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  • John 7:01 am on February 21, 2014 Permalink | Reply
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    Article About The Horace McKenna Story 

    This is a complicated case, but if you saw the TV show last night on Discovery ID, it was pretty awesome in describing the events.

    The daughter of Mike Woods has a blog where she discusses her life and what it was like having a father convicted of murder and being sent to prison. These are 10 things she has learned about the big house since her father’s conviction:

    1. The term used when a prisoner hides contraband up inside his person – Keystering – and thank you Dad for that detailed description.

    2. Inmates can ferment fruit and packets of bbq sauce into wine, taste at own risk.

    3. Inmates can make a sharp knife out of toilet paper, kind of like paper mache style.

    4. Prison guards steal any mail they may want, e.g. magazine subscriptions, packages of food, electronics.

    4. Contrary to prison life in movies, inmates don’t have computers or access to the Internet, unless you’re Martha Stewart.

    5. Inmates don’t ask other inmates what they are in for unless they offer you their sentencing papers.

    6. The prison pecking order starting from lowest to highest is:  sex offenders, including child murderers, pedophiles and rapists, law enforcement, informants, drug dealers, murderers (but not of children).

    7. If your Dad’s appellate attorney is the same as Phil Spector’s, be careful what you may write about Phil Spector.

    8. MCI is a racket and has the toe-hold on the collect calls. Rumor has it sometimes they purposely drop calls so you have to pay for the first minute again.

    9. Stamps are considered a form of currency.

    10. If you are in a prison fight, even if you’re the one being beaten and not beating, they’ll put you in the hole.



    • Bonnie Brae 8:13 am on February 21, 2014 Permalink | Reply

      I got invited to 3 Christmas parties at the mansion for work and missed all of them cause I was in (kill me now) – Iowa, with my hon and his family. I honestly don’t regret it at all. I just always wanted to go to a party there.

    • Bonnie Brae 8:14 am on February 21, 2014 Permalink | Reply

      Good article John. Interesting tid bits about the prison system.

    • localarts 8:22 am on February 21, 2014 Permalink | Reply

      .John, was there any mention of Launius? My dish package doesn’t included Discovery ID only Discovery. Was there any talk where McKenna served time back in the 70’s? I’m sure the show talked about McKenna’s narcotics escapades; I bet that where the Launius connection originates.

      Horace McKenna was a scary guy; Ronnie must have been a little crazy to associate with him!

      • John 8:32 am on February 21, 2014 Permalink | Reply

        No, to the Launius and jail time discussion, but I rec’d a 10 minute phone call in the middle and will re-watch it tonight. I was looking at Terri’s FB page and she has some photos of Big Mac. That dude was huge!! A guy emailed the blog last week saying he was in the service with Mac and that they were training together for ‘Nam but never got sent there. He was buds with him and was there when Mac won the “Mr. El Toro” contest in the 70s. Ugh. My little brother used to be into bodybuilding and I hate that whole scene.

      • John 8:40 am on February 21, 2014 Permalink | Reply

        This episode will eventually get posted to YouTube and I will find it and save it. I’m always looking for Mort Downey, Wonderland stuff, etc. I will add this to my list.

      • John 10:12 am on February 21, 2014 Permalink | Reply

        If a cop says they knew each other, then they probably did. I’m sure Fat Howard knew Weiss and McKenna too….. (I’d love to be a fly on the wall in Mike Wood’s jail cell when he opens my letter and I’m asking about Launius “What kind of nut is this guy?” LOL)

        Ronald Launius was another thief, and a drug dealer, who police learned had associated with Weiss. Though he was investigated, there was never any evidence to connect him to the slaying.

        On July 1, 1981, Launius, 37, was one of four people beaten to death in a Laurel Canyon drug den. A former Hollywood nightclub owner and his bodyguard were charged last year with killing the victims in revenge for a robbery.

        Orozco says Launius earlier had been associated with Horace McKenna, a former California Highway Patrol officer who operated a string of bars featuring nude dancers. McKenna was believed by police to have ties to prostitution, counterfeiting, narcotics and gambling in the Los Angeles area.

      • John 3:25 pm on February 22, 2014 Permalink | Reply

        Remember the Vic Weiss sports promoter guy… I wonder if Big Mac was the big guy, or if Ron was one of the three guys?

        A witness told police that he had seen the Rolls pull to the curb on a street in Encino and a white Cadillac with three men in it stop behind. The witness said Weiss got out of his car and two men–one described as a 6-foot, 6-inch blond–got out of the Cadillac.

        The witness said the blond man angrily pointed a finger in Weiss’ face as he spoke to him. After a few moments, Weiss got back in his car, the blond man got in the back seat behind him and the third man got in the front. Then the Rolls and the Cadillac drove away.

        As detectives delved into Weiss’ background, they became confident that the witness had seen Weiss’ killers. They learned that Weiss maintained a life style that belied his true financial worth. They learned that many of his associates were involved in organized crime.

      • John 9:50 am on March 5, 2014 Permalink | Reply

        The City Confidential episode about Big Mac is now 10 years old… (2003). I am still looking for it….

        Here’s what the New York Times said 10 years ago about the promising new crime show:

        That mood is enhanced by the show’s secret weapon: the voiceover narration provided by Paul Winfield. Sounding alternately laconic, arch, even patrician, Mr. Winfield seems to be getting a kick out of the tongue-in-cheek (I presume) text provided for him by the show’s writers. In an episode about carnival freaks in Gibsonton, Fla., focusing on the slaying of Grady Stiles Jr., better known because of his malformed hands and feet as Lobster Boy, Mr. Winfield gets to say, ”It’s never over till the bearded fat lady sings,” and, ”Two of the hands clapping were claws.” The show on the killing of a Los Angeles strip club entrepreneur named Horace ”Big Mac” McKenna, which has its premiere this Wednesday, is chockablock with lines Mickey Spillane would have tossed, among them, ”The news blew through like a sailor with a pocketful of greenbacks.’

        • John Sheridan 7:06 pm on June 3, 2018 Permalink

          John, We’re you successful in finding The City Confidential episode about Big Mac from 2003? IF so would you post a link to it please? Thanks.

      • John 9:58 am on March 5, 2014 Permalink | Reply

        Big Mac could have met Ronnie in prison…the 1976 conviction would put him close to Ron serving out his final year or so in SoCal.

        Horace McKenna, who served in the California Highway Patrol from 1968 to 1972, was convicted in 1976 of counterfeiting and convicted in 1982 of parole violation after he was arrested on suspicion of assaulting an off-duty police officer.

        McKenna and Woods were obviously skimming the profits at the clubs. McKenna was said to only claim a salary of $44,000 a year at the time of his death. You can’t afford a 30 acre estate with that kind of salary.

    • dreamweaverjenn 10:24 am on February 21, 2014 Permalink | Reply

      DEFINITELY would NOT want to meet McKenna in a dark alley! He was scary!

      • foxychoplins 9:26 am on March 6, 2014 Permalink | Reply

        Mac Mckenna may have looked scary, and to many men he was scary. Young lady, If you had met up with him in a dark alley, that Big Teddy Bear would have nothing for you but a smile to light your way.

        • dreamweaverjenn 10:40 am on March 6, 2014 Permalink

          You’re probably right. I’m sure he was charming with the ladies…..

    • localarts 6:35 pm on February 21, 2014 Permalink | Reply

      Hulk Hogan vs. Horace McKenna in a loser leave town match, my money would be on McKenna!

    • criticextraordinaire 7:13 pm on February 21, 2014 Permalink | Reply

      Nicole Brown Simpson looks pretty hot in that picture with Dawn.

  • John 12:52 pm on February 20, 2014 Permalink | Reply  

    Wonderland Actors Talk About The Era, The Real People 

    During the making of the 2003 film, Wonderland, the scenes where David Lind is telling his stories in the interrogation room to the cops were filmed at the old L.A. Herald-Examiner newspaper office building. A fire broke out during this part of filming and made some of the people involved feel quite superstitious, as if Lind or Holmes were nearby. Strangely enough, that old newspaper produced some of the best articles and photos of the Wonderland story, initially and also throughout the various court trials over the next decade.

    The people we know the least about are of course the most mysterious. Now all of the ‘gang’ minus Holmes and Billy were middle-class kids growing up and from good, loving families, even David Lind. Very little is known about Ron and Barbara because their families have not spoken much at all to the media. As Nils Grevillius said, these murders devastated people, so why should they. It is just a missed opportunity that most of the info gleaned about the characters were from retired cops telling the actors this or that. Barbara and Joy are pretty much just extras in this film. In his video below, Tim Blake Nelson makes some good cultural observations about the eras in question, but he really did not know anything about Billy Deverell at all. That’s a shame really. A good 3+ hour remake would be awesome. Where is Scorsese when you need him.

    Josh Lucas talks about Launius. He says Ron is the victim of his own lack of discipline and not drugs. But, those two things sort of go hand in hand. There is also the lure of easy money. When my dad got out of the Navy in 1970, the best job he could get was $75 a week ($450 today). Not terrible, but I think Ron was facing the same prospects for work when he got out of the Air Force. Dealing in narcotics meant easy money and easy access to drugs for Ron, and so it goes.

    Jeanine Garofalo makes a few good points about drugs and how they stunt emotional and social development of users.

    Billy was the only person who had ever worked for a living for most of his life.

    Sinister? C’mon.

    • dreamweaverjenn 10:27 am on February 21, 2014 Permalink | Reply

      Would definitely like to know more of the human side of everybody. I’m sure they had their good points too.

  • John 10:24 am on February 20, 2014 Permalink | Reply
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    John Holmes Plug For “A Current Affair” TV Show 

    It’s just a plug. I will try to find the full segment. I used to love this TV show.

    April 28, 1988 – A Current Affair hosted by Maury Povich. The plug is at the :35 second mark.

  • John 7:23 am on February 20, 2014 Permalink | Reply
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    Thorson’s “Afterword” In New Candelabra Edition Full Of Crap 

    So much revisionist history that it will make your head spin. Typical Thorson.

    I guess that with the success of the film, Behind The Candelabra, the book by Scott has been given a new printing. Thus, we have an Afterword added by Scott Thorson. It is no surprise to you, but he is so full of it.

    First of all, he observes all of the same old tired yet crooked “facts” about Wonderland and Nash. Scott also claims that the crackhead who shot him at the motel in Jacksonville was a hitman sent by Nash. Here is a link to an article regarding that incident. Melvin Jerome Owen was a career petty criminal and crackhead. He was just an addict who had been either partying with Thorson or knew he had drugs and attempted to rob him. Thorson may have been more slippery and teflon than Nash or Holmes in the past, but not anymore — since Scott is headed to prison.

    Nash was acquitted, not convicted due to Scott’s testimony. Ridiculous!










    • Mark C 8:43 am on February 20, 2014 Permalink | Reply

      I don’t know if it just me or I think Scott or Jess what ever he going by now. I think he wants us to rate him on the John Holmes stretch the truth meter. Well that don’t sound too good but I think you know what I mean. I try put this nice as I can. Trouble with John Holmes name there a lot of jokes still out about him. Even in these days & times Holmes still pretty famous.

      • John 9:44 am on February 20, 2014 Permalink | Reply

        Yes, the surname Holmes is legendary now days. Before JH, did people go around saying “Hey, what’s up Holmes!” and stuff like that. He really did cement that name in history. One cannot see a person with that last name and not think of the guy. It’s pretty bizarre.

        • criticextraordinaire 8:44 pm on February 20, 2014 Permalink

          Well it’s good to see Johnny get his due. It’s shame that he got involved with drugs though. If he had dodged that bullet he’d still be at the top of the adult film world and would be worth a bloody fortune, distributing product from his own website, johnnywadd.com , as well as streaming video, merchandising, and the occasional *ahem” personal services. Not to mention the income stream provided by the information in that gold-encrusted foot locker.

    • Mike 9:00 pm on February 20, 2014 Permalink | Reply

      “What’s up Holmes” in that context is short for “homeboy”. I guess in theory it should be “homes”.

    • Mark C 2:51 pm on February 21, 2014 Permalink | Reply

      Appears Holmes wish has can true, Not part of him after his death ended up in a Pickle Jar somewhere on the wall of a Bar or Nightclub. Or its sure not shown up anywhere yet I know of.

  • John 10:27 am on February 19, 2014 Permalink | Reply
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    Holmes Discussed In Gay Pimp’s Tell-All Book 

    First of all, this book has some terrible reviews. Second, the facts and claims about Holmes are way off, based on what a true Wonderland aficionado now knows about John Holmes. Holmes was not in tons of gay porno movies. Well, read it for yourself. This whole sub-chapter on JH sounds like fiction in order to fluff up (no pun) this guy’s book.

    Full Service: My Adventures in Hollywood and the Secret Sex Lives of the Stars

    by Scotty Bowers.

    Note:  George Cukor was a legendary Hollywood director. He died in 1983 at about 85 years old. Thus, it sounds fishy to me.

    bowers1 bowers2 bowers3



    • Jill C. Nelson 10:57 am on February 19, 2014 Permalink | Reply

      The only comment I can make about this is that when Jennifer and I scoured all resources for evidence of Holmes’s gay loops and films, we came up (mostly) empty. For the book, we screened and reviewed the few gay films/loops we were able to get our hands on – but we concluded, based upon not only our own research but also by talking to people in the know — such as people like Joel Sussman, who is probably Holmes’s oldest friend in the business, there just isn’t that much gay material out there. In Holmes’s own words (told to us by one of Holmes’s closest 1980s friends, Buck Adams), when asked if he was bisexual, Holmes replied, “Yeah, I’m bisexual. If you buy me, I’m sexual.” That statement pretty well summed it up.Holmes was not gay. but he was an opportunist.

    • dreamweaverjenn 11:32 am on February 19, 2014 Permalink | Reply

      I can’t help but be amused. First, having grown up in a military family this guy would have been beaten to a pulp (no pun intended). I’m not saying it’s right and I have tons of gay friends and family members but a marine back in those days???? Very hard to believe and therefore it was hard for me to believe anything else this guy had to say. I realize it COULD have happened but I’m just having a hard time believing this guy. Sorry, just my observation. ;o)

    • Jim 12:48 pm on February 19, 2014 Permalink | Reply

      I think Jill has it exactly right with her quote of Holmes “If you buy me, I’m sexual.” I really don’t think Holmes even enjoyed sex (with anyone) in the latter part of his life. It was just simply a vehicle to get money from people so he could finance his out of control drug habit. Kind of like when somebody steals to support a drug habit. It’s not that they necessarily enjoy the physical act of stealing; it’s just that stealing is the only way they can continue to finance the habit.

    • John 2:17 pm on February 19, 2014 Permalink | Reply

      I just think that John was not turning any gay tricks until his serious coke habit, in the early 80s – maybe the very late 70s. If John did attempt turn a trick with the elderly Cukor, then how much was that going to net him to buy coke? $200? And is an 80+ year old man doing coke too? Lots of questions.

    • criticextraordinaire 6:01 pm on February 19, 2014 Permalink | Reply

      That whole story is complete BS. He says “I did not arrange tricks for John once he became a big porn star”. Problem is… John did not get involved with drugs until AFTER he hit it big in porn. This guy’s story has about as much veracity as that lady who said she was hiding in Ron Launius’ closet during the Wonderland murders.

      • John 7:43 am on February 20, 2014 Permalink | Reply

        Yes, and I doubt John was doing gay tricks in the 60s.

    • jimmy---chicago 6:29 pm on February 19, 2014 Permalink | Reply

      Holmes could not get fully hard even before his introduction to coke .I wish we could get some answers from dawn or susan his wife about their sex life .What was their first reaction to his 14 inches

      • criticextraordinaire 5:36 am on February 20, 2014 Permalink | Reply

        Cass Paley said that he once saw John with full wood and “it was scary”.

      • Jill C. Nelson 9:46 am on February 20, 2014 Permalink | Reply

        I always find this observation to be interesting. On camera, Holmes was usually able to achieve a full erection — the difference being that because of the size of his equipment, it pointed downward instead of up when he was fully erect. His first film with Bob Chinn titled ‘Johnny Wadd’ shows Holmes completely hard — for him, and it is scary stuff. Chinn said that the only time he remembers John having any difficulty was in the last film they made together, Prisoner of Paradise, and that was because of his coke habit. If you take a look at any of the cameos Holmes did in the 80’s for his and Amerson’s company Penguin, it’s scary still.

    • John 6:52 am on February 20, 2014 Permalink | Reply

      For the title of this post, I wanted to convey that the pimp catered to gay customers, not that he was gay. I don’t know if he was or not. “Not that there’s anything wrong with it” (Seinfeld)

  • John 9:59 am on February 19, 2014 Permalink | Reply
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    Nash Mentioned In Van Halen Book 

    The book is titled “Van Halen 101” by Abel Sanchez. Foreword by Brian May.




    • localarts 11:55 am on February 19, 2014 Permalink | Reply

      Van Halen’s inspiration for “Runnin With The Devil”

    • jimmy---chicago 6:23 pm on February 19, 2014 Permalink | Reply

      Vince Neil of Motley Crue mentions him in his book .He just says he new eddie nash from playing starwood .But I am sure he was known by every hair band of that time from L.A. especially since eddie was a dealer but also ather club owners delt drugs too

  • John 12:15 pm on February 18, 2014 Permalink | Reply

    Laurie Holmes Article From 1998 

    This is a classic article from the Las Vegas Review-Journal. It is great and worth archiving here on the blog. I would like to go to one of these conventions one day, walk around and people watch. I’m sure it’s fascinating. I bet Screech from Saved By The Bell has his own autograph-signing booth.

    I wonder what happened in Rio Rancho that made Laurie want to move? Maybe Jill can tell us. Val Kilmer lives in New Mexico also.

    * * * * * * * * * * *

    Sunday, July 12, 1998

    Holmes shares story of her famous husband in book `Porn King’

    By Joan Patterson 

    It was not a saint’s life, but Laurie Holmes believes it’s time to get the story straight.

    Holmes was in town last week during the Video Software Dealers Association convention with copies of a new book detailing the life of her late husband, John Holmes, the star of adult films during the 1970s and early ’80s. Holmes appeared in more than 2,000 productions, such as “Insatiable” and “Tropic of Passion.”

    The book, “Porn King: Autobiography of John C. Holmes,” is based on tape-recorded interviews between John Holmes and author Fred Basten beginning in 1985. The recordings, Laurie Holmes says, tell the real story of a man often misunderstood by the public and those in the pornography industry. Her own recollections of her husband’s final months are written in the book’s epilogue as told to Basten.

    “(Holmes) was a very interesting man, without a doubt one of the most intelligent human beings I ever met. … Not to say he was perfect. He made a lot of mistakes, but he faces what he did,” says Holmes, a former adult film actress.

    She says she held onto the book manuscript for several years, believing the public was not ready to hear the frank story of a college student who enters the world of pornography in the 1960s, becomes addicted to cocaine and eventually dies at age 43 after contracting the AIDS virus. But the 1997 release of the film “Boogie Nights,” which she says is “very loosely” based on her husband’s life, has stirred public interest in John Holmes’ career. She sees the movie as a chance to set the record straight about her husband.

    “People have been real curious about his story so it’s time to release (the book). … He was not the villain people made him out to be. He wasn’t a saint, but I’ve heard so many wrongs about him over the years,” she says. “He wasn’t gay. He wasn’t a snitch. He wasn’t a junkie.”

    Holmes also wants the public to be aware of the current “outbreak” of AIDS within the adult entertainment industry because of unprotected sex. John Holmes’ death from the AIDS virus in 1988 is detailed in the biography and linked to his work in the adult film industry. Rumors that he contracted the virus through intravenous drug use are wrong, she says.

    Despite the death of such a well-known adult film star, the heterosexual pornography industry was slow to institute safe sex requirements such as condom use. It was not until April, according to an Associated Press report, that several major producers of adult films started requiring actors to wear condoms. The action was taken after three actresses in the industry tested positive for AIDS earlier this year, the report states.

    Laurie Holmes, who is 35, lived in Boulder City from 1976 to 1980. She made her first X-rated film in Las Vegas at the age of 18. It was called “The Greatest Little Cathouse in Las Vegas.”

    She met John Holmes in San Francisco about one year later while they were working on a film together called “Marathon.” They remained close for five years, then married in 1987 at Las Vegas’ Little Chapel of the Flowers.

    The marriage was kept secret, Laurie Holmes says, by her husband who was “a very private person.” When he died, many acquaintances in the industry and journalists reporting on his death were surprised to hear about Laurie Holmes, the wife.

    She stopped making adult films in the early ’80s. After her husband’s death, Holmes moved back to her home state of New Mexico. After what she considers an unwelcome stay in Rio Rancho, she moved to nearby Albuquerque and worked as an exotic dancer.

    Holmes, who still lives in Albuquerque, is now devoting herself full time to a company she created earlier this year, Johnny Wadd Inc. It is named after the alias used in several of her husband’s films. The company distributes videos of his films and published the recently released biography.

    • Jill C. Nelson 6:08 pm on February 18, 2014 Permalink | Reply

      “I wonder what happened in Rio Rancho that made Laurie want to move? Maybe Jill can tell us. Val Kilmer lives in New Mexico also.”

      Laurie tried to integrate into the “real” world in Rio Rancho after Holmes’s death but it wasn’t to be. People there figured out who she was and that Holmes was her late husband. She left town and began work as a stripper as the article stated. In the late 1990s, she returned to adult films for a brief period (where she met her second husband, Tony Montana) before making her final departure. During her years as an exotic dancer, Laurie resorted to drugs and alcohol to sustain, and has been clean from drugs since 2007. She drinks very little.

      Yes, Val Kilmer does live in New Mexico. Laurie met Kilmer at the Wonderland premiere which she attended with Ron Jeremy. Needless to say, Laurie didn’t care for the movie and left about fifteen minutes in to attend a birthday party she’d been invited to. When Kilmer learned that Laurie had badmouthed the film, he refused to sign an autograph for Jeremy, much to Ron’s dismay.

      I realize this is more information than what you’d asked, but it’s connected in one way or another. 🙂

      • Bobby 12:53 am on February 19, 2014 Permalink | Reply

        As always thanks for your excellent input Jill. While “Wonderland” isn’t without its problems I’d hardly consider it a walk out type flick! I’ve seen ten times worse films and still didn’t walk out on them. Would be keen to know what Laurie hated so much about it.. must’ve been something very personal that upset her immensely – can you shed some light on this?
        As an interesting side note check out this photo I stumbled across of Tony Montana.. Nice shirt!:

        • Jill C. Nelson 10:47 am on February 19, 2014 Permalink

          What John described below falls in line with some of the reasons why Laurie was unable to sit through the film. Laurie’s recollections of Holmes are not the snivelling (her word) individual that Cox and Kilmer imagined for their interpretation. (Plus, yes, as John touched on, Kilmer appeared too healthy.) I think it’s important to remember though (and Laurie understands this) that the window of time depicted in the film is a very different period of time than when Laurie was with John. A desperado crackhead is not the man she knew.

      • John 7:55 am on February 19, 2014 Permalink | Reply

        I don’t think I could sit through a movie either, if I had known a famous person, whom I knew from a different point of view. Also, Val’s chubby cheeks and round face just did not do it for me as him being John Holmes. Holmes also had more of a natural afro curl, and not some cheesy kinky perm, LOL.

        • Bobby 10:24 am on February 19, 2014 Permalink

          F’sure John, they should’ve gone with a complete unknown to play Holmes. Kilmer had the jawline and put in a fairly decent performance but that’s about it. After seeing Christian Bale in ‘American Hustle’ I’m convinced he’d be perfect to play the older Steve Jobs in the upcoming biopic… IMHO a good example of a big star actually looking the part. Dunno what they were thinking with Kilmer though!

  • John 8:27 am on February 18, 2014 Permalink | Reply
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    Neighbors Speak About The Wonderland Murders 

    This article from July 2, 1981 does not mention movers finding the bodies, but rather “friends stopping by”. If only so many authors and writers over the years had dug a bit deeper, then the movers thing would not have been publicized so much.

    A few neighbors also talk about the house and that night. But, when you talk to neighbors about a crime they always say different stuff, whether it’s time-stamping a scream, or making vague comments about the victims. One lady awoke, and actually walked out on her balcony, but did not see anything and went back to bed. The man taken from the scene was Julia Negron’s friend, “B”. He was released at the scene after sitting in a squad car for a few minutes.

    Also, LAPD Sgt. Michael Butler needs to make up his mind on the cause of death.

    In tomorrow’s post, you get to hear from a neighbor who says “police have been there before because of all of the violence”. (?) I have read about the partying, but did the cops really come for fighting and violence. I would suspect it was men fighting (i.e., Ron blew his lid with some guy and beat ’em up).

    UPI Article. July 3, 1981.

    UPI Article. July 2, 1981.

    • Pat Fontenot 11:48 am on February 18, 2014 Permalink | Reply

      Would you happen to know Nurse Michael’s last name…Gary Fontenot’s room mate during this time.

      • John 12:50 pm on February 18, 2014 Permalink | Reply

        No Pat, but I can check with Lee, the Starwood guy who worked for Gary.


    • dreamweaverjenn 4:28 pm on February 18, 2014 Permalink | Reply

      Another reminder to me on how brutal this murder really was…..

    • jimmy---chicago 9:21 pm on February 18, 2014 Permalink | Reply

      John the name of “b” is in the negrone book you bought under the chapter “Beaten To Death With Baseball Bats” Im sure ronnie had some tussles especially with holmes but when you have parties with lots of people with drugs and alcohol fights always break out .Alcohol is the main culpret . If the parties were anything like the movie’s portrayel you had all kinds of creatures showing up from rich rock star wives to bikers to who ever . Pretty wild scene

      • John 7:23 am on February 19, 2014 Permalink | Reply

        Yes, I know his name but didn’t want to post it. He’s some sort of music big shot.

    • Bobby 1:43 am on February 19, 2014 Permalink | Reply

      “She heard a woman screaming ‘Oh God, don’t kill me'”.. That just about chilled me to the bone! One can only assume they were Joy Miller’s final words before dying a horribly painful death. The severity of the crime really hits home when you read something like that. So very sad.
      I very much doubt that the house was a party place like depicted in the movie. I recall Julia Negron supporting this claim too and it just makes sense that Ron, Billy, Joy et al would’ve tried to keep a low profile with all the nefarious goings on. It was a drug house after all, with a fairly extensive clientele by the looks of things, so I doubt they’d want to advertise that fact to their neighbours.
      Also, just how popular was primal scream therapy back then? The fact that some neighbours thought it was that rather than someone actually crying murder just floors me.. What the hell?!

      • John 7:25 am on February 19, 2014 Permalink | Reply

        I think that if people were stopping by a lot and some crashing at the house, then there would have been some noise and chatter. The homes are so close together. Any “noisy parties” would just be that much louder, even if there were only 4 or 5 people, with music playing. It would sound like a big party. Those homes are 10′ apart!

    • jimmy---chicago 7:04 pm on February 20, 2014 Permalink | Reply

      is there supposed to be a part 2 to this

    • aitchcs 6:55 pm on December 8, 2014 Permalink | Reply

      Where did I read that Christina Applegate lived close by and well remembers the mayhem with police and traffic after the murders.

  • John 11:41 am on February 17, 2014 Permalink | Reply
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    2010: Dawn Schiller Talks To Radio Show 

    Susan Murphy Milano (RIP) was a radio show host, blogger, activist and author for topics like violence towards women, stalking, child abuse. You can check out Dawn’s interview and discussion below. Susan Milano died two years ago, but thankfully she got this interview down in the books. (and no, Susan Milano is not Susan Launius, they just have the same maiden name)

    Susan and Dawn speak for about an hour, and topics are of course:  John Holmes, Dawn’s early childhood, her father, mother, human trafficking.

    Thrown into the waiting arms of adult film star and predator, John Holmes, Dawn Schiller survived years of abuse, substance addiction and human trafficking. Dawn survived the bloody and tragic “Wonderland” murders, and was victimized again when law enforcement claimed her as a wanted fugitive. We will discuss her journey for the entire hour and her work with the phenomena of “Throwaway Teens” and how to identify, recognize and save others before they become a statistic.


    • Brandy 11:42 am on February 17, 2014 Permalink | Reply

      I think I’ve heard enough of Dawn Schiller for a lifetime.

    • Jill C. Nelson 4:31 pm on February 17, 2014 Permalink | Reply

      “He was quite a romantic. He set it up at the beach, that it just so happened that my sister wasn’t there and he asked me to go camping by myself. It was like we both knew that it was the night.
      We went to Malibu, Zuma Beach and went to Leo Carrillo, a campsite there. It was a full moon, low in the sky. It was perfect and he was very quiet. I can remember just watching him as I walked along the beach, sat on the rocks and watched the moon. It was very magical. Without saying anything, he got down from that rock, took my hand and walked to the van. That was the night. He was extremely gentle and just awesome. I felt as if I was his newborn child or something — that’s how precious he treated me.” — Dawn Schiller, John Holmes: A Life Measured in Inches © 2008, Jennifer Sugar and Jill C. Nelson (original dialogue and script text from WADD: The Life & Times of John C. Holmes, provided by Hustler Video.)

      No matter how anyone might feel about the action itself, I post this excerpt above simply as an illustration of the contrasting depictions (by Schiller) of this night shared between Schiller and Holmes in the interview she did for WADD, compared to TRTW. It seems that every time the story is described, it changes somewhat. The event itself and the emotions expressed between the WADD interview and TRTW are quite different. I remember when I read about this experience in Dawn’s book, how surprised I was by the way in which the episode and her reaction to it had been adjusted. It’s one of many events that have been tweaked. This is why Dawn did not want Sugar and I to use her WADD transcripts for our bio.

      • John 11:31 am on March 30, 2018 Permalink | Reply

        It’s interesting that Leo Carrillo beach came into play. Nash’s only showbiz credit was in Cisco Kid, in which the stereotyped sidekick, Pancho, who would be an outrage today, was portrayed by one Leo Carrillo! One of the only legit Hispanics on the show. I say “outrage” because Pancho is no less insultjng than the “Frito Bandito” guy in those old commercials.

        How are you Jill? What new book are you working on?


    • John 5:19 pm on February 17, 2014 Permalink | Reply

      Thanks Jill. I was going to comment on conflicting statements about Dawn’s time in Florida, post Wonderland… But I didn’t have my references handy. As discissed before on this blog, the selling of Dawn on the beach to Tricks and Big Marge “saving her” and the LA gumshoes tracking her tothe strip club. Too many versions of events floating around from Dawn.

      • criticextraordinaire 6:36 pm on February 17, 2014 Permalink | Reply

        I think that was Big Rosie and some dude named Joe from the snack shop at the Fountainhead. Now there would be a real score, if somebody could track them down to get their version of the happenings in Miami back then.

        I wonder if Dawn has enough material for another book?

        • John 5:37 pm on February 18, 2014 Permalink

          Yes, Joe and also the Cuban guy who was a male stripper who also stayed at Fountainhead. When John could not find steady work the stripper guy allegedly let Dawn clean his room a few times… Luckily cig’s and beer were cheap back then. Crazy times!!

      • Jill C. Nelson 10:46 am on February 18, 2014 Permalink | Reply

        “As discissed before on this blog, the selling of Dawn on the beach to Tricks and Big Marge “saving her” and the LA gumshoes tracking her tothe strip club. Too many versions of events floating around from Dawn.”

        Yes, and the story about “Louise the stripper.” I don’t doubt that a stripper named Louise factored into the events in Florida, but again the version in TRTW is not exactly how detectives Lange and Tomlinson described it to us.
        It’s always best to stick to one truthful account of a story, especially when there are people still alive who can attest otherwise.

    • jimmy---chicago 5:49 pm on February 17, 2014 Permalink | Reply

      Dosent statutory rape come into play with those two at least in the beginning

      • John 8:02 am on February 18, 2014 Permalink | Reply

        I guess in those days it was a slap on the wrist, but if Holmes were alive, they could still go after him maybe? The thing is, I think Dawn chased him just as much as he chased her. I’m reminded of my little sister. She was 16 in the 1980s, in love and chased after this 20 yr old douche-bag until he finally relented and went out with her. A few years later, with kid in tow, they broke up and she wanted the courts and judge to have him arrested for initially molesting her (because of her age). Divorce can be a hateful thing. The court did not see it her way. He’s actually a good man, and has always paid support and visited my niece. He’s just a regular dad.

      • Anon4now 12:23 am on September 20, 2014 Permalink | Reply

        Statute of limitations comes into play. And, it appears that many dependants of Vietnam and Vietnam-era veterans just don’t get to live with their parents, end of story and a reason why never to lose a war. As ridiculous as it seems for a seemingly stable couple to abandon their child to a porn star, it may have been simple in a way if Holmes really was a veteran. And that’s an “if.”

        Additionally, the California legal age of consent was lessened from 21 to 18 in 1971, if I remember right. The rationale was that if a person was old enough to get drafted and sent into war, that person should be old enough to behave as an adult. That was a rather broad statement; if I remember right, the legal drinking age was 21 (as it is now) and the same with smoking, both those remained unchanged, but I might be wrong on the latter point. And that was the problem: maybe some people didn’t know if they were legal or not at the time. I remember when the law got passed, and I didn’t think much about it then, but I don’t remember why not. I don’t remember my parents or anyone else’s parents talking about it, and actually very few of my school chums.

        But anyway, statutory rape statute of limitations has long since expired for any contact in that era (’70s and ’80s) that wasn’t between teen girls and Catholics, as we’ve been reading in the papers. Non-violent contact, maybe even with the parent’s knowledge if not their explicit consent, was sort of overlooked then. Not really condoned, I guess, but there goes all the hippie girls to the Grateful Dead concerts and coming home pregnant. Dead head for sure.

        And, if no criminal charges are ever timely filed, and if the statute of limitations has expired, constant mention of a subject like might actually be harassment and slander. Except in Holme’s case there’s photographic evidence, isn’t there?

        Personally, all the best wishes to Schiller. But working at an university in Oregon; is that the best employment for a woman with her experiences? Sex and drug registration laws are strictly enforced in California now, and if Holmes would ever have been prosecuted for his relationship with Schiller, he would have had to register as a sex offender for life. Registration laws here are no joke: Sex offender registration is for life, drug offender isn’t, as the first is Penal Code, the latter Health & Safety and simply expires after a certain time period. Holmes would have had to register as both had he not have been such a snitch when he was busted. But, that’s where the idiocy of the state’s citizenry comes into play, as the citizens who follow registration don’t know the difference in the laws, to them all is unending registration that a felon must endure for the rest of his (or her) life unless they tell.

        And that’s how important this Holmes trial was, how much impact it had on the state’s legislation. It really changed things; so many laws have been altered it’s hard to keep track of it all if you didn’t have a hint somewhere along the line. People watch this movie and read Schiller’s stories, and they say “Not again!” And that’s the end of casual contact with California women, sung about so much by the Beach Boys. Drug offender registration isn’t just for opiates (like Lind and Barbara are shown doing so much of. They’d be registered offenders, too), it’s for supplying pot to minors. Simple pot smokers don’t always escape the registration game even with the new legalization movement. This movie hits home on California legislation and court procedure in a vital time period: Shortly after the end of Vietnam, and less than a decade from the lessening of the state’s legal age of consent. Total confusion, and with all the money behind Holmes’ profession, and all the impact that Lind brought with him, the state got put into even more of a spin with this Wonderland trial. But that’s all part of the game, too.

        Why doesn’t Schiller work at a California university? And please post this, John. There’s nothing inflammatory in it and it touches on some important California issues that led to the confusion of the ’70s and later decades.

    • localarts 8:33 pm on February 17, 2014 Permalink | Reply

      Big Time! Guys are sent to prison for this kind of thing every day.

    • jimmy---chicago 8:38 pm on February 17, 2014 Permalink | Reply

      My mind was blown the other day . I looked on the sex offender list on line no matter where you live thet are everyware litterally .Type in your address its crazy

    • Brandy 10:50 pm on February 17, 2014 Permalink | Reply

      If Dawn needs money, Dawn will find material for another book.

    • Jim 9:49 am on February 19, 2014 Permalink | Reply

      What people need to remember is that when someone (and we all do this) is telling of an incident(s) they were involved in they always try to cast themselves in the best light. In Dawn’s case the “best light” is the role of complete victim. This is not to excuse Holmes. What he did to her in 1975 was terrible and illegal. However people need to realize that Dawn did not remain 15 years old from 1975 to 1981. She was making the same type of choices in 1975 that she was making in 1981. Keep in mind Dawn was 20 or 21 when she chose to return to LA from Oregon to go back to Holmes soon before the Wonderland incident.

    • localarts 10:28 am on February 19, 2014 Permalink | Reply

      My thoughts exactly Jim. Although, I believe it was 1976.

  • John 8:52 am on February 17, 2014 Permalink | Reply
    Tags: gerry brown,   

    Old Article Shows Location of Governor Brown’s House 

    Early news reports indicated that Governor Jerry Brown’s house was “right around the corner” from Wonderland. Well, I had never been able to locate his home in Laurel Canyon, but according to this old map, it truly is “right around the corner”.

    I would like to have been a fly on the wall at Jerry’s breakfast table that morning when he cracked open the newspaper to see his private home shown on a map with two famous murder scenes.

    July 3, 1981. Associated Press.

    July 3, 1981. Associated Press.

    • localarts 9:40 am on February 17, 2014 Permalink | Reply

      I bet Jerry shit a brick when he read that. I wonder if he moved to the “valley” afterwards.

      • Bobby 1:57 am on February 19, 2014 Permalink | Reply

        I reckon Eddie Nash shat an even bigger brick when he found out that a woman had survived the attacks and there were detectives by her bedside! 😉

    • Gayle 9:52 pm on August 3, 2014 Permalink | Reply

      Noguchi was definitely the LA coroner at the right time! Cool newspaper clip!

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