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  • John 8:04 pm on June 30, 2013 Permalink | Reply
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    The Drive From Eddie’s to Wonderland 

    Once again, Bonnie came through. This time with a drive to Wonderland from Eddie’s. The soundtrack is awesome and I love the Terry Reid song at the end… in HD no less. So let’s do this!

    Tomorrow is July 1st, this is a tribute… and it’s not taken lightly.

    There will be no blog post tomorrow. RIP.

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    • dreamweaverjenn 8:44 pm on June 30, 2013 Permalink | Reply

      Bonnie, that’s so awesome. Thank you so very much. R.I.P. Barbara, Billy, Joy and Ronnie. My thoughts and prayers are with them and their families tonight and tomorrow. Blessings all. Jenn

    • localarts 9:08 pm on June 30, 2013 Permalink | Reply

      So true Dreamweaverjenn. Whever Ronnie, Billy, Joy & Barbara are, they are proud of this forum because we acknowledge them as human beings, not “dirt” as Holmes did. Nobody deserves to die like they did.

      • dreamweaverjenn 9:56 pm on June 30, 2013 Permalink | Reply

        ❤ I know they are. No, they did not deserve to die like that.

      • Bonnie Brae 10:06 am on July 1, 2013 Permalink | Reply

        I really detested Jacobs book right out of the gate when I read the “rag tag bunch of dopers” and “second rate hoods”. Clearly he did not do much research on the victims. Also, who says about people that were brutally murdered?? He is a complete ass.

        • Artbabee 4:56 pm on July 1, 2013 Permalink

          I don’t think anybody sets out to be a “doper,” so I agree that it was pretty nasty for Jacobs to call the victims a “rag tag bunch of dopers.” Particularly, as they didn’t KILL when they robbed Eddie Nash – and they could have. In the end they (and their innocent friends) paid for their robbery with a death sentence which is just plain wrong.

        • dreamweaverjenn 6:03 pm on July 1, 2013 Permalink

          I agree. My opinion is that the people who could commit such an act were the trash and scum along with their pal Mr. Holmes. I’m not saying these people were lily white but dang, NOBODY deserves to die like that. R.I.P.

    • Bonnie Brae 10:10 am on July 1, 2013 Permalink | Reply

      Thanks John – very nicely put. If you watch til the very end you can see the moon through the trees which we did not even notice at the time.

      • patrick 11:15 am on July 1, 2013 Permalink | Reply

        thanks for the video bonnie! i was up at the wonderland overlook last night watching the sunset. Probably just missed you on the way down. And yes, well put John. RIP indeed.

        • Bonnie Brae 12:10 pm on July 1, 2013 Permalink

          You sold me. I’m gonna go look at the shimmering stars one night this week. I love that view. *hi five*

        • Bonnie Brae 10:33 am on July 4, 2013 Permalink

          I went up and snapped some shots. It’s breathtaking at night. I tried to balance my camera on that mail box and little fence alcove. Gonna go back with my tripod. So beautiful.

        • dreamweaverjenn 10:58 am on July 4, 2013 Permalink

          I seriously need to move there……

      • scabiesoftherat 12:03 am on July 2, 2013 Permalink | Reply

        Thanks, Bonnie. I always wondered what that drive was like. I’ve never been to California, but it looks just like I imagined it would look. Thank you again for your great work on that.

        • Bonnie Brae 9:41 am on July 2, 2013 Permalink

          Thank you for the nice comments. I was expecting people to be laughing at me for stalling out.

      • Bonnie Brae 10:32 am on July 4, 2013 Permalink | Reply

        lol – it’s actually a light post!!! not the moon. I totally thought it was the moon when I first watched the vid.

    • localarts 4:41 pm on July 1, 2013 Permalink | Reply

      How many members on this forum believe John Holmes committed at least one of the murders as Sharon Holmes believed he did.

      I’ll be the first to side with Sharon and say yes, I think he did.

      • Bonnie Brae 5:24 pm on July 1, 2013 Permalink | Reply

        So many things to consider. He had a history of violence with Dawn when he was using, and Eddie definitely supplied him w/ Coke on that night. . But he was not a killer…. But the bottom line, Sharon knew him better than anyone. If she thinks he did he probably did. I don’t think he could have had so much blood on himself if he did not play a direct role in pipe swinging. I think all hands were on deck here.

        • scabiesoftherat 1:18 am on July 2, 2013 Permalink

          Bonnie,…ummm,…I really don’t believe in the supernatural and all,…but did you take a close look at the shot where the segment ended? That last frame is very interesting. I kinda sat there staring at it after the movie ended and something just really jumped out at me and chilled me to the bone. I closed it out and then walked away from it for a while and then came back to it. I saw the same thing. It’s hard to explain without looking like real nut job. I left and walked away from it four times and still saw the same thing. I will elaborate further if you so desire. If you don’t believe in the supernatural like I don’t, I will forget it. Let me know. This is chilling, however. You caught something in those trees that can’t be explained. And this is not something that says, “hey, look at me!” This is something that says, “Hey, look at this!” (I do not want to be the vehicle for this by any means. I just want to point it out, that’s all. And also see if people see the same thing as I do. This is really disturbing. Really disturbing, Ummm,…I hope you don’t think less of me than you already do. LOL I’d like to snag a still shot but will only do with your permission. Let me know…..but take a look at center frame when the film stops. That’s all I can say

        • dreamweaverjenn 6:34 am on July 2, 2013 Permalink

          Scabiesoftherat, I am an intuitive psychic and I believe I saw the same thing. I’m going to check it out again. I don’t push my beliefs on others because I know that not everyone believes like I do but I just wanted to tell you that you are NOT a nut job. 🙂

        • Bonnie Brae 9:19 am on July 2, 2013 Permalink

          YES – grab a frame. Do you know what I did a few weeks ago??? My dad is walking distance from the Whaley House in SD. I walked there and took pics and then came home and looked at them over and over again trying to find a ghost. The house is haunted I am dying to capture a ghost/entity/mist whatever anything. I’m gonna look right now.

        • Bonnie Brae 9:28 am on July 2, 2013 Permalink

          Please grab the frame and show me what you see! I don’t even care if it’s nothing. As long as I can convince myself that I caught something/anything on camera. I was planning to hit the Whaley House at dead hour. Now I’m thinking I should just drive through Wonderland Avenue at dead hour.

        • John 10:17 am on July 2, 2013 Permalink

          I looked at it too, but could not see it… hit the Print Screen button on your keyboard scabies and email to the blog – wonderland1981blog@gmail.com. I’m dying to see it!!

        • dreamweaverjenn 10:45 am on July 2, 2013 Permalink

          Bonnie you caught one, possibly two orbs ❤

        • Bonnie Brae 12:05 pm on July 2, 2013 Permalink

          I also remember reading that a girl died in Eddies house from an overdose. I think they moved her from room to room for a few days but in the end they just called 911 and had her taken away. No charges were pressed because no fowl play was suspected. But what I am getting at is that now I am going re examine all of my pictures and videos taken at his house.

      • dreamweaverjenn 6:05 pm on July 1, 2013 Permalink | Reply

        I believe John finished Ronnie off just like the movie suggested. He got away with murder and he died knowing it. Karma does follow you when leave this realm.

      • Jill C. Nelson 10:58 am on July 2, 2013 Permalink | Reply

        The problem with what Sharon said years after the fact is that if the events immediately following the murders indeed unfolded as she (later) claimed they did, she wasn’t forthcoming to police. Not to mention, her stories to the media conflicted. The following quotes from former homicide detective Tom Lange are excerpted from A Life Measured in Inches (pages 236 & 237) in chapter 7 titled ‘Revenge on Wonderland’. When we interviewed Lange, he addressed John’s “bloody clothes” story in the early morning (July 1) at Sharon’s house. We’d inquired about Sharon’s varying accounts (reported to the press and otherwise) of what John had supposedly told her regarding the specifics of the sequences of events surrounding the robbery and murders. Lange provided his thoughts about Sharon (and Dawn) — one of which is key.

        Tom Lange: “Sharon was married to him. I think she empathized with him a great deal, maybe more empathy than sympathy. She cared for him to a certain extent. If we had Sharon’s story intially, we probably could have convicted him.
        She just didn’t give us anything initially. She didn’t say, ‘Hey, he was covered in blood and I still have the clothes.’ That would have been great. The blood on John’s clothes would have implicated Sharon in an indirect way, because she would have been a percipient witness.
        That is the problem with any witness. You have to take everything as discoverable and false statements come in and the jury throws it out. It’s always a problem.”
        “Sharon still cared for John. Sharon’s game was that she didn’t know anything and Dawn’s game was doing what she was told, being the good little girl who didn’t say anything. We came to them initially and they were not forthright witih us for whatever reason. But you don’t take those things personally. When Sharon said one thing, one time and another thing, another time, which one do we believe?”

        A few years back someone made an excellent point on the old Wonderland forum that if Holmes had been on the lam with a male cohort rather than a female/girlfriend, the interrogation following would have been much more gruelling. Dawn claimed to the police that John didn’t disclose any pertinent information to her about the murders after they occured and/or during the six months they were on the lam together (and it certainly could be true as he apparently didn’t discuss it with Laurie) but one has to wonder.

      • Bobby 11:16 am on July 2, 2013 Permalink | Reply

        Sharon’s late disclosure does point to Holmes having participated in the murders but most certainly under duress just like the film portrays. Unlike Diles and the hoods who carried out this cowardly act I’m sure Holmes had a tremendous amount of remorse for his actions. Sure enough he was a lying scumbag but he definitely wasn’t a cold-blooded murderer so he must’ve felt terrible about what went down. It would’ve been a heavy burden to carry till the day he died knowing he was responsible for 4 people losing their lives.
        I’d be very interested to know how Eddie Nash feels about it all at this juncture in time… surely his old age has softened him somewhat (you’d hope!) and he feels regret for his actions. After all his actions were fuelled by a “crazy-man psycho” coke binge and pure blind rage… you’d think that kinda anger doesn’t last forever.

        • localarts 11:50 am on July 2, 2013 Permalink

          “Sharon’s late disclosure does point to Holmes having participated in the murders but most certainly under duress just like the film portrays”

          Yes, it most certainly does. Sharon Holmes made that statement in 2002 when nearly everyone associated with the murders was long dead and gone. Really, what is there to gain or lose by making that statement. James Cox obviously believed her, why else would he spend the extra $$$ to film that scene. I think it was James Cox or someone else associated with the move that said Sharon broke down several times. Very, very sad indeed.

        • localarts 9:02 pm on July 4, 2013 Permalink

          Bobby, I agree. Holmes was not a cold blooded killer but if you think he (holmes) was remorseful for what he did, remember, he called them dirt after likely participating in the murders. Like Sharon Holmes
          said; conscience, not something he had.

        • Bobby 8:22 am on July 5, 2013 Permalink

          Yes this is true Localarts. I’ve always thought that was such a harsh thing to say in light of what happened to them. It does make you wonder exactly what he meant by that statement though. Was it purely an assessment of their personalities in light of how badly they treated him (Ronnie & Billy in particular) or was it a response to how he saw them treat others and/or the way they lived? I’m still of the belief that they were decent people (Joy in particular!) just doing bad things to support their habit but Holmes’ comment comes across with such vitriol that he makes them sound like down and out scumbags. It was also so heartbreaking to hear how Billy felt such remorse for the bad things he’d done and that he wanted to get out of the drug scene altogether. I’m guessing the “long time money” acquired from the Nash job would’ve been his first step in that direction.. But then again, in the words of Neil Young: “Every junkie’s like a setting sun”…

        • Bobby 8:30 am on July 5, 2013 Permalink

          Not to mention I was floored to read in McCourt’s testimony how they were all supposed to leave the Wonderland house after the robbery. Still can’t get over that revelation! The dope made them lazy and they put their guard down and that was their ultimate downfall.

      • John 11:40 am on July 2, 2013 Permalink | Reply

        Imagine Billy’s horra when he saw Danny or Greg and then Holmes right behind them….

        • dreamweaverjenn 11:58 am on July 2, 2013 Permalink

          I can only imagine. Horror, shock, fear. And I believe Sharon. I can imagine the horror, shock, and fear at John coming to her door at 5 in the morning covered in blood and “gray matter” as she put it. The nurse in her was trying to help him thinking he was injured and then discovering it was somebody else’s blood, etc. I would have flipped. The whole thing is just beyond sad.

        • localarts 11:58 am on July 2, 2013 Permalink

          Yes. Whats even worse is the fact that Joy in all likelyhood witnessed Billy murdered right in front of her. Deverrel had defensive wounds. Billy was probably trying to protect Joy.

        • Bonnie Brae 10:09 pm on July 2, 2013 Permalink

          please tell scabies he had better get us a print with an outline of what he sees!!!! please!!! please!!! please!!! I won’t get any rest until I see it.

      • Beth 12:07 pm on September 24, 2013 Permalink | Reply

        I wondered if John wasn’t the one to hit Susan, since she survived, perhaps the blows to her were more “tentative” you know by someone who really did not want to be doing this but was “made” to, especially since his bloody hand print was found in that room, wasn’t it? Just thinking of other murders I’ve read about where they can tell from the force of the blows a lot of things. I think he had more direct involvement than we know.

        • John 2:06 pm on September 24, 2013 Permalink

          Interesting view. Yes, Ron and Susan’s room was just down the hall across the kitchen from where Barb was wasted. I always thought maybe he hit Barb but maybe he was taken directly to Ron and Susan’s room with Greg pulling him along to right his wrongs against Nash.

    • Anthony 6:14 pm on July 1, 2013 Permalink | Reply

      • Anthony 6:16 pm on July 1, 2013 Permalink | Reply

        Sorry, wrong link.

    • Bonnie Brae 12:35 pm on July 2, 2013 Permalink | Reply

      I think I just saw what scabbies is talking about. Once you see it, you can’t unsee it. It looks like a creepy face in the trees. If we are seeing the same thing.

      • scabiesoftherat 2:13 am on July 3, 2013 Permalink | Reply

        I see it at the 7 minute mark exactly. You are right. It’s in the trees, Bonnie. We are seeing the same thing then. The right side has the view of the (I believe) of the lamp post. Exactly. A creepy saw face. But the thing is,…what I see,…is that a left eye is looking at the house. Now behind that, on the left side, or back of the head, I see a face that is in the trees. Ever see Edvard Maunch’s, “the scream”? It looks almost like that without the hands. (Damn. I work from an ipad all of the time and it’s limited on what it can do as far as screen shots and such. I will be firing up the laptop soon….sorry.) Go left of the head and down a bit. You see leaves hanging out there. DO NOT maximize this shot as you will lose it with the pixelation factor. I tried that and lost it. There’s another face there pointing away from the head. It’s like some wicked collage or something. Below that is another face with it’s forehead smashed out.

        I repeat. I normally don’t believe this kinda stuff, but when the film ended and it freeze-framed. that’s what I saw. Made me jump out of my boots,….literally. I watched it four times last night and once this morning to make sure I wasn’t dreaming. It is there.

        Perfect stopping point, Bonnie. Exactly as you said. Once you see it, you can’t un-see it. I will never un-see it and, so help me, don’t you change a thing with that, Bonnie. I don’t believe in that sort of thing but that vid might make me a true believer. LOL. Nice work, btw. I offer a sincere thank you for that. You nailed it….

        (And to think I was just comin’ home from work and wanting to eat some scrambled eggs before I went to bed. LOL. Little did I know that when a video STOPPED, I would be blown outta my chair…)

        • Bonnie Brae 11:59 pm on July 3, 2013 Permalink

          You gotta give me your e-mail addy because I too saw the face on the left up in the trees and the one below – looks a little like a creepy jack-o-lantern in addition to the one in the center scrreen and then I found a couching devil on the right side. I did a screen save and circled all the creepy stuff I found. E-mail me and I will send you my image all circled. bonniebraeandsixth@gmail.com and John please delete this after scabies comments below so my addy isn’t up for the world. thanks love

        • Bonnie Brae 12:11 am on July 4, 2013 Permalink

          I’m jealous that your computer stops and freezes on the last frame. Cause mine immediately pops up a bunch of videos that it thinks I would enjoy. So I had to keep doing it and freezing at just the right spot.

        • Bonnie Brae 12:11 am on July 4, 2013 Permalink

          The face looking at the house is the creppiest of all.

        • Bonnie Brae 8:14 am on July 6, 2013 Permalink

          hi hunny – please delete my follow up messages w e-mail. and after – xo

    • localarts 2:16 pm on July 2, 2013 Permalink | Reply

      Can’t seem to see the image you guys & gals are talking about.

      • Bonnie Brae 4:54 pm on July 2, 2013 Permalink | Reply

        from 6:58 to 7:02 – what I see is a creepy image in the center of the screen just right and just below the moon it takes shape as the headlights hit the trees. Reminds me of the creepy SAW face or possibly a creepy faces of drama mask.

        • Bonnie Brae 5:03 pm on July 2, 2013 Permalink

          anyone – please pause the screen at 7:00 and let me know if you can see a creepy pumpkin face to the far lower left of the screen and far right a creepy pasty alien with a sickly looking rib cage. My mind is just running wild now.

      • Bobby 6:22 am on July 3, 2013 Permalink | Reply

        Hehe, this blog has taken a paranormal turn.
        Yeah I can see lots of faces in the trees too. Each of us will see different things in that video frame. This is a very common psy-phenomenon called pareidolia:

        http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pareidolia

        Make of it what you will and at the end of the day just have fun with it 😉 …The mind is a wonderful thing that that constantly deceives us.
        Btw, I’m not meaning to be a party-pooper.. just offering an alternate/logical explanation.

        • dreamweaverjenn 6:43 am on July 3, 2013 Permalink

          Either way it’s pretty cool.

        • Bonnie Brae 10:41 am on July 4, 2013 Permalink

          I honestly don’t think any of the stuff I see is anything more than my mind running wild. Now stop trying to ruin my good time already! 😉

        • Bonnie Brae 11:08 am on July 4, 2013 Permalink

          And what Jenn said – either way. It’s cool!

        • dreamweaverjenn 11:44 am on July 4, 2013 Permalink

          It is! 🙂

        • Bobby 7:57 am on July 5, 2013 Permalink

          Haha, like I said, run with it and have fun Bonnie 🙂

        • Bobby 8:09 am on July 5, 2013 Permalink

          To keep in the spirit of things (nyuk nyuk) I remember seeing an interview online with the former residents of the Wonderland house, LMFAO, who were talking about some minor “hauntings” they had experienced in the house. Perhaps the ghost of Ronnie is still running amok. I can try and find the video if you haven’t seen it.

    • dreamweaverjenn 2:40 pm on July 2, 2013 Permalink | Reply

      At 6:48 is when the orb first appears immediately as she is driving in front of the house.

      • John 3:01 pm on July 2, 2013 Permalink | Reply

        I see it. I’m thinking it’s a reflection of the car’s computer display or someone is on the smartphone??

        • dreamweaverjenn 3:06 pm on July 2, 2013 Permalink

          I was thinking that too on second glance but there is something right above it too.

      • Bonnie Brae 5:04 pm on July 2, 2013 Permalink | Reply

        where on the screen do you see that Jenn?

    • dreamweaverjenn 5:21 pm on July 2, 2013 Permalink | Reply

      It is just reflection like John said. I’m a TARD who needs to clean my computer! I saw the other orbs that we are talking about before. Definitely orb action! I absolutely love this area. I can’t wait to win the lotto so I can move.

    • dreamweaverjenn 5:22 pm on July 2, 2013 Permalink | Reply

      I really have no business commenting before coffee……

      • Bonnie Brae 6:02 pm on July 2, 2013 Permalink | Reply

        I want to see the orbs – it all happens so fast I keep missing them!

        • dreamweaverjenn 6:38 pm on July 2, 2013 Permalink

          That’s what you have been describing. What I first thought were orbs were reflections. I think it’s totally cool. ❤

    • localarts 6:08 pm on July 2, 2013 Permalink | Reply

      If that is an orb, could it be Joy? she held the lease there. She was the principal resident.

      • dreamweaverjenn 6:29 pm on July 2, 2013 Permalink | Reply

        I am picking up male energy around the house and from the orb(s). More likely Ronnie. Joy and Billy are most likely together. ❤

    • Johnny bravo 11:24 am on October 2, 2013 Permalink | Reply

      This is the best site on the wonderland murders that I’ve ever come across. I haven’t stop reading these blogs for 3 days straight morning till night!

  • John 8:39 pm on June 28, 2013 Permalink | Reply
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    The Drive From Wonderland To Eddie’s In HD! 

    Thanks to Bonnie for sharing.

    Let’s take a drive today from Wonderland Avenue to Dona Lola Place (Eddie’s house). Over 30 years ago at 8am on June 29th, which is tomorrow morning (PST), the Gang made this exact same drive. As you know… in 1981, June 29 was a Monday.

    The video is also in HD!

    At the :15 second mark, you can see the Wonderland house immediately to the left, light colored with 2 cars in the garage. One of the cars is a black Jeep Cherokee I think. After turning onto Dona Peguita from Laurel Canyon Blvd. at the 5:30 mark, that is where the gang saw Holmes coming down the slight hill.

    “Go Get Him!!” (fist raised out of car window)

    2.5 miles in 6.5 minutes.

    2.5 miles in 6.5 minutes.

     
    • patrick 8:59 pm on June 28, 2013 Permalink | Reply

      ha nice! I was actually thinking of doing this drive sometime this weekend to commemorate the anniversary. BTW If you keep going up past the Wonderland house (in the opposite direction of this drive) you are rewarded with one of the best views of LA spread below you..

      • Bonnie Brae 10:07 pm on June 28, 2013 Permalink | Reply

        Yes – It’s beautiful. I love that view. At night it’s just amazing.

        • John W 2:43 pm on June 29, 2013 Permalink

          How many times did Billy and Joy hold hands and walk that way in the early evening as the sun went down….?

        • Bonnie Brae 6:50 pm on July 1, 2013 Permalink

          they never their bedroom!

        • Bonnie Brae 6:18 pm on July 2, 2013 Permalink

          *left

    • Bonnie Brae 10:08 pm on June 28, 2013 Permalink | Reply

      Thank you John for all the miscellaneous info. I was wondering where he said “get em” at. Now I know.

    • Bobby 3:20 am on June 29, 2013 Permalink | Reply

      Such a beautiful area, thanks for shooting this Bonnie. If you were to play it in reverse and darkened the image you’d have the drive from the killer’s rearview mirror p.o.v… kinda.. ;p

      • Bonnie Brae 10:47 pm on June 29, 2013 Permalink | Reply

        That is a great idea. But I am gonna try to shoot the reverse trip tomorrow – I did both – other one did not turn out so hot so I gotta reshoot. It’s coming I promise – and a trip from wonderland to the market.

        • Bobby 5:53 am on June 30, 2013 Permalink

          Oh wow, that’ll be great.. Looking forward to it! It’d be really cool if you were a bit naughty and edged your car into Eddie’s driveway as we’ve never really gotten a close up shot of the front of his house 😉 No pressure of course!.. I’m sure it will be a great video regardless! Cheers Bonnie.

        • dreamweaverjenn 9:23 am on June 30, 2013 Permalink

          I would so love to hang out with Bonnie! If I ever do get out there, I’m going to hire her as my personal driver and tour guide!

        • Bonnie Brae 9:59 am on June 30, 2013 Permalink

          @Bobby – I got as close as I could without intruding on the current owners.

          @Dream – Come visit. You will be in for a whirlwind of a tour. Did you happen to read the book Wonderland Avenue? It’s amazing. Referencing things from that book is what got me fascinated with the Wonderland stuff. If you did – I know most of the locations from that book like the Doors office – and Pam and Jims apartment.

        • Bonnie Brae 9:59 am on June 30, 2013 Permalink

          meaning – the next video is coming shortly

    • dreamweaverjenn 6:23 am on June 29, 2013 Permalink | Reply

      Absolutely awesome!!! Thank you!!!!

    • localarts 8:40 am on June 29, 2013 Permalink | Reply

      Looks like Bonnie just took the cool factor to another level, dosen’t get much better than this! I would say the gang was getting ready to leave Eddie’s place right about now.

      • John W 2:45 pm on June 29, 2013 Permalink | Reply

        Yes! And they divee’d the loot awhile ago… and Tracy took his cab home to Lemp Ave in N. Hollywood an hour later!

      • Bonnie Brae 9:40 am on June 30, 2013 Permalink | Reply

        🙂

    • Anthony 6:27 pm on June 29, 2013 Permalink | Reply

      I while back I posted this video and asked if anyone knew who’s portrait was in Ron’s room (0:13) Well, I finally found out. Looks like Ron was a fan of ballet because the guy in the picture is Mikhail Baryshnikov.

      • localarts 11:39 am on June 30, 2013 Permalink | Reply

        Still difficult for me to watch these videos. I’m sure it never gets any easier this time of the year for the victims family members, tonight and tomorrow will be hard for them.

    • Anthony 8:52 pm on June 29, 2013 Permalink | Reply

      • Bobby 12:54 am on June 30, 2013 Permalink | Reply

        On the second page there is an advert for 6 tube socks for $2.97. Billy would have had a field day with that low price!!

    • Anthony 9:25 pm on June 29, 2013 Permalink | Reply

      I’m sure you guys have seen this but if not…………..

    • localarts 11:32 am on June 30, 2013 Permalink | Reply

      Holmes was receiving some wall to wall counseling from Ed & Greg around this time.

    • Anthony 6:51 pm on June 30, 2013 Permalink | Reply

      I’m sure you guys have seen this but if not —

      Ellensburg Daily Record — 7/8/81

      http://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=860&dat=19810708&id=m0tPAAAAIBAJ&sjid=CY8DAAAAIBAJ&pg=6075,465119

      • localarts 9:10 pm on June 30, 2013 Permalink | Reply

        Yes, read it eon’s ago, but those old articles never get old!

    • Bonnie Brae 10:50 am on July 4, 2013 Permalink | Reply

      Mulholland at 4:18 seconds

      • dreamweaverjenn 10:56 am on July 4, 2013 Permalink | Reply

        You guys are blessed to live there. I have wanted to go there my entire life! I will! When you have the time, you are broke and when you have the money you have no time, lol.

  • John 12:00 pm on June 18, 2013 Permalink | Reply
    Tags: eddie nash,   

    Judge in Nash & Diles Trials Busted For Shoplifting 

    As if the Wonderland saga could not get any stranger! In the early 80s, Ricks was the judge in both of Nash and Diles’ trials. If Ricks was correct in declaring that Nash was a danger to society, then the judge was a bigger danger to Big Lots and Walgreens.

    On New Year’s Eve 1988, the L.A. Times reported:

    Long Beach Municipal Judge James Wright fined Everett Ricks $500, which the former jurist immediately paid. Under a provision of the California Penal Code, Wright then allowed [Everett Emett Ricks Jr.] to withdraw his guilty plea and enter a plea of not guilty, and then dismissed Ricks’ case.

    I guess he did it for the “high”, sort of like Wynona Ryder and Lindsay Lohan. Let’s go steal some shit.

     
    • localarts 12:58 pm on June 18, 2013 Permalink | Reply

      Like I said before, If your gonna beat the rap LA is the place to be. Can’t say that I’m really all that surprised.

      • mark strangelove 7:04 am on September 27, 2013 Permalink | Reply

        Every State has some variation of a “Civil Demand” regarding shoplifting. Here in Florida if you are caught shoplifting, the charges are usually dropped or no conviction is recorded if the person pays a significant amount more than the item’s worth ($300.00 or three times the value which ever is greater). After more than 20 years and about 1000 apprehensions, I’ve only seen a handful of serious prosecutions involving misdemeanor shoplifting charges.

    • Anthony 7:29 pm on June 18, 2013 Permalink | Reply

      If the Wonderland Gang had a theme song this would be it.

  • John 9:56 am on June 18, 2013 Permalink | Reply
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    Eddie Nash Frightened Former Starwood Employee 

    Just a heads up. At about this same time in June, 1981… David Lind and Barbara were arriving at the Wonderland house. It must have felt like Dave was right back in the summer o’ love 😉  Damn, didn’t it feel good to be home!

    Oh no, not you again.

    Oh no, not you again.

    The Starwood night club closed down during the same year as the Wonderland murders. It is a strange coincidence. The city officials were tired of the complaints from neighbors, etc., but the timing of the murders and licenses not being renewed is odd.

    In “L.A. Exposed” by Paul Young, we find out that…

    By 1966 PJ’s had been bought by an organized crime figure, Eddie Nash and reputed organized crime figure Dominic Lucci, and was managed by Gary Fontenot (not an organized crime figure) for many years. In 1973, after Nash bought out Lucci’s ownership interest in the club, it became The Starwood. It closed in 1981, torn down by the City, after too many citations for underage drinking and noise abatement issues. Before it was demolished it caught fire, though not burning totally. This occurred while unexplained fires befell other Nash-owned properties at the time. Subsequently the structure was torn down, and a mini-mall was built on the site.

    The jury is still out, so to speak, on whether Dominic Lucci had anything to do with singer Bobby Fuller’s mysterious death! To read about that story, click here.

    Let’s move on…

    At a punk rock forum, I found this little nugget from a former Starwood employee. I read another account once that was posted by a former waitress or bartender. She said Eddie invited her to his house for a party. She declined. Smart girl. She would have awoke to Greg Diles on top of her.

    Starwood manager, Gary, is also mentioned below. The “coat check” scam is just another cover charge. By the time you get in the damn club, you are already $10 light in the wallet!

    Oh, my darling Starwood! I was crazy in love with the ‘Wood’. It really was the home of Sex, Drugs, and Rock n Roll. Lol! It was never a place for lightweights, that’s for sure. Anyone who thought all that stuff didn’t go on there was highly naive.You knew the moment you drove or walked under that over marquis that this was OZ. A wonderful decadent OZ of Rock n Roll! I worked there on and off from 72 until it closed down in 82. Sometimes I’d go to my parents and visit, or go to Europe for a visit with my grandmother for a few weeks and come back to work at the ‘Wood’. Cleaning glasses and ashtrays at first,then on to cleaning up the tables on the main floors and up in the VIP club, the offices, etc,and working at the VIP entrance sometimes,and then my final and permanent job:: The ever insane Coat Check. This was before the cage went up. Gary had that put in when people kept stealing coats from the other end of the counter.They could just reach across and grab stuff before I could get to them! The Starwood was my home,my heart and soul.I grew up there, being only 18 1/2 when I arrived at the club for the first time. I got in with an older friend. They didn’t check IDs a lot there till much later on. I’ve never gotten over the loss of that place. The world lost a great nightclub,and personally, I don’t care about Eddie Nash (whom frightened the hell out of me every time he shook my hand), or what he got up to in the ‘underbelly’ of his Nightclub. I just wish it hadn’t ruined the Starwood’s life. I’d never say anything to disrespect the memory of such an iconic place for thousands of people who feel it it’s a part of their youth.

     

     
    • Bobby 10:59 am on June 18, 2013 Permalink | Reply

      Eddie Nash – definitely the case of a guy whose reputation VERY MUCH preceded him. Granted he was kinda creepy looking but on account of his slight, gangly figure I’d hardly say he was an imposing guy. Are there any recent photos of Nash about? Wonder if he got skinnier (if that is even possible) or instead packed on the pounds after putting that pipe away.

      • John 11:06 am on June 18, 2013 Permalink | Reply

        I don’t know, but he is 80-something. You’re supposed to keep a healthy life to live to a ripe old age. He made it anyways!

        • Jenn 11:49 am on June 18, 2013 Permalink

          I know! It’s shocking!!!!!!!!!! I don’t know if he could get any skinnier but if he did pack on the pounds we would probably not recognize him in that speedo.

      • John 11:51 am on June 18, 2013 Permalink | Reply

        And Greg Diles lost 100 lbs while in prison for his drug and assault charges. He did not have the Nash genes or longevity and died of liver failure in 95.

    • localarts 11:06 am on June 18, 2013 Permalink | Reply

      Van Halen was discovered at the Starwood in May 1977. Warner Brothers record exec’s were on hand that night. I wonder if Nash made a pack with Dimond Dave and the guys. Remember, the first track on side A of Van Halen 1 is “Runnin with the devil”

      • Jenn 11:49 am on June 18, 2013 Permalink | Reply

        Wow! That’s right!

        • localarts 1:00 pm on June 18, 2013 Permalink

          Yeah, can you imagine an 80+ overweight Nash in speedo’s. I think I might puke!!

      • Bobby 11:10 am on June 20, 2013 Permalink | Reply

        He’s probably in his speedo’s right now, sitting on the couch in his modest Tarzana condo, notebook on his lap, reading this blog and giggling with pride. C’mod Eddie, post something for us!

        • The Odyssey 8:44 pm on June 21, 2013 Permalink

          The Manager of The Starwood had an affair with Elton John also.

    • Angie Fontenot 2:31 pm on January 6, 2014 Permalink | Reply

      My uncle is (was) Gary Fontenot. I would love to know more about him. An affair with Elton John? WOW

      • John 8:34 am on January 7, 2014 Permalink | Reply

        Angie, yes… Gary was a peripheral player in the Wonderland saga, and knew Eddie Nash quite well. Did you know Gary very well, or was he a distant relative? Lee who worked at the Starwood tells some pretty cool stories here on the blog about Dom Fragomeli, Eddie, big parties, Eddie’s house, etc.

        • Angie Fontenot 8:41 am on January 7, 2014 Permalink

          Yes, I knew him as the coolest Uncle I had. He would come to Louisiana and visit every couple of years and my parents would fly me up to Hollywood for vacations. I remember when I was young (about 12 years old) they took me to the Starwood to see the place. It was unbelievable to my eyes. The stuff I saw in Gary’s office, I can still see it in my mind. When I graduated from high school in 1982 I flew up there and stayed with Gary for two weeks ~ an incredible two weeks. He was so much fun and I miss him very much. Did you know he passed away in Honduras a few years ago? He was living there and he had a nighclub.

        • John 8:49 am on January 7, 2014 Permalink

          Well, all that Lee told me was that he had died in Central America. Lee had nothing but good things to say about Gary. You can read those stories that Lee shared about Gary and the Starwood here:

          https://wonderland1981.wordpress.com/?s=gary+fontenot

        • Angie Fontenot 8:59 am on January 7, 2014 Permalink

          From what I understand, Gary was on the run from the mofia and that is why he moved to Honduras. Before he fled he worked for Merrill Lynch and the word “embezzling” actually came up. In Honduras, Someone shot him one night (attempting to murder him) as he was leaving his club, but he survived. No money was taken from him so it wasn’t robbery. My Dad told me the mofia caught up with him. About a year later a blood clot from the gunshot wound broke free and killed him. Gary’s father who is (was) wealthy was too tight to spend the money to fly his body back to the States for a burial. Supposedly they threw his body on the side of a mountain like trash. I would love to know exactly what went down but I don’t even know where to start. My Dad who is his brother still talks about him all the time. The whole family misses him, he was iconic to all of us and he was so much fun to be around.

    • david Gutiérrez 12:15 am on March 7, 2015 Permalink | Reply

      know gary fontenot very well back from Honduras he was a really nice person i will give angie fontenot more info about him my cell is (615)4031841 Now I live in nashville tennessee

      • Angie 1:07 pm on March 18, 2015 Permalink | Reply

        Thank you for reaching out to me. I will give you a call this evening, central time. I’m in Baton Rouge, LA.

    • Joe 4:00 am on April 24, 2018 Permalink | Reply

      *Van Halen was discovered at Gazzari’s, not the Starwood.

      • localarts 10:14 pm on September 25, 2018 Permalink | Reply

        Not according to EVH. Ted Templeman, Mo Ostin & Marshall Berle went to the Starwood one rainy Monday night in May 1977 and the rest is history! Eddie Van Halen has told that story many times.

  • John 9:26 am on May 31, 2013 Permalink | Reply
    Tags: eddie nash, ,   

    Mr. Y & Joe – A Tale Of Two Nightclub Owners 

    Behind The Candelabra kicked ass in the ratings the other night. The few people I know with HBO all watched it. But, it was deemed “too gay” for theaters, so it was not picked up by any distributors. I was kind of shocked to read that, it seems like Liberace still has friends in the biz, and they did not like the idea of this film being made. Of course, I would have gone to see it. It would have been the first trip to the movies for me since Transformers 2 over four years ago. And that sucked.

    * * * * *

    In the book, Liberace: An American Boy, the author Darden Asbury Byron, tells us more about Scott Thorson’s connections to the L.A. underworld figures known as Chris Cox and Eddie Nash. Chris Cox is Mr. Y, and Eddie is known as Joe.

    More people watched his nationally syndicated television show between 1953 and 1955 than followed I Love Lucy. Even a decade after his death, the attendance records he set at Madison Square Garden, the Hollywood Bowl, and Radio City Music Hall still stand. Arguably the most popular entertainer of the twentieth century, this very public figure nonetheless kept more than a few secrets.

    More people watched his nationally syndicated television show between 1953 and 1955 than followed I Love Lucy. Even a decade after his death, the attendance records he set at Madison Square Garden, the Hollywood Bowl, and Radio City Music Hall still stand. Arguably the most popular entertainer of the twentieth century, this very public figure nonetheless kept more than a few secrets.

    Read more:

    Standing almost a foot taller than Liberace, Scott was a big dude, and when on a drug rampage, Liberace was quite terrified of him.

    University of Chicago Press, June, 2000. A month before the movie aired, there was another edition of this book printed. I bet that it sells like hot cakes!

    University of Chicago Press, June, 2000. A month before the movie aired, there was another edition of this book printed. I bet that it sells like hot cakes!

    Liberace: "You Monster!"

    Liberace: “You Monster!” LOL

     
    • John 9:46 am on May 31, 2013 Permalink | Reply

      After the movie aired the other night, WordPress stats tell me that most of the visitors to the blog used Google and searched on “Scott Thorson”. LOL. That cracks me up for some reason. They had to know more! hell yes.

    • Jenn 11:50 am on May 31, 2013 Permalink | Reply

      It really is a good movie. I have still been trying to watch it from start to finish in one sitting but so far have been unsuccessful. Between kids, dogs, phone calls, I have tried to watch it straight through about 10 times. One scene that I CONSISTENTLY get to see repeatedly is the big sex scene between Liberace and Thorson. Realizing it’s Michael Douglas on the receiving end I almost crack up. Especially after seeing him in such movies as Fatal Attraction and Basic Instinct. Hopefully this weekend I will get to see it uninterrupted!

      • John 4:59 pm on May 31, 2013 Permalink | Reply

        Don’t forget Disclosure! Where he is the one who is sexually harassed by Demi Moore, that wicked temptress. Its from like ’95 era. Great movie though. Also, A Perfect Murder where he kills Viggo Mortensen… I have wanted someone to kill him for years.

    • localarts 2:01 pm on May 31, 2013 Permalink | Reply

      Michael Douglas is a great actor and a first class individual. I remember seeing him give a homeless man some money one time. You could tell he felt sorry for the guy. Not too many hollywood big shots would go out of their way to do that I bet.

      • John 2:03 pm on May 31, 2013 Permalink | Reply

        He has always been a favorite of mine. One day, I too will find my Catherine Zeta.

      • dreamweaverjenn 4:49 pm on May 31, 2013 Permalink | Reply

        He is one of my favorites as well. I like him in everything i’ve seen him in and he was EXCELLENT in this movie. I expected nothing less.

        • John 2:33 pm on June 2, 2013 Permalink

          He says he got throat cancer from oral sex. That’s crazy, especially since he used to smoke.

    • dreamweaverjenn 5:03 pm on June 2, 2013 Permalink | Reply

      That is crazy. How do you get cancer from oral sex? He smoked like a freight train.

    • localarts 8:45 am on June 3, 2013 Permalink | Reply

      Reminds me of Eddie Van Halen. For those of you who are Van Halen fans, you may remember Eddie got tongue cancer some years ago and he blamed it on metal guitar pics that he put in his mouth. Eddie was a hardcore smoker & drinker!

  • John 1:21 pm on May 30, 2013 Permalink | Reply
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    A New Liberace Movie & Scott Thorson Is Reborn! 

    I believe that it was FDR who said, “Democracy is a story with no ending”. If not, then it was some old dude who said it. I will say the same about the Wonderland story. It never dies, and why should it. It’s effin fascinating. The recent HBO movie, Behind The Candelabra, has placed Eddie Nash back in the news. I also find it funny how so many TV viewers are quick to run and Google stuff they see in movies and shows. I do that everyday!

    In this recent article by The Guardian, they just cannot stay away from the Nash chapter in Scott Thorson’s life.

    Eight girls… damn, Nash had some stamina:

    …he was offered leniency by the district attorney’s office in exchange for testifying that he happened to be at Nash’s home when thugs pummelled John Holmes – which, if true, would make Thorson a kind of Zelig of the Awful. Eleven members of the jury voted to convict. One held out. Nash later admitted to bribing that lone juror, and in 2001, he struck a plea bargain in which he was sentenced to 37 months in prison for racketeering.

    Now, in his early 80s, Nash is a free man. And he would like to make it clear that he and Thorson were never partners.

    “No, no, he worked for me,” Nash said on the telephone. “When Liberace dumped him, he had nothing. He was on the streets. So I took him in, and he worked at the house. He was good for cleaning. Because I lived with eight girls at the time. Beautiful girls. College girls. It was safe to have Thorson around because he is gay. I had a gay cook, too.”

     
    • localarts 2:05 pm on May 30, 2013 Permalink | Reply

      Ed was a very smart man. Hiring gay men to do the day to day business of home care while Nash himself
      enjoyed the company of eight college girls. Smart guy. By the way, there used to be a rumor the Nash had some kind of penis implant to be just like Holmes. I have know idea if this is true or not. I guess Nash wanted to see himself as “Eddie Wadd”

    • John W 6:38 pm on May 30, 2013 Permalink | Reply

      I have not talked directly with anyone yet who has seen the Candelabra movie… until today! My friend says that there is an Eddie type character in the film. He is not named but according to the book, it’s allegedly a composite of Scott’s drug dealer bro’s…yea right…whatever. That rocks!

  • John 7:58 am on May 15, 2013 Permalink | Reply
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    Ed Nash Sends Holmes A Letter In Jail 

    This is strange. From jail, Nash sends Holmes a letter after his sentencing for having all of that cocaine in his house. He urges John to “tell the truth”, which to Holmes means “make up another story” and continue the ruse… pathetic. What he tells the grand jury to obtain his freedom is unknown and sealed. But, it would be the second group of lies, and probably the same set of lies that appear in his later autobiography. I recently saw that book at a used bookstore for like $2. I did not even pick it up, let alone look at it. It’s fiction. I should have moved it to the fiction section.

    At his trial, John’s defense was that he was taken to the house “under duress” with a gun to his head. But in his book, “Porn King”, he says that he was kept at another house while the killings occurred, then he went to Wonderland later only to find the victims and their heads flattened, nothing left but slime or whatever the hell he said in his bullshit book.

    Ok, I’m done for the day. Have at it!

    That LMFAO Wonderland house video was strange. I wonder if those jackasses actually live there? scroll down the blog if you have not seen it yet.

    UPI Article. Nov. 23, 1982.

    UPI Article. Nov. 23, 1982.

     
    • krislyn 8:59 am on May 15, 2013 Permalink | Reply

      yeah. what scum. how people still consider him a hero is beyond me . Attourney Coen stated that at the Grand Jury , Holmes said nothing of relevance to the murders . my questioned was why did he agree to to tje Grand Jury if he already spent 110 days in contempt for it. he didnt have to at that point. maybe to scare Nash?. anyways good stuff!

      • localarts 10:16 am on May 15, 2013 Permalink | Reply

        His pornography “groupies” for lack of a better word, will never accept anything less than what they believed him to be which was an awesome human being. Sounds crazy but it’s very true and very sad..

        • Jenn 12:32 pm on May 15, 2013 Permalink

          Yeah, people like my ex who absolutely idolize this scum. And for what? I thought he looked gross naked myself but that’s just my opinion.

        • John 3:12 pm on May 15, 2013 Permalink

          He is infamous, at least. I guess his fans or whatever do not truly understand the extent of his involvement. It’s similar, to a much less extent, for how the younger neo-hippies worship Che Guevara, that professor/student killing, piece of shit murderer! Karma’s a bitch and like Holmes, he got his comeuppance.

      • Jenn 12:31 pm on May 15, 2013 Permalink | Reply

        I agree with you. He is, was, and will always be a p.o.s. to me. My ex husband used to say that he was the next John Holmes and I was like “yeah, ummm, ok.” Just because somebody has a car doesn’t mean they know how to drive! Lol. Needless to say, the relationship was extremely short lived.

        • John W 3:22 pm on May 16, 2013 Permalink

          Well, John Holmes is a huge icon…So much so, that even his surname conjurs up a grin for most men out there who have seen a few pornos. I doubt that the phrase and others like “how’s it hangin Holmes?” would exist today without him hahaa

      • John 1:03 pm on May 15, 2013 Permalink | Reply

        We bash a lot of people on this site, not just Holmes and his wife. So…. we also acknowledge that the other players involved in Wonderland were not heroes or angels either, but deserved better than that…especially the 3 women.

        • localarts 1:12 pm on May 15, 2013 Permalink

          Yep no doubt about it, they were thieves, dealers and addict’s. Business would have carried on as usual on July 1 had they not befriended Johnny Wadd Holmes. It just astounds me Holmes could stand there and call them “dirt” after what he did.

          To quote Sharon Holmes: “Conscience….not something he had”

        • patrick 3:29 pm on May 15, 2013 Permalink

          i would say barbara richardson was probably the only relative innocent in this affair. holmes was indeed the amoral catalyst in the disaster but even the victims chose their fate in a sense by the lives they chose to lead and the company they kept. susan lanius and joy miller were older women who must have known very well what their men were into and, possibly, some of the unsavory things they did. richardson..what i’ve read about her at least…seems to have been a young lost soul who fell in with a bad man. she strikes me as a tragic case of “wrong time, wrong place”..

        • John 4:54 pm on May 15, 2013 Permalink

          I paraphrase but what she said is so true…”When people hit rock bottom, they can usually dig deep down and find something to build on, John didn’t have anything to find anymore” –Sharon Holmes

        • dreamweaverjenn 7:58 pm on May 16, 2013 Permalink

          That’s true. I do believe there is SOME good in people in spite of their addictions and life style. HOWEVER, with Holmes, I am having a harder time imagining good in him. They certainly were not angels and no, they didn’t deserve what they got.

        • il-pinto 8:21 pm on February 23, 2015 Permalink

          the phrase ‘how’s it hanging holmes’ (or any phrase using ‘holmes’) has nothing to do with John Holmes.

          ‘homes’. Often spelt or pronounced as ‘holmes’, is short for homeboy

    • krislyn 9:04 am on May 15, 2013 Permalink | Reply

      is the house for rent right now? we should ask thr lanlord to rent it for one night on june 30. for like $100 and have a small open tour for wonderland fanatics. 🙂

      • Jenn 12:32 pm on May 15, 2013 Permalink | Reply

        That would be kinda cool. 😉

        • localarts 1:03 pm on May 15, 2013 Permalink

          Yeah, that would be neat. All the regulars on this forum could meet there on June 28, get up at 7:45 am on June 29 and make the drive to Nash’s place on Dona Lona then arrive back at Wonderland at 10:00 am and party Just like they did almost 32 years ago.

        • patrick 3:01 pm on May 15, 2013 Permalink

          i was thinking the same thing as localarts. i’ve driven that route from dona lola to the wonderland house a couple times trying to get my mind around what went down that night.

        • John 4:40 pm on May 15, 2013 Permalink

          If only we could! In high school I bought my uncle’s old 76 Ford Granada. The stolen car used by the gang was a 75. Same body style though…we could have all fit in the front/back seat! Seats 8 comfortably!

      • dreamweaverjenn 7:59 pm on May 16, 2013 Permalink | Reply

        John, I too was priveleged enough to own a lovely Ford Granada of the same era! Mine was a two door. It had been my grandmother’s and yes, it seated quite a crowd comfortably.

    • localarts 5:14 pm on May 15, 2013 Permalink | Reply

      John remember that 76 Granada would have to be running on fumes. Such was the case when Tracy McCourt weaved through the hollywood hills to Dona Lola. Ed Nash didn’t know it at the time but part of the loot was used to fill up that 75 Granada and buy the gang a carton of smoke’s.

    • krislyn 9:49 pm on May 15, 2013 Permalink | Reply

      i was born in 1980. I dont know why i get so into this. i research a lot of topics. if i get into it enough ill read a million books about it. this story intrigues me for some reason.

    • scabiesoftherat 11:29 pm on May 15, 2013 Permalink | Reply

      Holmes was like a car wreck. For as unattractive as he was as a human being, there is just something morbidly curious about it all. Gotta figure, in the Wonderland DVD set, they included that film called, “Wadd.” A whole hour and a half movie about his life and career…which is kinda mind-boggling if you think about it. One movie makes him out to be slime and the movie included with it almost celebrates his dismal existence…of course, I ended up watching it…because it’s like watching a slow-motion car wreck. You just can’t look away. Even the woman doctor that gave him his psychological evaluation was smiling when remembering him…saying he was so nice and charming…and then adding, “he, of course, was a sociopath to the core.” Which is it, doc?

      I’m with you, Jenn. I think he looks gross naked….or clothed. And what’s with the pinky ring? Geez. If this guy ever did one good thing in his entire life, I would almost give’em some grace. He left his wife, took his schlong on the road, founf an underage girl, stole like a thief, sold his girlfriend to slimey criminals to pay debts (and beat her when she got back home), got AIDS and still made movies while knowing he had it

      But it can be said that he did do that nice commercial for Gatorade. That was a plus, huh?

      http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=n_DHEp6aPaE

    • krislyn 10:47 am on May 16, 2013 Permalink | Reply

      I read post below. lol if LMFAO was living in that house last year lol i tried breaking in the back to take a picture. went there alot lol they priobably thought i was a crazy stalker lol

  • John 8:24 am on May 9, 2013 Permalink | Reply
    Tags: eddie nash, racketeering   

    Authorities Installed Bugged Phone At Eddie’s Place 

    Corey Mitchell is the author of “Hollywood Death Scenes: True Crime and Tragedy in Paradise”. He posted the information below on a discussion forum back in 2001, when Eddie was dealing with his racketeering case.

    A few observations…

    By this time, Eddie was living at his condo in Tarzana, not at his old Dona Lola house. However, the issue of Eddie’s bail being revoked from talking to bad people on the “list” made by prosecutors is correct. Nash did live to accept a plea bargain in this case, and served about half of the 37 months sentence.

    Eddie is still alive and chillaxin’, living out his golden years and being a grandpa. It’s funny, because I saw a Wonderland video on YouTube recently, someone made a nasty comment about Eddie, and another user claiming to be his grandson said something like “my grandpa is great, he had nothing to do with this!”. If it was genuine, then it’s a small world indeed.

    Corey Mitchell tells us…

    In November 2000, Eddie Nash was actually released from jail on $1.5 million bail. His worth at the time was estimated to be $30-$35 million. While out on bail, however, Nash made a few mistakes. He was ordered to be sequestered in his mansion and was also hit with several restrictions. One being that he was supposed to use a specific telephone when making any outgoing calls. This phone, along with his mail, was monitored by the FBI. Nash, however, used a different phone to make several calls. Needless to say, Judge Carlos Moreno was not happy. Nash also took visits from a lawyer friend who had been subpoenaed by the judge. Nash was not supposed to have any contact with his friend. As a result, Moreno threw Nash back in jail where he sits today waiting for his trial. A trial date of September has been set, but it could possibly be pushed back. Nash is in poor physical shape as he suffers from emphysema, coronary artery disease, and tuberculosis. Some people think he may not even live to see trial.

    The location of one of Eddie's old business offices for "Adel, Inc." in the 70s/80s. The clothing store there, is owned by one of the world's richest men.

    This is the Hollywood location of one of Eddie’s old business offices for “Adel, Inc.” in the 70s/80s. The clothing store there now is owned by one of the world’s richest men. At the height of his empire, Ed had about 5 incorporated umbrella businesses.

    The world famous Cedars Sinai Hospital, where Susan Launius was taken after she survived the attack.

    The world famous Cedars Sinai Hospital, where Susan Launius was taken after she survived the attack.

    Wonderland at night...say about 3:30am.

    Wonderland at night…say about 3:30am.

     
  • John 8:25 am on May 8, 2013 Permalink | Reply
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    Was Armenian Tough Guy, Joe McLean, At Wonderland That Night? 

    Foreign-born gangsters and mafia guys often anglicize their real names, as in this case, Hovsep Mikaelian is now “Joe McLean”. It’s the same with Eddie Nash (Adel Nasrallah). I remember that during the 80s in Houston, there was even a Vietnamese mafia guy or gang leader with the street name “Tony Playboy”. The list goes on…

    Back to Joe McLean.

    Since we are here to investigate Wonderland and to speculate on evidence, then we must consider who Nash sent to the Wonderland house to commit the murders. Now, if the police are correct in assuming it was Greg Diles, his brother Samuel, Holmes and another person or two. Maybe that other person was Joe McLean?

    You see in 1981, he would have been a young street tough, newly arrived in L.A. from Armenia with his brother, Hrant, and hoping to make a name for himself. He is also old friends with Eddie Nash and he knew him in 1981.

    They are best remembered for their role in the Wonderland murders and their ties to Abdel Gharib Nasrallah aka Eddie Nash.

    –crimefile web site

    There was not much blood around the doorway nook inside the house after the murders. So, if Billy Deverell unknowingly let the killers inside the gate, maybe they put a gun in his face when he opened the door and forced him to go upstairs and get the loot, while Barbara and the others were being killed. As this is going down, Joy is screaming her heard off. In the ensuing struggle, we know from the autopsy reports that Billy had a broken upper rib, right below the armpit.

    Stay tuned… I am tracking down more info. There was allegedly a jailhouse audio interview with McLean. I will keep you posted.

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    Ties with local Palestinian operation. 
    Conventional wisdom says Jews and Palestinians are mortal enemies. By and large this is true except when applied to criminal dealings. As noted above, investigators noted the Israeli criminals headquartered in Calexico were involved in buying a selling records to a number of groups around the globe. The most curious of their dealings just might have been the transfers of military weaponry to Lebanese groups. The acknowledged leader of a Palestinian operation in Los Angeles was a clean shaven tough known as Joe McClean. McClean was in reality Hovsep Mikaelian who coincidentally made his home in North Hollywood. Mikaelian and his brother Hrant, involved themselves in a number of criminal ventures including drug smuggling, porn, tax fraud, extortion, murder and illicit fuel sales.

    They are best remembered for their role in the Wonderland murders and their ties to Abdel Gharib Nasrallah aka Eddie Nash. Nasrallah immigrated to the U.S., in the 1950s and landed in Los Angeles where he opened several tony restaurants and clubs in the Hollywood area. Nasrallah became a household name when his drug operation orchestrated the murders of four people in a Laurel Canyon drug house on Wonderland Avenue. Remarkable for its ties to Hollywood’s semi-elite and porns reigning king John Holmes, and the lengthy unsuccessful attempts to prosecute those involved.

    Joe McLean having dinner with his family.

    Joe McLean having dinner with his family.

    Nash ditched and dodged the efforts of local and federal prosecutors for years his understudy or associate Mikaelian wasn’t quite as lucky. Mikaelian was convicted of fuel excise tax evasion, narcotics trafficking and wire fraud. The legal cocktail earned him a 14 year prison term handed down in 1998. Nash himself entered a guilty plea in connection with Laurel Canyon murders in 2001 and received 34 months in prison. Little effort was expended in stating the obvious ties between Nash’s Palestinian operation and the Israeli mob.

    The first acknowledgement that an Israeli crime syndicate was known to be operating in Los Angeles came as early as the mid-70s. By 1980 the LAPD, California State investigators and the FBI all had files open on selected targets. All began to work in concert with key members of Israel’s parliament exchanging intelligence which gave the first intimation that something big was in the works. One of those working the operation from the Israeli side was current Israeli President Ehud Olmert.

    Olmert noted in a document sent to the U.S., known as the “Eleven report,” that Israel noted a sizeable number of crooks fleeing Israeli starting about 1975. Olmert noted the criminals began to fan out to every major European city some to the U.S., on the order of 11 biggies who called the shots from Israel. It was noted that one of the biggies or 11 made several trips to Los Angeles between 1975 and 1979. The California State Department of Justice produced a report detailing the origins of the Israeli mob and its ties to its U.S., Italian counterpart.

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    You can read more here about their sales tax scam. The “new mafia” guys in L.A. have prospered for a long time doing this type of ripoff and many other scams.

    Read on…

    L.A.’s New Mobsters
    http://www.dailynews.com
    By Troy Anderson, Staff Writer

    Russian, Armenian, Colombian, African-American, Latino, and Asian-American sinister operations fill vacuum left by absence of Italian Mafia in Los Angeles.

    Long proud that the Italian-American Mafia, held little sway in Los Angeles, law enforcement officials say they now face a fast-growing and serious challenge from organized crime syndicates rooted in the county’s booming ethnic communities.

    The massive trade in illegal drugs transformed some street gangs in African-American and Latino communities into more sinister operations and Asian-American criminal syndicates have grown increasingly active in recent years as their populations have grown.

    But the fastest-growing crime syndicates in Southern California involve Russians, Armenians and people from Eastern European countries who came to Los Angeles in the decade since the fall of the Soviet Union, officials said.

    “When you think of organized crime, you think of more ‘The Sopranos’ kinds of stuff,” said Joe Scott, spokesman for District Attorney Steve Cooley. “This is a more subtle, insidious form that has crept into the criminal culture.”

    Local law enforcement has taken so little notice of the problem that the District Attorney’s Office previously had only one part-time prosecutor assigned to organized crime.

    But Cooley plans to create an Organized Crime Division with a large team of investigators and prosecutors to focus on ethnic syndicates and hate groups.

    For law enforcement, the advent of sophisticated organizations often preying on their own ethnic groups poses new and difficult problems. In part, the matter is compounded by the international nature of the syndicates and their criminal activity.

    Extortion, insurance and medical fraud, auto theft, counterfeiting, credit card forgery, fuel tax fraud, money laundering, and murder are among the crimes local and federal officials say are rising as these syndicates become entrenched.

    Cooley raised the issue at a recent FBI law enforcement conference, saying: “They have become a very serious concern in our county. As they gain power they will become corrupting influences.”

    Growing problem

    Law enforcement authorities at various levels of government agreed that the problem is increasing in Southern California, although they offered no breakdown statistically, an indication that the problem is only now getting increased attention.

    “It is considered to be one of the fastest-growing organized crime problems in California,” said Sgt. Steve Voors of the Los Angeles County sheriff’s Major Crimes Bureau.

    It was only in the last five years that the FBI and U.S. Attorney’s Office set up special organized crime task forces in Southern California.

    “It’s been increasing both in terms of the amount of crime and in terms of its transnational aspects,” said Assistant U.S. Attorney Dan Saunders with the Organized Crime Strike Force. “We’ve seen more crimes committed and ones more international in scope.”

    Law enforcement officials estimate there are 600 to 800 Russian crime figures in the Los Angeles area, home to the second-largest number of Russian immigrants in the United States. Many of those crime figures live in the North Hollywood and West Hollywood areas, Saunders said.

    In Glendale and Hollywood, officials estimate, there are more than 450 Armenian-American crime members and associates. Los Angeles County has roughly 300,000 Armenians, including more than 60,000 in the Glendale area, according to Alex Sardar, executive director of the Glendale chapter of the Armenian National Committee of America.

    Sardar said the majority of Armenian-Americans are “thriving, law-abiding and involved citizens of their communities.”

    “Anything the District Attorney’s Office can do to reduce crime in this community, particularly hate crimes since that affects the community especially, is worth looking into,” he said.

    Stephen Wiley, the FBI Criminal Division’s special agent in charge, said Russian and Armenian organized crime syndicates are flourishing in the county and focusing their efforts on lucrative white-collar crime.

    In particular, these syndicates are heavily involved in identity theft and various types of related immigration, insurance, medical and credit card fraud.

    “It’s exploding in Los Angeles County,” said Allen Sawyer, chief deputy director of the California Office of Criminal Justice Planning. “The number of instances has gone from infrequent to commonplace.”

    International influence

    Saunders in the U.S. Attorney’s Office said organized crime syndicates from the Eastern Bloc have become a significant problem in the county.

    “The most significant aspect is the transnational aspect of it. We see a lot of organized criminal activity here in Los Angeles and elsewhere in the United States with links to countries around the world. That is a new law enforcement challenge that state and federal law enforcement prosecutors are trying very hard to keep up with.”

    A 1999 California Department of Justice report on Russian organized crime found syndicates in the United States have formed alliances… (and that) the syndicates are known for their brutality and ruthlessness.

    “Many Russian organized crime figures do not fear our judicial system and are becoming increasingly more violent towards law enforcement,” according to the report.

    In one case, Russian organized crime figures attempted to sell a submarine to Colombian drug cartel figures to help them smuggle drugs. In another case, Russian organized crime figures attempted to smuggle nuclear-related materials from the former Soviet Union.

    “One of the most alarming trends we’ve seen in respect to Euro-Asian syndicates is their willingness to form strategic alliances with other groups,” Saunders said.

    “Several years ago we prosecuted several individuals for a diesel fuel tax evasion scheme and in that case there was a taking control of truck stops and gas stations.”

    In a September 1995 series of arrests, an FBI-led task force arrested 13 Russian-Armenians in the Burbank area and accused them of running a black market diesel fuel network that supplied gas stations and truck stops throughout the region, according to the Justice Department report.

    The group — called the Mikaelian Organization after the group’s leader and self-professed “godfather” of the Russian Mafia, North Hollywood resident Hovsep Mikaelian — ran a black market diesel fuel network that supplied gas stations and truck stops throughout Southern California, authorities said.

    Prosecutors say the group managed to avoid paying $3.6 million in taxes in one year. Investigators confiscated more than $2 million in cash and property from Mikaelian, including a BMW, Jaguar, two Rolls-Royces and a boat in Marina del Rey.

    FBI spokeswoman Laura Bosley said Mikaelian is serving a federal sentence in Oklahoma and is due to get out in 2009.

    “The players quite often change,” said Glendale police Lt. Lief Nicolaisen. “While you might clearly know who is in charge of a crime family in Chicago, it’s not as easily understood by law enforcement dealing with this type of crime.”

    Said Sawyer, “It can take years to infiltrate, gather information, track the laundering of money, transactions and travel of suspects.”

    A Los Angeles Newspaper Group Newspaper

     
    • Jenn 8:45 am on May 8, 2013 Permalink | Reply

      This is really interesting! From what I have read about our charming Mr. Nash, it seems to me, he would do favors for people and put them in a position where they maybe owed him HUGE favors. I would think that Gregory Diles would not have missed the opportunity to go the Wonderland house because of the humiliation inflicted on him in the Nash robbery plus the fact that Lind shot him. Samuel probably wanted to go for his brother, there was probably this guy, Holmes and I would think one other guy maybe? It doesn’t seem like it’s that big of a house and it looks like a herd of elephants went through it from the crime scene video. I realized most of the ransacking was intentional but I wonder if it was crowded in such a small place and that maybe they “tag teamed” the victims, one beating while the other ransacks. Too bad nobody will ever “man-up” especially since he was acquitted. They can’t try him again. He can tell the truth now. Mr. Nash probably still heads up many many things that nobody even has even a small hint of.

    • Localarts 11:45 am on May 8, 2013 Permalink | Reply

      Billy Deverell should have walked out on the balcony and looked around the corner before opening the door for Holmes. Things would have turned out much differently if he had.

    • krislyn 11:29 pm on May 8, 2013 Permalink | Reply

      you probably seen this. but here is the video link of the entire tour of the house inside and out. this shows room to room made from a fan a few yours ago. he got accessess and did a walkthrough.

      http://john-harrison.blogspot.com/2009/01/video-tour-of-wonderland-murder-house.html?m=1

    • Hollywood BLVD 1:21 am on May 9, 2013 Permalink | Reply

      One of the guys was named Danny.

      • John 8:25 am on May 9, 2013 Permalink | Reply

        Interesting. Thanks.

      • Localarts 10:25 am on May 9, 2013 Permalink | Reply

        Yeah, I believe Greg had another brother named Danny. Not much has ever been said about him. Unfortunately, we will never know who was actually there that night other than Holmes. 30 plus year’s of speculation, hearsay and third hand stories still leaves us with the same questions.

        If only Holmes would have come clean on his death bed.

        • John 12:28 pm on May 9, 2013 Permalink

          I read that Holmes weighed 90 lbs and had 2 inch long fingernails when he died. I bet Lange and his partner Mac still have nightmares from that disturbing site.

  • John 7:54 am on May 3, 2013 Permalink | Reply
    Tags: bobby fuller, eddie nash   

    Ed Nash Mentioned In Bizarre Death of Musician Bobby Fuller 

    David Kulczyk keeps a blog about creepy California history, and he puts out some amazing and bizarre stories.

    We all know that Eddie Nash got around okay. He was part of the L.A. social scene for a long time and he knew a ton of people. In David’s article, we see Nash mentioned in the strange death of Bobby Fuller, who did the 1965 song “I Fought The Law” (and the law won!).

    This time however, he needed the law…

    In the early morning hours of July 18, 1966, Bobby got a mysterious phone call and left his apartment. It was the last time that he was seen alive. About five in the afternoon, Bobby’s mother found him in his car in front of his apartment building at 1776 Sycamore in Hollywood . She first thought that he was asleep as he was wearing his pajamas, but she soon found out differently. Fuller was dead, his body beaten and the interior of his car drenched with gasoline. The police called it a suicide, saying that Fuller doused himself with gasoline inside of his car, but passed out from the fumes before he could light himself on fire.

    I wish that I knew more about the club, PJ’s. If you know about it, and Eddie’s involvement as owner or whatever, please post in the comments.

    Now, here is the juicy part of the story:

    Bobby Fuller had a girlfriend named Melody, who worked at PJ’s as a waitress. There were rumors that she was a part-time prostitute and the girlfriend of the co-owner of PJ’s, Dominic Lucci. Lucci supposedly had East Coast mafia connections. His partner, Adel Nasrallah, a.k.a. Eddie Nash, was a well-known character who over the years has escaped numerous convictions for drug trafficking, arson, and murder. It is believed by some that Lucci, jealous over Melody’s affection for the good-looking and talented Fuller had his goons work him over to teach him a lesson about dipping into the company ink. Fuller, a confidant Texan, probably put up a fight and got the worse of it. In a panic, the goons tried to cover up the murder by burning up Fuller and his car, but got scared away from the scene by a passing police car.

    The Victoria Advocate. July 19, 1996.

    The Victoria Advocate. July 19, 1996.

    Further reading…

     
    • David Kulczyk 8:09 am on May 3, 2013 Permalink | Reply

      The Bobby Fuller story is from my book, Death in California: The Bizarre, Freakish, and Just Curious Ways People Die in the Golden State

      • John 8:35 am on May 3, 2013 Permalink | Reply

        Thanks David. I need to order that book. I also liked the Anissa Jones piece. I did a blog article about her too. Sad.

      • Jenn 8:43 am on May 4, 2013 Permalink | Reply

        Sounds like an awesome book! I’ll have to get a copy!

    • Jenn 8:45 am on May 4, 2013 Permalink | Reply

      Why in the WORLD would anyone think that this was a suicide attempt!? What did he do, kick his own ass and was then going to light himself on fire?? Either way, this is a fascinating story.

      • John W 11:07 am on May 4, 2013 Permalink | Reply

        I just heard his hit song on the radio… That’s a classic, now that oldies station is playing John Denver. Nooo!! RIP Bobby Fuller!

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