real estate broker who developed a friendship with Hoskins while the two were members of the Gardena Valley Chamber of Commerce.

    “How can they label that so quickly? I’m hoping it’s just a ploy to draw out the killer. I just can’t believe it.”

    Gardena police Lt. Uikilifi Niko said Monday he had not yet seen the coroner’s report, and noted detectives are still investigating Hoskins’ death. Investigators have not released any details about evidence found at the scene, but said it indicates “more and more it’s going to be a suicide.”

    “That’s where we are leaning towards,” said Niko, who added that Hoskins did not leave a note.

    One of Hoskins’ two daughters, Laura Hoskins, an attorney in Seattle, said she had no information to shed light on her father’s death. But she did say that her father was not ill.

    Hoskins was well-known in Gardena’s business community, recently finishing a term as president of the Gardena Valley Chamber of Commerce.

    Once he took over, he fired Executive Director Karen Sue Hale, who was charged with stealing about $35,000 from the organization. She is serving a prison sentence of more than five years.

    “He was a pretty brave guy,” Call said. “I know that young girl he was seeing was pretty rough on him physically.”

    Two friends said she once hit him with a skillet.

    Pat Daniels, Hoskins’ business partner, said the girlfriend was with him at the time.

    Police detained the woman, questioned her and released her.

    “She told me that she left out of the living room and went to the bathroom and she heard a gunshot,” Daniels said. “Then she called the police.”

    The woman did not respond to telephone messages.

    The CBS show “48 Hours Mystery” is expected to put a note at the end of its show Saturday night to acknowledge Hoskins’ death.

    Hoskins appears in the episode, “Conspiracy to Kill,” the story of Sonia Rios Risken, a Lomita woman suspected of masterminding the shooting deaths of her two husbands 19 years apart in the Philippines.

    Risken was found shot to death in 2007 inside her Lomita home.

    Risken asked Hoskins to stand at her side a year earlier to intimidate a Daily Breeze reporter investigating her possible involvement in her husbands’ deaths.

    Hoskins did his job, standing in front of her in her Lomita beauty salon and looking menacing as he shooed the reporter away. Risken, who became known as the Lomita Black Widow, did not know that outside Hoskins extended his hand in friendship.

    He often told his friends about his relationship with Risken.

    “He just told me that he knew her and that she was quite a gal and you never knew what to expect from her,” Call said. “Oh my Henry, my Henry.”

    Risken’s nephew and one of his friends were arrested in April and charged with her killing.

     
  • John 12:22 pm on October 12, 2016 Permalink | Reply
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    Miller Ran For State Senate in 1966 

    Melvin had progressive views for the time, including mass transit ideas to help curb pollution. It looks like this was a pretty exciting race with many hats thrown into the ring. Thanks to you-know-who for alerting me to this a few months ago.

    More to come…

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    • criticextraordinaire 9:17 pm on October 12, 2016 Permalink | Reply

      Joy’s hubby? He couldn’t hold a candle to Billy Deverell.

    • jimmy 1:34 pm on October 13, 2016 Permalink | Reply

      or a needle, ha ,ha,ha

  • John 11:03 am on October 3, 2016 Permalink | Reply  

    Wonderland Legend, Rodger Jacobs, Passed Away This Summer 

    Rodger got a kick out of me calling him a Wonderland Legend a few years ago when I heard he was otherwise down-and-out and at least very ill – so I am doing it again. Thanks to those who chipped in and PayPal’d him some cash with me a few years ago when he was sick and in need. I recall that he was very appreciative of that. I just wish I could have met him and helped him some more. Jacobs’ resume speaks for itself, and you can google him to learn more about his life, books, stories and films.

    And today here on the blog – Rodger is gone but not forgotten.

    March 12, 1959 – July 5, 2016

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    • criticextraordinaire 6:06 pm on October 4, 2016 Permalink | Reply

      RIP, Rodger. I had always hoped that things would turn around for him. His contributions to the documentation of Wonderland and John Holmes indeed made him a “Wonderland legend” as well as a “Holmes legend”.

    • Bobby 12:28 am on October 5, 2016 Permalink | Reply

      Very sad to hear this. RIP Rodger, a bonafide Wonderland legend! I’m sure you had some awesome conversations with him John.. he’ll be sorely missed.

    • Jill Nelson 6:41 am on October 6, 2016 Permalink | Reply

      I too, am very sad to learn this news and am grateful to have had a couple of positive exchanges with him a few years ago. RIP.

    • localarts 6:43 pm on October 6, 2016 Permalink | Reply

      Very sad indeed. Roger Jacobs deserves a lot of credit for being the first to offer a real insight to the wonderland murders . Mike Sager’s “To live and die in LA” was a start, still have my original copy from “89 but Long Time Money & Lots of Cocaine was a game changer! Sorry for doubting your assessment of Launius, you were right all along! RIP.

      • criticextraordinaire 5:50 pm on October 9, 2016 Permalink | Reply

        Ronnie was bad ass. Somehow I had always hoped that maybe Rodger would pick up the trail and do an extended piece (or even screenplay) about him, but that’s not gonna happen now. John here at wonderland1981 probably is the most knowledgeable about Ronnie at this point, other than Susan who apparently is saying nothing. I think a flick about Ronnie could be done on an epic scale, something along the lines of “Scarface where the ultimate badass builds his empire, then takes things just a little too far.

        • localarts 12:07 pm on October 10, 2016 Permalink

          I agree Critic. Ron Launius was a man to be feared, PERIOD. Even though Roger is no longer with us, I’m sure John’s book will be very through with regards to Launius. Without a doubt, John’s knowledge of Wonderland far supersedes that of anyone who was not directly involved in the case! Yeah, a movie about Launius would be great but getting the right people interested and the money behind it is another story…

        • J, Debreux 9:22 pm on October 23, 2016 Permalink

          I heard different. More like the strongest of the weak. He finally MET a real bad ass !

        • criticextraordinaire 6:30 pm on October 28, 2016 Permalink

          Well nobody wins every battle, and Ronnie was no exception. But realize it took a whole crew to take Ronnie down. Ronnie’s big mistake was not finishing off The Nash and Diles when he had the chance. He violated Rule Number One, and it cost him.

    • Pumpkin12903 2:17 pm on October 7, 2016 Permalink | Reply

      • criticextraordinaire 7:39 pm on October 10, 2016 Permalink | Reply

        Wow, it is sad that nobody even cared enough to claim Rodger’s remains. Likewise sad that his long time partner Lela passed away a few weeks after he did. 😦

        • Laura 11:56 am on October 15, 2016 Permalink

          Dear CriticE, to be honest it’s not a surprise to me that his remains weren’t claimed. His treatment of me was pretty horrible after I confronted him nicely on some things. He accused me of some stuff I never did. This is one reason I found the articles about his death. Because of things he accused me of (which were lies) I kept an eye on him online in case I ever needed to get a lawyer involved. I wasn’t the only one who was treated badly by him. Interestingly, when Jacobs tore into me (again) on the Internet Movie Database website some years back my boyfriend gave him an earful. Jacobs didn’t say a word in reply to my boyfriend. He literally hid from him, but had no problem tearing into me and others. Very sad in the long run.

        • Laura 3:49 pm on October 15, 2016 Permalink

          I’ll give Lela credit where due. Please know I’m not being sarcastic here: She was very kind and patient with me in our one encounter online.

        • Laura 1:37 pm on October 16, 2016 Permalink

          Dear CriticE, yes, this is “pumpkin12903” from the IMDB “Wonderland” board. It’s great to see a few of the people from there on here now. I found this blog not long ago. I haven’t been on IMDB much for some years as am spending that time on other things. I do a search on the Wonderland case every great once in a while to see if there’s any new info. Also look on the IMDB board every great once in a while to see if anything new on there. I hope you’ve been doing well. I answered your question here as “reply” button didn’t show up under your post.

    • Laura 9:21 am on October 9, 2016 Permalink | Reply

      • Laura 11:59 am on October 15, 2016 Permalink | Reply

        Sorry I posted these links twice. I wasn’t logged into WordPress on the first post and it didn’t give a message saying “moderation pending” like the second post did. I’ll remember from now on to be logged into WordPress when I post.

        • criticextraordinaire 6:25 pm on October 15, 2016 Permalink

          Laura = Pumpkin ?

    • J, Debreux 9:20 pm on October 23, 2016 Permalink | Reply

      I certainly thank Rodger Jacobs for exposing Holmes for the sociopathic pos he really was. Like any real journalist “hey, if the shoe fits, wear it “

      • criticextraordinaire 6:35 pm on October 28, 2016 Permalink | Reply

        Not all of us see Mr. Holmes as a “pos”. True, he was a flawed person much like all of us, the proverbial “glass half empty”. But many of us out here prefer to look at his good side, as well as his pioneering work in the world of cinema.

        There are not that many actors who are known almost as well by their screen character as their real persona. John was the Leonard Nimoy of porn.

    • Jack Harper 10:30 pm on December 5, 2016 Permalink | Reply

      I am Rodgers step brother and I just found out he died in July of 2016. Rodger and I were as different as night and day, but we had some good times growing up together. He was always in seclusion, in his room listening to music, writing, etc.I tried to get him to forgive his mother, my step mom, but he was pissed at her, he never forgave her and he was a very selfish person, never reciprocating attempts towards a closer relationship with me or his mother.He was very talented, but had a drinking problem that I’m sure added to his already weak condition. My friend Ted just told me about this, so I am still a little stunned. I hope you all will remember his contribution to the arts and his passion for well written plays and journalism…

      • John 3:51 pm on December 6, 2016 Permalink | Reply

        Thanks for posting about Rodger, Jack. It’s appreciated by all here. –John

    • Jack Harper 7:34 am on December 6, 2016 Permalink | Reply

      My Name is Jack Harper, Rodger was my step-brother. I just found out he died in July. Rodger was a complicated individual and he had many flaws, but when it came to his craft he was very passionate and wanted to push it to the limits. We drifted apart from each other as we got older, his unwillingness to continue our relationship as brothers was part of his dark side. I tried to help him many times, but he wanted to do what he wanted, even if that was drinking himself into an early grave. I am saddened by his passing, we did have some memorable times together growing up…

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