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  • John 11:41 am on February 17, 2014 Permalink | Reply
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    2010: Dawn Schiller Talks To Radio Show 

    Susan Murphy Milano (RIP) was a radio show host, blogger, activist and author for topics like violence towards women, stalking, child abuse. You can check out Dawn’s interview and discussion below. Susan Milano died two years ago, but thankfully she got this interview down in the books. (and no, Susan Milano is not Susan Launius, they just have the same maiden name)

    Susan and Dawn speak for about an hour, and topics are of course:  John Holmes, Dawn’s early childhood, her father, mother, human trafficking.

    Thrown into the waiting arms of adult film star and predator, John Holmes, Dawn Schiller survived years of abuse, substance addiction and human trafficking. Dawn survived the bloody and tragic “Wonderland” murders, and was victimized again when law enforcement claimed her as a wanted fugitive. We will discuss her journey for the entire hour and her work with the phenomena of “Throwaway Teens” and how to identify, recognize and save others before they become a statistic.


    • Brandy 11:42 am on February 17, 2014 Permalink | Reply

      I think I’ve heard enough of Dawn Schiller for a lifetime.

    • Jill C. Nelson 4:31 pm on February 17, 2014 Permalink | Reply

      “He was quite a romantic. He set it up at the beach, that it just so happened that my sister wasn’t there and he asked me to go camping by myself. It was like we both knew that it was the night.
      We went to Malibu, Zuma Beach and went to Leo Carrillo, a campsite there. It was a full moon, low in the sky. It was perfect and he was very quiet. I can remember just watching him as I walked along the beach, sat on the rocks and watched the moon. It was very magical. Without saying anything, he got down from that rock, took my hand and walked to the van. That was the night. He was extremely gentle and just awesome. I felt as if I was his newborn child or something — that’s how precious he treated me.” — Dawn Schiller, John Holmes: A Life Measured in Inches © 2008, Jennifer Sugar and Jill C. Nelson (original dialogue and script text from WADD: The Life & Times of John C. Holmes, provided by Hustler Video.)

      No matter how anyone might feel about the action itself, I post this excerpt above simply as an illustration of the contrasting depictions (by Schiller) of this night shared between Schiller and Holmes in the interview she did for WADD, compared to TRTW. It seems that every time the story is described, it changes somewhat. The event itself and the emotions expressed between the WADD interview and TRTW are quite different. I remember when I read about this experience in Dawn’s book, how surprised I was by the way in which the episode and her reaction to it had been adjusted. It’s one of many events that have been tweaked. This is why Dawn did not want Sugar and I to use her WADD transcripts for our bio.

    • John 5:19 pm on February 17, 2014 Permalink | Reply

      Thanks Jill. I was going to comment on conflicting statements about Dawn’s time in Florida, post Wonderland… But I didn’t have my references handy. As discissed before on this blog, the selling of Dawn on the beach to Tricks and Big Marge “saving her” and the LA gumshoes tracking her tothe strip club. Too many versions of events floating around from Dawn.

      • criticextraordinaire 6:36 pm on February 17, 2014 Permalink | Reply

        I think that was Big Rosie and some dude named Joe from the snack shop at the Fountainhead. Now there would be a real score, if somebody could track them down to get their version of the happenings in Miami back then.

        I wonder if Dawn has enough material for another book?

        • John 5:37 pm on February 18, 2014 Permalink

          Yes, Joe and also the Cuban guy who was a male stripper who also stayed at Fountainhead. When John could not find steady work the stripper guy allegedly let Dawn clean his room a few times… Luckily cig’s and beer were cheap back then. Crazy times!!

      • Jill C. Nelson 10:46 am on February 18, 2014 Permalink | Reply

        “As discissed before on this blog, the selling of Dawn on the beach to Tricks and Big Marge “saving her” and the LA gumshoes tracking her tothe strip club. Too many versions of events floating around from Dawn.”

        Yes, and the story about “Louise the stripper.” I don’t doubt that a stripper named Louise factored into the events in Florida, but again the version in TRTW is not exactly how detectives Lange and Tomlinson described it to us.
        It’s always best to stick to one truthful account of a story, especially when there are people still alive who can attest otherwise.

    • jimmy---chicago 5:49 pm on February 17, 2014 Permalink | Reply

      Dosent statutory rape come into play with those two at least in the beginning

      • John 8:02 am on February 18, 2014 Permalink | Reply

        I guess in those days it was a slap on the wrist, but if Holmes were alive, they could still go after him maybe? The thing is, I think Dawn chased him just as much as he chased her. I’m reminded of my little sister. She was 16 in the 1980s, in love and chased after this 20 yr old douche-bag until he finally relented and went out with her. A few years later, with kid in tow, they broke up and she wanted the courts and judge to have him arrested for initially molesting her (because of her age). Divorce can be a hateful thing. The court did not see it her way. He’s actually a good man, and has always paid support and visited my niece. He’s just a regular dad.

      • Anon4now 12:23 am on September 20, 2014 Permalink | Reply

        Statute of limitations comes into play. And, it appears that many dependants of Vietnam and Vietnam-era veterans just don’t get to live with their parents, end of story and a reason why never to lose a war. As ridiculous as it seems for a seemingly stable couple to abandon their child to a porn star, it may have been simple in a way if Holmes really was a veteran. And that’s an “if.”

        Additionally, the California legal age of consent was lessened from 21 to 18 in 1971, if I remember right. The rationale was that if a person was old enough to get drafted and sent into war, that person should be old enough to behave as an adult. That was a rather broad statement; if I remember right, the legal drinking age was 21 (as it is now) and the same with smoking, both those remained unchanged, but I might be wrong on the latter point. And that was the problem: maybe some people didn’t know if they were legal or not at the time. I remember when the law got passed, and I didn’t think much about it then, but I don’t remember why not. I don’t remember my parents or anyone else’s parents talking about it, and actually very few of my school chums.

        But anyway, statutory rape statute of limitations has long since expired for any contact in that era (’70s and ’80s) that wasn’t between teen girls and Catholics, as we’ve been reading in the papers. Non-violent contact, maybe even with the parent’s knowledge if not their explicit consent, was sort of overlooked then. Not really condoned, I guess, but there goes all the hippie girls to the Grateful Dead concerts and coming home pregnant. Dead head for sure.

        And, if no criminal charges are ever timely filed, and if the statute of limitations has expired, constant mention of a subject like might actually be harassment and slander. Except in Holme’s case there’s photographic evidence, isn’t there?

        Personally, all the best wishes to Schiller. But working at an university in Oregon; is that the best employment for a woman with her experiences? Sex and drug registration laws are strictly enforced in California now, and if Holmes would ever have been prosecuted for his relationship with Schiller, he would have had to register as a sex offender for life. Registration laws here are no joke: Sex offender registration is for life, drug offender isn’t, as the first is Penal Code, the latter Health & Safety and simply expires after a certain time period. Holmes would have had to register as both had he not have been such a snitch when he was busted. But, that’s where the idiocy of the state’s citizenry comes into play, as the citizens who follow registration don’t know the difference in the laws, to them all is unending registration that a felon must endure for the rest of his (or her) life unless they tell.

        And that’s how important this Holmes trial was, how much impact it had on the state’s legislation. It really changed things; so many laws have been altered it’s hard to keep track of it all if you didn’t have a hint somewhere along the line. People watch this movie and read Schiller’s stories, and they say “Not again!” And that’s the end of casual contact with California women, sung about so much by the Beach Boys. Drug offender registration isn’t just for opiates (like Lind and Barbara are shown doing so much of. They’d be registered offenders, too), it’s for supplying pot to minors. Simple pot smokers don’t always escape the registration game even with the new legalization movement. This movie hits home on California legislation and court procedure in a vital time period: Shortly after the end of Vietnam, and less than a decade from the lessening of the state’s legal age of consent. Total confusion, and with all the money behind Holmes’ profession, and all the impact that Lind brought with him, the state got put into even more of a spin with this Wonderland trial. But that’s all part of the game, too.

        Why doesn’t Schiller work at a California university? And please post this, John. There’s nothing inflammatory in it and it touches on some important California issues that led to the confusion of the ’70s and later decades.

    • localarts 8:33 pm on February 17, 2014 Permalink | Reply

      Big Time! Guys are sent to prison for this kind of thing every day.

    • jimmy---chicago 8:38 pm on February 17, 2014 Permalink | Reply

      My mind was blown the other day . I looked on the sex offender list on line no matter where you live thet are everyware litterally .Type in your address its crazy

    • Brandy 10:50 pm on February 17, 2014 Permalink | Reply

      If Dawn needs money, Dawn will find material for another book.

    • Jim 9:49 am on February 19, 2014 Permalink | Reply

      What people need to remember is that when someone (and we all do this) is telling of an incident(s) they were involved in they always try to cast themselves in the best light. In Dawn’s case the “best light” is the role of complete victim. This is not to excuse Holmes. What he did to her in 1975 was terrible and illegal. However people need to realize that Dawn did not remain 15 years old from 1975 to 1981. She was making the same type of choices in 1975 that she was making in 1981. Keep in mind Dawn was 20 or 21 when she chose to return to LA from Oregon to go back to Holmes soon before the Wonderland incident.

    • localarts 10:28 am on February 19, 2014 Permalink | Reply

      My thoughts exactly Jim. Although, I believe it was 1976.

  • John 8:52 am on February 17, 2014 Permalink | Reply
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    Old Article Shows Location of Governor Brown’s House 

    Early news reports indicated that Governor Jerry Brown’s house was “right around the corner” from Wonderland. Well, I had never been able to locate his home in Laurel Canyon, but according to this old map, it truly is “right around the corner”.

    I would like to have been a fly on the wall at Jerry’s breakfast table that morning when he cracked open the newspaper to see his private home shown on a map with two famous murder scenes.

    July 3, 1981. Associated Press.

    July 3, 1981. Associated Press.

    • localarts 9:40 am on February 17, 2014 Permalink | Reply

      I bet Jerry shit a brick when he read that. I wonder if he moved to the “valley” afterwards.

      • Bobby 1:57 am on February 19, 2014 Permalink | Reply

        I reckon Eddie Nash shat an even bigger brick when he found out that a woman had survived the attacks and there were detectives by her bedside! 😉

    • Gayle 9:52 pm on August 3, 2014 Permalink | Reply

      Noguchi was definitely the LA coroner at the right time! Cool newspaper clip!

  • John 7:22 am on February 14, 2014 Permalink | Reply
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    Horace “Big Mac” McKenna Featured On New TV Show 

    “Tell my mother I love her”.   –Big Mac’s last words to his chaffeur

    Horace “Big Mac” McKenna has been discussed here in the past. He was a former CHiP (highway patrol cop) and a strip club and night club owner in L.A. He was known to have been an associate or at least knew Ron Launius. The two possibly met while in jail in Southern California in either 1977 or 78, as Ron’s sentence was winding down after his transfer from McNeil Island Federal Penitentiary to a unit in SoCal. But that’s just my speculation, based on Ronnie’s timeline and discussions with members of this blog. Ron may have also known McKenna’s partner, Mike Woods, or Woods’ buddy and later business partner, a former bouncer named David Amos.

    Big Mac’s murder and the events that happened at the end of his life will be featured on a new Investigation Discovery crime show hosted by Jerry Springer. So far, the new series has received good reviews from viewer comments that I have read. This new show is called “Tabloid”. And Horace’s episode is titled “Ex-Cop X’ed!”. Check out the preview video here. I believe this episode will be featured next Thursday, Feb. 20 at 10pm eastern time. Check your local cable or satellite listings. Discovery ID/Investigation Discovery.

    A year or two before his murder in the mid 80s, the men who conspired to kill Horace also produced a few B-movies, or straight-to-video films, one of them titled “Flipping” had a similar plot and murder scene as Horace’s real-life demise. 

    The two (McKenna and Woods) quickly rose in the strip club universe and, within only three years, were owners of the “Valley Ball” in Van Nuys, and “Bare Elegance” and the “Jet Strip” in Los Angeles and were wealthy, powerful men.  –Carbon Canyon Chronicle

    There is also an episode from the series City Confidential about Horace, titled “Silenced Partner”. I have watched City Confidential before… but, I don’t know if that show is still aired regularly. Help me out if you find it, post a link. I have not seen “Silenced Partner”.

    Go to the Carbon Canyon Chronicle to read the entire McKenna story and to see reader comments, some of which claim to have known Big Mac or these other gents.

    A few photos from Big Mac’s funeral in 1989. It was a media circus.

    • localarts 11:43 am on February 15, 2014 Permalink | Reply

      Will definitely watch it. They might have a different take on McKenna than City Confidential. Damn, I feel sorry for that horse.

    • Ray Johnson 5:04 pm on February 17, 2014 Permalink | Reply

      I was stationed with Big Mac (Hoss back then) in Guam 1961-62 and El Toro where he won the Mr El Toro contest in 1963. We trained for Vietnam but were never sent. I was Big Mac’s workout partner. We always backed each other up in many fights. He was a great friend – very loyal.

    • McKenna Vaughan 1:07 pm on March 11, 2014 Permalink | Reply

      @Ray, Yes Horace was Very Loyal! If he didn’t like you, you damned well knew it! And knew why.. Never in my life had I met anyone like Him!!!

  • John 12:42 pm on February 12, 2014 Permalink | Reply
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    The Real Eddie Nash? 

    There will always be speculation about Eddie Nash, what he was really like, etc. I’ve touched on that topic before and every so often I get an email or see a post on YouTube or the Wonderland Wikipedia “Talk” page with comments like “You didn’t even know Eddie, he was awesome”. Or, “…he paid his employees top dollar and rewarded loyalty to good workers”, and so on. A few have claimed that “they invaded his home, they deserved what they got! I would have done the same thing to those dopers”. I can just see Ed thinking post-robbery that “my life has come to this? I’m  a fucking loser” LOL. He was quite pissed off! as Detective Tom Lange told Julia Negron.

    So Ed had some good qualities. I don’t doubt that a bit. Just read the blog posts from Lee who worked at the Starwood. If we look at this excerpt from John Gilmore’s book, “Scary Monsters and Super Freaks”, we get a clear view of the Nash from the late 50s and early 60s era, when he owned the hot dog stand and before he became co-owner of PJ’s Night Club (this location later became the Starwood in the 1970s). I think that in between owning the hot dog stand and PJ’s, Eddie also owned and ran a Lebanese Cafe.

    However, in all of the famous articles and books about Wonderland, nobody ever mentions his marriage and family life. Legs McNeil touches on it via an interview with club owner, Chris Cox, but there are no details. So if Ed met John Holmes in the late 70s, then Ed had already begun his downward spiral into drugs, women, partying, etc. Also, his divorce was finalized exactly ONE MONTH after the murders. Ed was in a bad place to be messed with. The Wonderland guys picked a VERY bad time to rob Eddie via home invasion. Lest we forget also, that Eddie received karma as well. His illegitimate son was stabbed to death, along with Ed’s ex-girlfriend, by that biker guy in the mid 80s.

    The last paragraph which lists Eddie’s ailments and stuff… most of that happened to him post-Wonderland. For, he looks rather healthy in the 1981 era photos.

    Nice Guy Eddie.

    Nice Guy Eddie.

    • localarts 4:50 pm on February 12, 2014 Permalink | Reply

      I remember reading a story about June Schuyler & Nash. Nash seemed to display empathy and kindness toward her son but at the same time you have to remember Eddie Nash projected himself the way he wanted to be seen by others. In the end, I think Nash threatened to kill Schuyler entire family.

      Nash was a bad guy and drugs only amplified this. Same with Holmes.

      • John 7:35 am on February 14, 2014 Permalink | Reply

        Yes, there is another occasion where Nash threatened to kill his ex-wife and her entire family if she did not bring the kids back to LA. “Don’t come back to LA, I will have someone kill you at the airport” (based on interview with Mrs. Nash by Legs McNeil)

    • jimmy---chicago 9:16 pm on February 12, 2014 Permalink | Reply

      In the movie the robbery of eddie nash looked a little ruff but I read in this blog that Ronnie started to cut Diles with a knife ,now that would freak the shit out of anybody .You are not just getting robbed but fucked with possably a little torture and wasent it Ronnie who wanted to kill a maid in the bath tub on another robbery .They made there bed and had to lay in it .I am in no way saying they deserved it but then again I have never had my home invaded an smacked around in the process Diles and Nash probably thought that they were going to kill them and when it was over they probably felt a sigh of relief and fuck this I wont let this ever happen to me again.Billy and Ronnie should have been up all night
      being on guard how stupid I bet nash was more carefull about his security after that. Tony Accardo the godfather of the chicago mob was robbed in the early eighties around same time as wonderland and he had all the mob burglers tortured and killed involved or not just to set a presidence not to fuck with the big man so be careful on who you screw over

      • criticextraordinaire 5:36 am on February 13, 2014 Permalink | Reply

        “I am in no way saying they deserved it”… I’ll say it then. There are some crimes that call for ruthless street justice and what happened to Eddie is one of those times. Ronnie and Billy got what they had coming. Break into a guy’s house, put a gun at him, shoot his bodyguard, snort lines off his daughter’s vanity mirror, steal his money and dope… You’re asking for it.

      • John 7:34 am on February 14, 2014 Permalink | Reply

        Yes, as localarts said once, Diles had a rough morning. Got grazed by Lind’s accidental gun fire and then Ronnie tried to dry shave him with a Rambo type knife. LOL.

    • localarts 7:11 am on February 13, 2014 Permalink | Reply

      Whether or not they deserved it is beside the point. Like Leggs McNeil said, the mistake they made was not killing Nash & Diles. Holmes deserved to die for being stupid enough to suggest the home invasion robbery to begin with and of course his involvement in the murders themselves.

      • criticextraordinaire 7:26 pm on February 13, 2014 Permalink | Reply

        I agree with you there, localarts. Ronnie slipped up by not finishing off Eddie & Greg. He knew better and it ended up costing him his life. If you pull that sort of crap on a guy like Eddie, you better be prepared to go all the way, ’cause he’s gonna come after you with everything he’s got.

        • Bobby 12:16 am on February 14, 2014 Permalink

          It’s utterly confounding that the Wonderland gang didn’t do more to avoid the retribution that was undoubtedly coming their way. They had to know that Nash wasn’t gonna take it lying down, hence why they were contemplating skipping town. They also had to know Holmes would squeal once Nash got a hold of him so why the hell did they continue to stay in contact with him? He wasn’t to be trusted, period. Don’t let him into your apartment in the early hours of the morning!! Nash would’ve taken all of 3 seconds to work out that Holmes was behind it all! Real amateur mistakes that ended up costing their lives. There’s a very good chance that they could’ve gotten away with the robbery but instead they got lazy and complacent and totally screwed everything.

        • localarts 7:31 am on February 14, 2014 Permalink

          “You Better Cancel Christmas” —- Gregory Dewitt Diles.

    • jimmy---chicago 8:13 pm on February 13, 2014 Permalink | Reply

      Eddie is no different than most not all risky businesses owners.By risky I mean dive bars ,clubs,strip joints and liquor stores the type of places that most people dont care about even law enforcement dosent car about the well being of these places .The video poker machines, pool tables and juke boxes
      are usually supplied by mob owned amusement companies .You can’t come off as mr rogers when you have these type of businesses the people you have to deal with just to get up and running are going to see how far they can go with you .Mabe you opned a joint in someones territory and now you have to pay some wiseguy asshole a monthly fee to even open up .Eddie is also a product of his environment he comes from a place that stone women that have been raped ,cut off hands of thieves and other awfull things .Its called Middle eastern justice and there are a lot of immigrents in this country
      who want sharia law here. So these people are all over the place . How many murderers did you walk past today and said hi .Mabe you like to get hi where did it come from whose hands touched it first.Any way Eddie is no mystery we all deal with his type every day.I also think like ronnie his reputation keeps growing .I dont believe ronnie killed 27 people and I dont believe the 40 acres in the desert story with eddie but I do believe eddie did wonderland and ronnie probably did the mexico thing and mabe someone else . Enough of my rambling 4 to day

      • localarts 12:03 pm on February 14, 2014 Permalink | Reply

        I have always had trouble with Ronnie and the 27 murders. I don’t know about everybody else on this forum but I have followed or read about Wonderland since the 1980’s and I had never read or heard about the 27 a ledged murders until Long Time Money & Lots of Cocaine came out. As far as I know, that the only published account to makes these claims about Launius.

        If I’m not mistaken, the 40 acres of desert property story was told to James Cox via someone who worked for the LAPD during that time period. It may or may not be true but I wouldn’t put it past Eddie to have at least 5 acres!! Even though it’s extremely difficult to believe anything John Holmes say’s, Holmes, Schiller and Scott Thorson all made references to “people disappearing in the desert”

        You make some very good points Jimmy C.

        • criticextraordinaire 7:32 pm on February 14, 2014 Permalink

          I think the bidding STARTS with 27. Remember, when the news got out that Ronnie was dead, cops all over California were celebrating. I read somewhere (maybe it was here) that one cop mentioned of Ronnie’s funeral “Well he won’t need many pall bearers”, and when asked to elaborate he said “A trash can only has two handles”. Ronnie outsmarted all the cops though, and I suppose that’s why they hated him, the one who always got away. The only man in California who could bring him down was Eddie Nash… and himself.

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    • Bobby 12:40 am on February 14, 2014 Permalink | Reply

      Can’t say I much believe the 40 acres in the desert story either. From what I understand Eddie was a businessman first (a pretty good one by the looks of things!) and a “gangster” second. Really though, what more do we know about the gangster side of Eddie? Did he used to rough up people himself or have his heavies do this sorta dirty work? Did he ever have anyone killed? Did he ever have anyone kneecapped? Why did he have a bodyguard.. had he amassed quite a few enemies that he needed protecting from? Other than hearing the media continually refer to him as a Nightclub owner and gangster I have yet to come across any solid evidence (other than the Wonderland crime) to support the latter labelling. Anyone care to shine some light on this? Perhaps I missed an entry here on this blog re: Eddie nefarious gangsterism…

    • localarts 10:13 am on February 15, 2014 Permalink | Reply

      Yeah, James Cox embellished a few things for “dramatic effect” there’s no doubt about that. When David Lind went to the police, Tom Lange said Lind was popping uppers & downers during the interview. When Lind was told Barbara Richardson was dead, Lange said David Lind threw a chair across the room or something like that. This of course was never in the movie but should have!

    • localarts 6:07 pm on February 15, 2014 Permalink | Reply

      Wow Critic. At least 27?? Out of curiosity, why do you believe that? I mean were talking Ted Bundy type numbers!

      • criticextraordinaire 7:27 pm on February 15, 2014 Permalink | Reply

        Well you have to figure that if the known total was 27, there were probably a few others that the cops never found out about. Like the dudes in Mexico who unwisely kidnapped Susan. The cops would not have cared about those guys.

        • jimmy---chicago 9:25 am on February 16, 2014 Permalink

          Do we even know if the mexico thing really happned.In the Nils interview he said or refered to that mexico thing as overglorified (what does that mean) are we talking about a deal with a couple of shady mexicans over the border that went bad.Every time I hear this story it involves a drug cartel .This is where it turns into a big fish story. What did he do come busting in like the guns of navarone bazuka in one hand and a 50 calaber in the other swinging in through the window with the rope clinched between his teeth.He wasent Rambo and how does this fit into the timeline?This to me would be the biggest story or the most interesting story of ronnie .Now we get to the 27 murders . Who are the 27 and just because ronnie was murdered that dosent stop an investigation let alone 27 investigations this would be a big deal and a promotion for the person who solves 27 murders and ties it to one person.Also who was he doing hits for another drug dealer well if he has 27 dead beat customers he’s outta business and if ronnie did all of the above that I Briefly touched on he never would have been so stupid to get murdered in his sleep. I dont think susan would have been around for wonderland if the mexico thing really went down I could be wrong.I have reason to believe susan was trying to dump ronnie while he was in jail for those years.She realized that she was not going anyware with ronnie .The guy steals for a living and would not be able to consistantly provide for her .Well thats what I think.

        • criticextraordinaire 2:18 pm on February 16, 2014 Permalink

          Jimmy it’s called “codependency”. People who stick around somebody who is obviously bad for them. Either because they think they can’t do better (low self esteem), or because they feel it is their duty to try and “change” the malefactor (messiah complex). Happens all the time. There are codependency rehab counselors making a career out of this all over the country.

          I don’t think Ronnie would have done the guns of Navarone routine. He would have been discreet, taking out the opposition one by one. Each guy would, however, know who did him in and why. After all, the Mexican thing was about revenge, not business. But its hard to tell exactly what happened because all the Mexican guys are dead and so is Ronnie.

        • criticextraordinaire 5:27 pm on February 16, 2014 Permalink

          Plus, Ronnie was probably a pretty good provider. I mean, he got out of the military in ’72 I think and was able to make a living up until July of ’81. His line of business can get you lots of money (unless you violate “Rule Number One” which seems to have been the gang’s problem). If you get his sort of notoriety it’s because you are scoring money. Yeah he served some time in jail during that time period but you have to income-average. She could have done worse.

    • localarts 6:38 pm on February 16, 2014 Permalink | Reply

      Critic, as much as you want to believe these stories about Launius and yes it does make for a fascinating tale, there really is no evidence to substantiate it. In 1972 an undercover narcotics officers had various dealings with Launius in Sacramento (it never stated he was arrested for dealing)

      Launius was however arrested later in 72 for weapons possession in another part of Northern California.
      I can’t remember the city though. The problem I have with the 27 potential homicides committed by Launius is…why did the police only mention 1? It’s been over 32 years since Ronnie took a dirt nap and still there has never been any mention of the 27 murders in reference to Ron Launius by any branch of law enforcement, at least not in printed format.

      I think it’s safe to say Launius spent a majority of the 1970’s either in jail, federal prison or some half way house. 70, 71, 72 USAF. 73 busted for narcotics trafficking, makes bail and flees to Mexico. 74, 75,76,77,78 incarcerated. I have no idea when in 78 he was released, but he gains his freedom in 1978.

      I’m thinking that if this was in fact true then Wonderland would have been an even bigger story back in 81. “Ronald Launius suspected in at least 27 murders was one of four people found bludgeoned to death” Now how’s that for a headline!

      Ronald Lee Launius may very well have murdered 27 or more people but allot of things surrounding this just don’t make sense??

      • criticextraordinaire 7:30 pm on February 16, 2014 Permalink | Reply

        Well of course it kinda got swept under the rug. What were the cops gonna say? “Hey this guy we suspect of all these crimes, the only person who could pinch him was Eddie Nash.” While they were happy to see their nemesis’ demise, they were also embarrassed; they never did catch their target. Then Eddie embarrassed them some more. They couldn’t even convict Johnny Wad.

        Besides, I would imagine most if not all of the 27 were unsavory characters. They only wanted Ronnie because of his main line of business anyway. Once Ronnie was dead, they had more pressing issues.

      • John 8:12 am on February 18, 2014 Permalink | Reply

        Ron was quite teflon himself. He beat gun and drug charges in the early 70s. He was acquitted. I wonder who his lawyer was? Anyhoo, in reading Ron’s appeal for his smuggling conviction, he may have had the conviction reversed on appeal if he had not plead guilty (if I read that legal document correctly). That case regarding “double jeopardy” has been cited over the years by other cases. The key is, not to plead guilty though.

    • jimmy---chicago 4:44 pm on February 17, 2014 Permalink | Reply

      Street wise, joint wise, and con wise.But not wise enough to stay alert after stealing all that shit fron nash

    • John 5:22 pm on February 17, 2014 Permalink | Reply

      Being con-wise and such, Ron and Bill should have known Holmes would fuck it all up. But, with all the dope and nrwfound wealth, they were not thinking clearly.

    • localarts 5:22 pm on February 17, 2014 Permalink | Reply

      The gang was planning on fleeing to Hawaii but partied too long on Nash’s stash, big mistake. The gang should have purchased their airline tickets in advance and Ronnie should have told Cherokee to have everybody’s luggage waiting for them at LAX. Joy & Barbara tell Holmes they are going to the canyon country store to get some smokes (there really headed to the Hilton) McCourt drives straight to the airport form Nash’s house. The gang rents a room at the Hilton, everybody gets their cut, and they party till the sun comes up the following morning, have breakfast and casually board a flight to Maui.

      All the time Holmes is still waiting at 8763 wondering WTF.

      • criticextraordinaire 6:31 pm on February 17, 2014 Permalink | Reply

        And yet there was John Holmes, still alive. John was a survivor and he was surviving.

    • Jeremy 3:10 pm on January 22, 2015 Permalink | Reply

      Deserve has nothing to do with it. If you associate with known murderer’s and drug dealers, and make no mistake about it, Nash was both. Let’s not forget that the rumors surrounding Nash at the time involved him lobbying head’s off and barring them in the desert. True or not, at the least a cause for pause. So they had to have known that what transpired was real possibility. On the other hand if Nash was such a great guy as said article implies, then who sends someone to murder other human beings, regardless of what offensive was layed at his feet. He didn’t just have the people who robbed him killed. There are two victims that for all intense purposes had nothing to do with the robbery. Let’s not forget that!!

  • John 9:20 am on February 11, 2014 Permalink | Reply

    John Holmes Last Known Address 

    According to Scott at findadeath.com, this is John’s last physical address before he was admitted into the Veteran’s Hospital in L.A.

    Go here and you can view the lobby, elevator and their apartment door. Scott has been tracking down all types of celebs and their final days, so he is pretty good at getting the info. In most cases, it’s pretty sad to see how destitute and broke some old TV and movie stars really were, before they passed on.

    Scott also runs Dearly Departed Tours, from which our lovely friend, Bonnie, took a tour last year and really enjoyed it.


    Panorama City, CA

    • Bonnie Brae 9:24 am on February 11, 2014 Permalink | Reply

      She sure did! I mean I sure did. It’s a great tour. Scott knows his stuff. Thanks for this post John. Get me an addy and I will make a video driving from here to Eddie Nashes house. ha

    • Jill C. Nelson 2:16 pm on February 11, 2014 Permalink | Reply

      It’s not a bad looking building from the front, but hard to say what it was like in ’87 when John and Laurie (and Laurie’s son) were living there. There had been a pool then, Laurie had said, but that overall, it was an average apartment. They’d had dogs and cats. As many people are aware, Holmes was a big fan of yard sales and flea markets. Laurie still has a few pieces of furniture that she and John had owned while living here which he restored. The photo at the following link shows John and Laurie in 1985, a year prior to receiving news that he was sick. http://johnholmesinches.blogspot.ca/2011/12/second-edition-of-inches-now-available.html

      Thanks, John.

    • jimmy---chicago 4:51 pm on February 11, 2014 Permalink | Reply

      Nice building I wonder what the rent is like now for a place like that its not fancy like what chuck negrone’s but I see places like that all over, the type of place where people who have decent jobs live not high end but not yuca flats either

    • criticextraordinaire 7:12 pm on February 11, 2014 Permalink | Reply

      They need to put up a historical marker at that location, “John Holmes Slept Here”. Maybe one of those thingies that they embed in the sidewalk, or one of those old-school cast iron historical signs that has a brief story on it.

    • jimmy---chicago 8:49 pm on February 12, 2014 Permalink | Reply

      How about a huge phalic symbol like they used all through ancient history

  • John 10:14 am on February 7, 2014 Permalink | Reply

    The Negron's Ordered Delivery From Greenblatt’s Deli 

    Not much today, but I broke down and ordered Chuck’s book “Three Dog Nightmare”. It arrived the other day. I owned it once before, but lost it before I could really read it all. Man, with the cost of that book, you would think Chuck was still supporting a $2,000 a day junk habit. Thus, I had to dip into my own drug money to afford Chuck’s book about drugs. It’s true though, Joy Miller did have a big crush on him. But, he was 6’4″ and she about 4’11”. How was that ever going to work out.

    Anyways, for days and weeks on end, the Negrons would stay holed up at home, doing drugs and ordering food from Greenblatt’s Deli on Sunset. Open until 2 am, 365 days a year.

    Greenblatt's Deli on Sunset

    Greenblatt’s Deli on Sunset

    In the late 80s, I found an address for Chuck and he was living at these sweet condos in Santa Monica. Each condo has a view of the beach. They are referred to as “The Bunker”. He wasn’t broke yet!

    “The Bunker”

    “The Bunker”


    • Brandy 10:19 am on February 7, 2014 Permalink | Reply

      Thanks John! I’ve been waiting patiently for someone to do the expensive work for me and buy that book! I’m hoping Julia’s book is a bit more reasonable. But your synopsis is pretty much what I expected. The “bunker” is gorgeous.

      • John 10:57 am on February 7, 2014 Permalink | Reply

        I had scored his book before, but my car was in the shop for a month, book gone, don’t know if it was in car, never saw the book again. It’s not at home, so someone is walking around with Chuck’s book, LOL

    • Brandy 10:24 am on February 7, 2014 Permalink | Reply

      Side note….my husband is 6’3″ and I am 5’0″ and it works out just fine.

    • John 11:07 am on February 7, 2014 Permalink | Reply

      At this link, you can also get a glimpse into Chuck’s song royalty and payment situation, how he makes some money from all those great old songs, etc… http://news.google.com/newspapers?id=BMk0AAAAIBAJ&sjid=LmsFAAAAIBAJ&pg=5543%2C575573

      • criticextraordinaire 4:48 pm on February 8, 2014 Permalink | Reply

        Well, let’s hope that Chuck has enough money coming in from “Joy to the World” royalties that he can have his exploding schlong properly tended to by the medical community. 😀

  • John 7:22 am on January 30, 2014 Permalink | Reply
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    Scott Thorson Is Headed To The Pokey 

    As OJ Simpson found out, you don’t go to Vega$ and screw around with crime. That city has a zero tolerance policy, and where you may get a paltry sentence for what OJ and Scott Thorson did in another state, Nevada will kick your ass instead. That place has enough assholes running around pulling scams and committing crimes. Scott initially received probation but now he’s looking at his original sentence of 8 to 20 years …. well, read more below from USA Today. He failed his drug test (again).

    RENO, Nev. (AP) — A former lover of Liberace who was the subject of an HBO film on the pianist’s life has been sentenced to eight to 20 years in a Nevada prison for failing another court-ordered drug test while on probation for burglary and identity theft convictions.

    Washoe District Judge Patrick Flanagan sentenced Scott Thorson on Wednesday after a string of bad drug tests capped by his failure to show up at a court-ordered treatment facility.

    Flanagan originally suspended the prison sentence in July and gave Thorson a second chance in September after testing positive for methamphetamine, but he failed tests twice in October and again on Nov. 1. He was arrested Nov. 19 after violating an order to enter an inpatient treatment facility in Reno two weeks earlier, court records show.

    Thorson, 54, whose real name is Jess Marlow, had admitted he was an addict but insisted he was determined to get sober when he tearfully appealed to the judge in September to spare him from prison.

    “I’m just asking for another chance,” Thorson said, explaining he was dealing with his newfound celebrity stature.”

    “I can’t help who I am,” he told the judge at the time. “I’m in show business. I attract these cameras.”

    Flanagan said it would be his “last chance.”

    “I’m not impressed — I don’t think anybody is — with this so-called celebrity status,” he said. “You’re just like any other addict who has committed a crime against a victim.”

    Thorson had said his goal was is to write another book on the heels of his Behind the Candelabra, which was used as the basis for the HBO film of the same name that won the Golden Globe for best TV movie earlier this month. Matt Damon played Thorson in the film, and Michael Douglas, who donned the flamboyant costumes to play Liberace, claimed his fourth Golden Globe for his work.

    Deputy District Attorney John Helzer said in urging prison time in September that Thorson had been trying to capitalize on his fame since he told arresting officers last year he couldn’t afford the bad publicity of going to jail.

    “He’s not a celebrity. He’s a story,” Helzer said. “It’s one of accusation and manipulation and failure.”

    • localarts 10:28 am on January 30, 2014 Permalink | Reply

      It wouldn’t have mattered if the judge had given him ten chances, Thorson will probably die in prison.

    • criticextraordinaire 9:35 pm on January 31, 2014 Permalink | Reply

      I wonder if Eddie has any guys on the inside who could get to him?

      • John 8:30 am on February 1, 2014 Permalink | Reply

        We must remember, Fast Eddie beat that rap. He got the last laugh once again, that teflon bad ass!

        • localarts 10:13 am on February 1, 2014 Permalink

          It’s easy to beat the rap in California. Ed Nash was just another in a long list of high profile cases that walked…pretty sad when you think about it.

    • localarts 7:25 am on February 1, 2014 Permalink | Reply

      I’m sure he does. Eddie will be 85 this year that in its self is amazing… With his age, I doubt he cares anymore or even remembers who Thorson is.

      • criticextraordinaire 8:49 am on February 1, 2014 Permalink | Reply

        Yea Eddie’s the man. I wish HBO or one od the studios would do a biopic on him. Ronnie too.

      • John W 12:10 pm on February 1, 2014 Permalink | Reply

        Criticx and localarts… And all readers. Some company has greenlighted the process to pursue and vent a certain movie script based on Ron Launius’ life. Just FYI, I’ll keep ya posted. Also coming next week, a certain Brady Bunch cast member partied… Well, you’ll have to wait n see!!

        • criticextraordinaire 1:44 pm on February 1, 2014 Permalink

          AWESOME NEWS, John. I’ve been waiting for something like this for ages. 🙂

        • John 9:10 am on February 2, 2014 Permalink

          This film group is out of Austin, Texas. More to come!

    • localarts 3:14 pm on February 10, 2014 Permalink | Reply

      I just can’t imagine how accurate any movie about Launius would be. I know Roger Jacobs said Launius was alleged to have been involved in 27 murders while at the same time other news articles have quoted police as saying Ron Launius was nothing more than a “trouble maker” I think launius was discharged in 1972 went to federal prison in 74 transferred to LA in 77 and released in 78. Ron Launius had 4.5 to 5 year window between 72 & 81 to rack up that body count.

      You would think that if someone who was murdered were themselves involved in 27 murders, it would have been highly publicized.

  • John 8:17 am on January 23, 2014 Permalink | Reply
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    Read First Chapter Of Thorson’s “Behind The Candelabra” 

    You can probably find this book at any used bookstore for a buck or two, but in the meantime – check out the first chapter. Besides, how are you gonna keep them down on the farm once they’ve seen Liberace’s house!

    On November 11, 1918, headlines around, the globe trumpeted: PEACE! World War I, the war to end all wars, had come to an end. American doughboys were headed home and with them came a new sophistication, a new worldview. A popular song posed the question, “How’re you gonna keep them down on the farm after they’ve seen Paree?”

    There would be no keeping the boys who fought their way across Europe “down on the farm.” America was poised on the brink of an urban explosion that would be fueled by a technical revolution. Women abandoned their hobble skirts, became flappers, and emerged as a new social force. A booming economy and increased leisure time helped popularize new diversions like movies and radio. Flickering figures on a theater screen and electronically amplified voices coming from crystal tubes right in the living room pushed vaudeville to the brink of extinction. The entertainment industry would never be the same. All these events would have an effect on Liberace’s future.

    His birthplace, Milwaukee, Wisconsin, was a quiet backwater which didn’t respond quickly to the great events a home and abroad. Local farmers and men who worked the Great Lakes shipping trade still counted the weather more important than events overseas. The majority of the people descended from German immigrants; God-fearing, churchgoing, hardworking Lutherans who relaxed on weekends drinking the beer for which their city was famous. In the early years of the twentieth century, Milwaukee was a quiet, conservative community, an unlikely birthplace for the man who would call himself “Mr. Show Business.” Lee would never feel he belonged there.

    Read more

  • John 2:07 pm on January 10, 2014 Permalink | Reply
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    Porn Star’s Death Doesn’t Make For Humor 

    When John Holmes died in 1988, a local writer for the Texan, the school newspaper for the University of Texas, wrote a scathing rebuttal to an earlier hit piece in The Austin Chronicle (which is a free city paper found at any bus stop). The original column which I cannot find now, was titled something like “I’m glad he’s dead”. It was very brief, rude and is best summarized below by Lee Nichols. It’s strange, because as heated as both articles were, neither mentioned the Wonderland saga. Quite a bizarre war of words, and it happened 25+ years ago. In 1988, people still did not understand AIDS. Hell, I still remember the bad jokes. Famine, cancer and AIDS are just not good topics for comedy.

    Have a nice weekend.



    • criticextraordinaire 4:51 pm on January 10, 2014 Permalink | Reply

      The day that John died was indeed a sad one. I remember hearing the horrendous news as I drive into work that morning. When I arrived at the office I mentioned “Sad Day, John C. Holmes just passed away. “.

      A girl who worked for me was instantly dejected. “Johnny Wadd died? Man, I saw every one of his movies. This sucks.”

      ‘Twas the end of an era. The King was dead. Long Live the King. 😦

    • John W 5:37 pm on January 10, 2014 Permalink | Reply

      Yes, I was in the hallway at high school when I overheard the news. I had not seen any porn, shocking!, but I still knew who the King was.

    • Mark C 3:20 am on January 11, 2014 Permalink | Reply

      I remember back in 83 or 84 I was running Heavy Equipment & listen to radio all day long to pass the time.and I remember like it was yesterday that they said on FM radio station that soon you will be able to hear John Holmes right here on radio singing because he is right now in a studio making I think a whole music album.. I though to myself wow that going be strange to say the least. I think that one porn star woman done had made that Disco hit out few years before that. She did something the same during that whole song. So I guess I thought this could very well be possible & not a joke.
      But as we know now appears that is one dream did not come completely true for him.
      So I guess that scene in Boogie Nights do have some truth in it.
      Any of you remember hearing about this too??
      Not many people I know heard about that in my area, And myself mainly because dumb luck and having to spend 10 to 12 hours daily I was stuck in a little place with seat in something smaller than a phone booth.

    • criticextraordinaire 1:41 pm on January 11, 2014 Permalink | Reply

      Here’s a link to the original article http://www.michaelcorcoran.net/archives/2283

      “He who lives by the sword…”
      Posted: April 12, 2013 | Author: mcorcoran | Filed under: Uncategorized | Leave a comment »
      By Michael Corcoran

      Justice has prevailed. John “Johnny Wadd” Holmes has AIDS! Finally, the guy whose member looked like the whole goddamn club has paid his debt to a society of guys whose sexual satisfaction came mainly from tossing off in sweaty stag closets while Big John eyed Miss Utah runners-up and went about filling them softly with his schlong, which looked like it took four “D” cell batteries. How I hated the guy with the Marty Allen haircut and the state of Florida between his legs. There he was, flickering in the dark, beckoning a procession of love slaves to “lay some skull on me, bitch,” and there I’d be, pitifully fueling his libido with quarters I’d stolen from my uncle’s coin collection, until 40 pieces of silver later I’d200px-John_Holmes2 make like a clumsy parrot and spill my seed. I’d watch Johnny play the meat in a variety of sandwiches, shining his flashlight into countless caverns and then walk away from the money shot like he’d just played a few hands of gin rummy. Then I’d go home and repeatedly dial the first six digits of the phone number of the girl who stuck the ends of her hair up her nostrils in social studies. I swore than if I ever had, like one month to live, the first thing I’d do is hunt down and kill Johnny Wadd and then I’d tell the girl from social studies to lay some skull on me. If I had only a day or two to live, I’d tell her to lay some skull on me, bitch.

      Those years of sexual frustration are long gone for me; I’ve had skull laid on me in eight states and Nuevo Laredo, and still the news about Johnny Wadd read like the headlines on V-J Day. I was fairly ecstatic when he was sent to prison for a few years for refusing to identify the killers of some coke dealers, but knowing that he was bisexual and had made a few gay films it became sort of a good news/ bad news deal. But now… I’m walking on air.”

      You can bet there was no joy in Smutville when it was announced that the Great White Hope, the Larry Bird of penis size, the guy who made the man with the Golden Arm feel shortchanged, is now packing a deadly weapon in his BVDs. Heck, Seka probably can’t give it away these days. Since J.W. worked both sides of the street and did a deuce in the joint with guys who get hot when they see pictures of the Grand Canyon, the odds that he got the deadly dose from heterosexual intercourse are about what you’d expect a horse with Jimmy Breslin in the saddle to go off at. Still, he probably nailed a few hundred bleachpits since contracting AIDS, and I can’t recall Johnny Wadd ever rolling out the latex carpet while the farmers’ daughters stripped down to their neck scarves. There probably hasn’t been this much panic in the jizz biz since ’86 when a studio guard yelled out, “Here comes Traci Lords’ father and does he look mad!” Serves ‘em right, the lucky stiffs.

      If there is a God, and I’m beginning to feel like there is, he won’t send Johnny Wadd to either heaven or hell, but banish him to an eternity in a porno booth watching a loop of lonely guys with small thingies having sex with wayward starlets, while Roy Cohn looks through the glory hole and whispers “Need any help in there?”

    • jimmy---chicago 2:34 pm on January 13, 2014 Permalink | Reply

      I was born in 1970 most people who were born after that probably would not know who Holmes was and wonderland forget it try to bring up holmes to thirty somethings porn has exploded since then with movies going straight to dvd by the thousands movies being made in basements and motels everyware

    • localarts 6:03 pm on January 13, 2014 Permalink | Reply

      Very true Jimmy. Last summer a group of people I was with we’re talking about Behind the Candelabra; this eventually led us to talking about Wonderland. Out of the 12 or 13 people that were there (friends of friends) I think only 4 people knew who John Holmes was including me. People forget an entire generation has passed and technology has come a long, long way.

      • criticextraordinaire 7:32 pm on January 13, 2014 Permalink | Reply

        We need to educate the younger generation about John Holmes and his contemporaries. Hopefully his body of work has been preserved in digital format and archived in one of those underground vaults.

        • jimmy---chicago 7:30 am on January 14, 2014 Permalink

          I am suprised holmes and linda lovelace never met up in film

    • Jill C. Nelson 8:05 am on January 14, 2014 Permalink | Reply

      They met up, just never in film.

      • jimmy---chicago 11:47 am on January 15, 2014 Permalink | Reply

        Really I could not find anything that had them being in the same spot ever

    • Phil - Australia 10:41 pm on January 15, 2014 Permalink | Reply

      Great site! Can’t get enough of it with so much detail on offer….what’s Eddie Nash up to these days? Have you seen him lately John or read anything about him and his whereabouts?…the proposed book ‘four on the floor’ by the two detectives is nowhere to be found…any word if it will ever be published….thanks heaps John.

    • localarts 10:38 am on January 16, 2014 Permalink | Reply

      That interview with Niles is the crown jewel of this forum, it’s the freak’in bomb!

  • John 10:43 am on January 7, 2014 Permalink | Reply
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    Niece Tells What Happened To Starwood Manager, Gary Fontenot 

    Gary Fontenot was the manager of the Starwood and worked for Eddie Nash. You got to read a lot about Gary via excerpts that I posted from Lee’s book about his life in Rock and working at the Starwood. Read those posts here.

    This is what Angie had to say about her uncle Gary:

    My uncle is (was) Gary Fontenot. I would love to know more about him.

    Yes, I knew him as the coolest Uncle I had. He would come to Louisiana and visit every couple of years and my parents would fly me up to Hollywood for vacations. I remember when I was young (about 12 years old) they took me to the Starwood to see the place. It was unbelievable to my eyes. The stuff I saw in Gary’s office, I can still see it in my mind. When I graduated from high school in 1982 I flew up there and stayed with Gary for two weeks ~ an incredible two weeks. He was so much fun and I miss him very much. Did you know he passed away in Honduras a few years ago? He was living there and he had a nighclub.

    From what I understand, Gary was on the run from the mafia and that is why he moved to Honduras. Before he fled he worked for Merrill Lynch and the word “embezzling” actually came up. In Honduras, Someone shot him one night (attempting to murder him) as he was leaving his club, but he survived. No money was taken from him so it wasn’t robbery. My Dad told me the mofia caught up with him. About a year later a blood clot from the gunshot wound broke free and killed him. Gary’s father who is (was) wealthy was too tight to spend the money to fly his body back to the States for a burial. Supposedly they threw his body on the side of a mountain like trash. I would love to know exactly what went down but I don’t even know where to start. My Dad who is his brother still talks about him all the time. The whole family misses him, he was iconic to all of us and he was so much fun to be around.

    • mark c 10:47 am on January 7, 2014 Permalink | Reply

      Wow.. That was a sad ending.

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