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  • John 2:10 pm on August 1, 2013 Permalink | Reply
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    The Golds Of Illinois 

    It’s a slow day at the Wonderland news desk, so I am going to drop a deuce, that’s right, two blog posts today.

    Joy’s side of the family.

    Did you know that I saw where her dad is still alive and he is 106 years old. Can you believe it. He should go kick Eddie’s ass.

    Father: Herman Gold
    Mother: Eva Pritikin
    Brother: Sheldon Gold
    Joy only had one sibling.

    According to the 1940 census, Joy was 5 years old and the family lived in Chicago, right about here:

    7th Ward, Block 25. Basically SW Chicago. Far lower left… “725″. Out in the nice suburbs.

    Block 725 in the lower left.

    Block 725 in the far lower left.

     

    Here’s what Block 25 sort of looks like. Your typical suburban Chicago neighborhood. I have been to Chicago many times. If you missed the depressing post on the Robert Taylor Ghetto, go here.

    I was not able to find their street address, but all of the houses and streets in the 7th Ward pretty much look like this. For what it’s worth.

    The American Dream…

    Homes of the 7th Ward, Block 25

    Typical homes of the 7th Ward, Block 25

     
    • localarts 4:23 pm on August 1, 2013 Permalink | Reply

      I agree. Mr. Gold should pay a visit to Eddie’s condo in Tarzana with pipe in hand. Eddie has to be 83-84? It still amazes me he out lived everybody or everybody we know to be involved.

      • John W 7:29 pm on August 1, 2013 Permalink | Reply

        He would knock on the door. Eddie: who is it? (or his 20 year old girlfriend). Herman: “Land shark”. Ed: “One moment, please. I’m watching OJs parole hearing w Nancy Grace”. Herman: “Bitch open the dayum door!”

        • localarts 8:03 am on August 2, 2013 Permalink

          Too funny!

    • dreamweaverjenn 12:10 am on August 2, 2013 Permalink | Reply

      lol

  • John 8:30 am on July 19, 2013 Permalink | Reply
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    Two News Articles & A Revealing Photo 

    Well, not that revealing… and not too much today, except for a few lost gems.

    First of all, we get another view of Joy’s car, as well as what looks to be the cops standing around near some evidence, as a curio or stereo stand along with a big cardboard box, are seen next to the car in the garage waiting to be hauled away. I recently posted an article describing how evidence was hauled away, uncovered in the open beds of LAPD pickup trucks. Neighbors could see the blood on items. That type of careless evidence handling would haunt the LAPD in the decades to come. Imagine if Earl Hanson had spent 6 months debating evidence handling at Holmes trial, like Johnnie Cochran did for O.J. He did not need to, but we would at least have had more trial coverage and articles to read.

    Sorry for the bleached out photo. The main article is below it.

    The cops probably had their motive by now.

    The cops probably had their motive by now.

    “Neighbors said a middle-aged woman (Joy) and a young man (Ron?) lived at the house”.

    I doubt they were describing Billy. His description from a male neighbor was “a guy you would see at a dive bar in El Paso”. I have never been to El POSo, but that statement sounds funny.

    A female neighbor said that police had been there before due to violence.

    AP Article. July 2, 1981.

    ” AP Article. July 2, 1981.

    In this short article, we see that a neighbor thought Joy and Ron were mother and son. Even at this point, the cops couldn’t seem to get their stories straight. Was it death by ax murder or by gun shot?

    AP Article. July 2, 1981.

    AP Article. July 2, 1981.

     
    • dreamweaverjenn 8:45 am on July 19, 2013 Permalink | Reply

      Interesting!

    • localarts 10:51 am on July 19, 2013 Permalink | Reply

      Just imagine if that Mercedes had a set of 17″ spinners and a hydraulic kit!!

      • John 12:50 pm on July 19, 2013 Permalink | Reply

        And bling’d up with some colorful $ dollar sign graphics and sticker wraps!!

    • localarts 1:13 pm on July 19, 2013 Permalink | Reply

      LOL.

    • Bobby 11:07 pm on July 19, 2013 Permalink | Reply

      The police had been called out to Wonderland in the past because of violence.. very interesting! I wonder what those incidents were? Probably Ronnie punching doper customers for being short on money or maybe Billy & Ronnie wrestling over the last fix? ;) Would hate to think Billy was beating on his old lady.

  • John 3:34 pm on July 2, 2013 Permalink | Reply
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    No Probable Cause In Vlick’s 1980 Drug Arrest? 

    I’m not a lawyer, I just watch the commercials late at night.

    I was clearing out some old bookmarks/favorites and decided to give this laborious legal document another chance. Warning! Reading that document will give you a headache LOL.

    This is about the 1980 case of William Vlick, allegedly a supplier for Joy at Wonderland. He lived a couple streets over with his old lady, Barb McKee. Joy is not mentioned, so she must have been charged separately(?).

    Judge Newman read and considered the search warrants, heard oral argument and granted the motion holding as a matter of law that the affidavits did not establish probable cause to support issuance of the warrants.

    I wonder what the weak evidence was in getting the search warrant that made Newman dismiss the complaint against Vlick and McKee?

    However, the Superior Court judge reversed Newman’s decision on the same day, January 20, 1981. Hello Newman!

    California Penal Code 871:

    If, after hearing the proofs, it appears either that no public
    offense has been committed or that there is not sufficient cause to
    believe the defendant guilty of a public offense, the magistrate
    shall order the complaint dismissed and the defendant to be
    discharged, by an indorsement on the depositions and statement,
    signed by the magistrate, to the following effect: "There being no
    sufficient cause to believe the within named A. B. guilty of the
    offense within mentioned, I order that the complaint be dismissed and
    that he or she shall be discharged.

    The preliminary hearing was had before Judge Cherniss on May 6, 1981; motion to suppress pursuant to section 1538.5 was heard and denied, and petitioners were held to answer. Thereafter in the superior court petitioners moved under section 995, Penal Code to dismiss the information on the ground the superior court (Judge Leetham) had no jurisdiction to hear the motion under section 871.5, Penal Code. The motion was denied by Judge Kakita.

    I wonder how much time was served by these two? Only a couple years… if I had to guess. I doubt that a 5o-something year old drug dealer just all of a sudden goes clean, works hard for some years and retires to Vegas to live out his golden years at a house with a pool. People who work hard all of their lives often cannot afford a backyard pool.

    Below is the getaway car… a Ford LTD. C’mon! I just saw a Ford Granada on the road the other day, so I know they could have found one for the movie! I’m surprised Tracy had any money left after filling up the gas tank in this big beautiful beast! I doubt Holmes chipped in, since he had to pay his editors.

    Let's get outta here!

    Let’s get outta here!

     
    • Bonnie Brae 4:21 pm on July 2, 2013 Permalink | Reply

      Editors is another word for drug dealer.

      • Bonnie Brae 12:45 am on July 3, 2013 Permalink | Reply

        Please get scabies e-mail addy so I can send my screen shot of creepiness.

        • Bobby 5:40 am on July 3, 2013 Permalink

          Addendum: unless of course Holmes was a co-producer on “Exhausted”?

      • Bobby 5:38 am on July 3, 2013 Permalink | Reply

        Yeah that’s right Bonnie. Even if it was “editors” that needed paying I can’t see how it’d be Holmes’ problem as he was just the actor and should’ve been paid for his work. The production costs which would’ve included post production editing fees etc. would’ve rested on the shoulders of the producer/s.

        • dreamweaverjenn 6:52 am on July 3, 2013 Permalink

          I agree with you guys. It seems like you almost could trust John Holmes to tell you what time it is. Bonnie, I have to say it again. I love, love, love the videos. The songs you put with them are awesome and now I can’t get “Crystal Blue Persuasion” out of my head, lol. I am so glad I found this blog and all of you. It’s great to know I’m not the only one who cares so much and is so fascinated by this entire case.

        • Bonnie Brae 10:56 am on July 3, 2013 Permalink

          Chrystal Blue Persuasion was in the season finale of Breaking Bad. Which is why I love it so much.

        • dreamweaverjenn 11:20 am on July 3, 2013 Permalink

          I’ve always loved that song <3

    • Anthony 4:38 am on July 3, 2013 Permalink | Reply

      I found this very intriguing. Possibly a relative?

      William “Billy” Deverell (Find a Grave)

      “Too bad your life ended this way Billy. What insanity! Drugs are a dead end…Very sorry for Aunt Mary & the rest of the family. Rest in peace cousin.” (anonymous)

      http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=dfl&GRid=29045895&amp;

      • Bobby 5:32 am on July 3, 2013 Permalink | Reply

        Interesting, I wonder if they knew him well. Billy’s tombstone states that he was a ‘beloved father’. I didn’t realise that he had kids. Does anybody know how many kids he had and whether they ever came forward or were present at the trial?

        • Anthony 6:44 am on July 3, 2013 Permalink

          The only thing I know about Billy’s family is a statement they made right after his death. This isn’t a direct quote but they said they were shocked by his death but not surprised. I’m assuming they were aware of his drug addiction and the criminals he was associated with.

          I must admit, I’m somewhat surprised the family members of The Wonderland Gang haven’t said more about them. Billy wasn’t the only one with children, Joy Miller had two daughters.

          I would not be surprised if the producers of The Wonderland movie had contact with some of those relatives to gain some insight about the characters. Such information was probably given with the promise of anonymity.

        • dreamweaverjenn 6:50 am on July 3, 2013 Permalink

          Wow. That is very interesting. I think when somebody lives on the edge like they did and something like this happens, some people forget that they are still people, loved by their families and friends and there was probably a good side to them that only their family and close friends knew. It’s sad that drugs can lead good people to do things that they themselves probably thought they would never or could ever do. Sad.

        • John 12:56 pm on July 3, 2013 Permalink

          Yes, I wish Pixiecat would stop by this thread. She knew a lot about Billy and Joy, not by relation but by excellent research skills. On a few other forums over the past few years, I have seen a few of Lind’s relatives, Barb’s and of course Billy’s post things, like that post on find-a-grave by Billy’s cousin. Most families were big back then…and their relatives still remember. Thank God for the internet.

      • Bonnie Brae 11:03 am on July 3, 2013 Permalink | Reply

        Interesting but what a sucky thing to write. How about just forgetting the bad and focusing on the positive and not blaming him for that brutal untimely death. Most that are living that way want out.

        • dreamweaverjenn 11:23 am on July 3, 2013 Permalink

          Indeed they do. My best friend who is like a sister to me is in recovery. I pray for her continued sobriety every single day.

        • Bonnie Brae 10:29 am on July 4, 2013 Permalink

          But definitely a good find. Thanks Anthony. Even though the content was totally deuchy.

        • Bonnie Brae 10:30 am on July 4, 2013 Permalink

          *** douchey

      • John 12:50 pm on July 3, 2013 Permalink | Reply

        Yes, good stuff Anthony.

    • localarts 9:16 am on July 3, 2013 Permalink | Reply

      The family members of the victims should have filed a wrongful death law suit against John Holmes in civil court. I think they could have easily won. Garnishing any revenue Holmes would generate or his likeness. The civil judgment would have carried over to his estate after he bit the dust. Any revenue producing merchandise would go to the victims family members until the judgment was satisfied.

      Only seems fair sense Holmes was directly responsible for what it is known as the Wonderland Murders.

      • Bonnie Brae 10:58 am on July 3, 2013 Permalink | Reply

        could not agree more. The thought of the Butt Queen getting it turns my stomach.

        • dreamweaverjenn 11:24 am on July 3, 2013 Permalink

          Me too. I know Jill said she was a kind and friendly person but from what I’ve seen of her she seems oblivious to what kind of person JH was and what really went on. And I CERTAINLY wouldn’t want to see her at work. Eww.

    • localarts 11:38 am on July 3, 2013 Permalink | Reply

      You know, I think Bill Amerson ( Holmes manager or agent) once said Holmes tried to run Laurie over with a car to collect the insurance money… sounds about right.

    • Anthony 1:36 pm on July 3, 2013 Permalink | Reply

      I’m not sure if you guys are familiar with Michael Pitt but he was in the Wonderland movie. His character was named ‘Gopher’ but for some reason his scenes were deleted. He played Jimmy Darmody on my favorite TV show — Boardwalk Empire.

      • John 2:27 pm on July 3, 2013 Permalink | Reply

        Yes, I read that on IMDB. I was wondering if we’d ever see those deleted scenes, I guess not. Pitt has been in some classic shows and movies, it looks like.

    • Jill C. Nelson 3:41 pm on July 3, 2013 Permalink | Reply

      “could not agree more. The thought of the Butt Queen getting it turns my stomach.”

      Interesting comment. Sounds like Bill Amerson.

      “Me too. I know Jill said she was a kind and friendly person but from what I’ve seen of her she seems oblivious to what kind of person JH was and what really went on. And I CERTAINLY wouldn’t want to see her at work. Eww.”

      Laurie Holmes is not a fool with respect to her late husband and without going into details on this forum, she knew Holmes very well. You’d be surprised. You are certainly entitled to your opinions of her but please remember that your opinions are formulated by the sound bytes you have seen in edited documentaries made to show a particular point of view. You don’t not know her personally. There is a more to the filming of WADD than meets the eye and I’ll leave it at that. When we set out to interview Laurie for our book, we braced ourselves for the worst (because we’d been exposed to the same negative information on the internet and otherwise and expected as much) and were quite surprised by her honesty, her willingness to cooperate (even though she knew we would show the bad and the ugly sides of Holmes) and kindness. Yes, Laurie was a performer in adult films — that does not make her a hateful or a bad person. Believe it or not, Holmes was once a decent person before he became addicted to crack cocaine. I think it was you, Jenn, who said the same about the Wonderland gang — it’s no secret — the need for drugs makes people do inexcusable and dispicable things. It was difficult to work with the material that constituted the last eight years of Holmes’ life, but we sifted through it because we believed that it was important to tell the whole truth and not rely upon the misinformation circulating the internet and/or in sensationalized documentaries — information that is often inferred on this forum.

      I stand by my original comment that Laurie Holmes is indeed a good person who has worked very hard in the last five years to turn her life around. Successfully too, I might add. I consider her a beloved friend. She made some choices in her life she is not proud of her and has taken steps to change — all the more reason to admire her — not knock her down.

      “You know, I think Bill Amerson ( Holmes manager or agent) once said Holmes tried to run Laurie over with a car to collect the insurance money… sounds about right.”

      That story was clarified in our book five years ago yet it continues to be regurgitated. I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again, what Bill Amerson said/says is not to be trusted and that information comes from his son, Sean Amerson If you want to know the truth, it was (former performer) Kimberly Carson that Holmes tried to run over with a car, not Laurie. That doesn’t make as good a story though as it does when Amerson claimed it was Laurie.

      • Jill C. Nelson 3:44 pm on July 3, 2013 Permalink | Reply

        Oh, and for the record, Bill Amerson was never Holmes’s manager. John managed his own career from beginning to end, lock, stock and barrel.

        • dreamweaverjenn 5:02 pm on July 3, 2013 Permalink

          I’m not really sure if that’s something to be proud of but if that’s a good thing, then great! kudos!

        • localarts 8:24 pm on July 4, 2013 Permalink

          I sleep better at night knowing that.

        • John 4:36 pm on July 10, 2013 Permalink

          Interesting that Sean Amerson still has John’s industry lifetime (not the Lifetime channel!) achievement award. Were there really 400 people at John’s final memorial service when he passed in 1988.

      • dreamweaverjenn 4:59 pm on July 3, 2013 Permalink | Reply

        Jill, you are absolutely right! I’ve said before I believe that once upon a time, John was a good person before he got hooked on drugs. From what I know of Sharon, she would not have married him otherwise. I never said that doing porn made Laurie a bad or hateful person. She is probably very nice and friendly and probably very good hearted. What she does is her business. I was simply saying I haven’t seen her at work and I don’t care too. I should have worded it in a nicer way, for that I apologize. I never mean to offend anyone. I am looking forward to reading your book. My sister just gave me a nook so I’m hoping to find it. <3

      • The Odyssey 3:29 pm on July 4, 2013 Permalink | Reply

        What a joke. Holmes is one of the biggest scum bags to ever walk the earth. Even without the drugs the wonderland Klan was the biggest group of racists. Laurie would blow guys at the bus stop in front of 6912 Hollywood blvd. She is still turning tricks til this day.

    • Jill C. Nelson 6:57 pm on July 3, 2013 Permalink | Reply

      “What she does is her business. I was simply saying I haven’t seen her at work and I don’t care too. I should have worded it in a nicer way, for that I apologize. I never mean to offend anyone. I am looking forward to reading your book. My sister just gave me a nook so I’m hoping to find it.”

      Jenn, there is no need to apologize but I appreciate it that you have a heart. I think it’s easy sometimes to get lost in all this stuff (as has been noted) and lose sight of the fact that ALL of these individuals were (relatively) normal and humane human beings at one time. I am referring to everyone involved in the robbery and subsequent murders/deaths who made mistakes along the line. Unfortunately and sadly, some of those mistakes were very serious and impacted the lives of many people — living and dead.

      I think that Laurie Holmes gets raked over the coals because Holmes was her husband. Therefore, there seems to be a natural dislike for her because of guilt by association which makes sense on some levels but isn’t really fair. It’s important to bear in mind that when Laurie and John met, she was a scared 19-year old girl with a two-year old son to support while running away from a frightening experience. She got into the industry as a way out, so to speak, and John protected her from her past as best he could.

      • dreamweaverjenn 10:52 am on July 4, 2013 Permalink | Reply

        Wow. Looking at her from the perspective of a scared teenaged mother with no real employable and marketable skills, she did what she needed to for fast money that would be enough to feed her son. I know from experience as a single mom you do whatever you have to do to care for you child. I hope she and her son are ok now.

    • krislyn 12:48 pm on July 6, 2013 Permalink | Reply

      I know John had his own car then used sharons malibu for the adventure to Floridia. At the time of Johns arrest iwith Dawn at the hotel why wasnt his car taken in to custody as well. Im sure ifJon had blood all over him there would be brain matter and dried droplets inside. W john as high as he was i doubt he spic n spanned all parts of that car…and i seen cold case files show evidence from the 70s can still hold DNA and solve unsolved crimes today. lJust always wondered.

      • John 9:56 am on July 8, 2013 Permalink | Reply

        I need to track down what happened to that Malibu! get it restored and placed in my Wonderland Museum!

    • Anthony 3:53 pm on July 7, 2013 Permalink | Reply

      http://www.sacbee.com/2012/10/02/4872745/obituary-beder-clifton-was-tough.html

      Obituary: Beder Clifton was tough cop, loving family man and friend (10/2/12)

    • Anthony 4:29 pm on July 7, 2013 Permalink | Reply

      Arlin Launius (find a grave)

      http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GRid=3599726

      According to Ancestry.com Arlin was married to Betty Launius and resided in California. Several newspaper articles from the past has Ron’s mom listed as Betty Bryson. (Maybe her maiden name?) Also, Arlin was an Air Force Veteran much like Ron.

      • Anthony 6:26 pm on July 7, 2013 Permalink | Reply

        Another thought, Arlin was born in 1919 which made him 25 years old when Ron was born — (1944)

        • John 9:55 am on July 8, 2013 Permalink

          Ron’s dad is alive and in his 90s.

      • John 12:29 pm on August 2, 2013 Permalink | Reply

        Great job, Anthony. I stand corrected. Arlin is his dad. Nice work!!

    • Anthony 4:41 pm on July 7, 2013 Permalink | Reply

      Ron Launius — Lindhurst High School, Olivehurst, California

      http://www.classfinders.com/directory/ca/olivehurst/3/

      • Anthony 4:57 pm on July 7, 2013 Permalink | Reply

        The above post is wrong. Ronald Launius – Nevada Union High School Class of 1962

        http://www.classfinders.com/directory/ca/grass-valley/3/

        Now here where it gets interesting. Listed above Ron is Rick Launius who graduated in 1965. If you go back up to the find a grave link I posted you’ll see the Arlin memorial was added by someone named Rick Launius.

        • Anthony 8:36 pm on July 7, 2013 Permalink

          If you guys already knew this I wasted a lot of time :-) Its all good, I enjoy the research. Eventually, I will find the something huge!

        • John 10:00 am on July 8, 2013 Permalink

          You’re doin a great job, Anthony!

        • localarts 8:13 am on July 8, 2013 Permalink

          Rick Launius was Ronnie’s younger brother. There was an interview done with him right after the murders, I read it years ago, it may still be online somewhere.

        • John 9:45 am on July 8, 2013 Permalink

          And Dave is the middle brother. I saw a baseball photo of him sliding into base in the Nevada Union High School yearbook. The news article I posted a few months ago said Ron had two brothers. In the only yearbook available online for that era, Rick and Dave are listed as “camera shy” so no class photo of them is printed. If Ron’s high school had included the freshman class (the school was only 10-12 back then), we’d have a pic, but the only yearbook available for the high school was when Ron was in ninth grade. Go to classmates.com or google search “1958 nevada union high yearbook” and it will come up for browsing. Enjoy!!!

  • John 8:14 am on May 13, 2013 Permalink | Reply
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    Wonderland Birthdays 

    happy-birthday

    Happy Birthdays go out this week!

    • Joy’s birthday is tomorrow, May 14. She would have been 77 years old.
    • Ron’s birthday is May 18. He would have been 68 this Saturday.
    • Susan’s birthday is May 30.

    I know that Ron and Joy were both born in Illinois and have close birthdays. I can imagine, after meeting each other, that this was enough for them to bond or whatever and become instant friends (besides the drugs). She let him move into her house. I know that when I meet someone who was born in the same state as me, then that is always an instant topic for conversation. Just sayin…

    Have a great week everyone.

    Keep the great posts and finds coming!

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  • John 8:08 am on April 8, 2013 Permalink | Reply
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    Slayings Scene Was Once Hit In Drug Raid 

    First of all, that’s a terrible title for an article. Secondly, with this news story we get a bonus! A washed out photo of a body being removed from the house. I had not seen this photo before I found this article.

    Oh well, ya gotta go sometime.

    Oh well, ya gotta go sometime.

    Also in this article from the July 3rd Boca Raton News, we get a few quotes from Joy’s landlady, Rachel Rybicki. This is my favorite:

    Ms. Miller hadn’t worked in some time and she (the landlady) “figured her boyfriend supported her”. LOL…and “she would let all sorts of people just come in and sit in her house”. Classic stuff.

    There is mention of Joy’s alleged supplier, Bill “Ricco” Vlick and his girlfriend Rosemary McKee, whose home was raided in July, 1980 along with Joy’s. From what I have found, Mr. Vlick had a long rap sheet, including pimping…but he is alive and well in Vegas. He is in his 80s, like Eddie. Bill did serve time for the drugs found in the 1980 raid and his legal problems are mentioned in the article… Read on:

    July 3, 1981. Boca Raton News.

    July 3, 1981. Boca Raton News.

     
  • John 8:30 am on March 7, 2013 Permalink | Reply
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    Wonderland Murders: Rap Sheets & Ron Fled to Mexico 

    Joy Miller had a record of six arrests, while her fiance Billy Deverell had a baker’s dozen… also, Ron fled to Mexico after his 1973 smuggling arrest. What is also interesting is that initially, the cops thought it was a random axe murder or Manson type of killing. Read more below. Oh, and Bill Vlick had a long arrest record and was also a pimp…

    Sarasota-Herald Tribune, July 5, 1981.

    I wish that the folks who run the Wonderland Wikipedia page would clean up their erroneous phony baloney!

    I wish that the folks who run the Wonderland Wikipedia page would clean up their erroneous phony baloney!

    Source: Press-Courier, July 3, 1981

    Source: Press-Courier, July 3, 1981

     
    • pixie 2:46 pm on March 11, 2013 Permalink | Reply

      Vlick sounds like a winner (rolls eyes). He also wasn’t too smart in telling the police that he got the money at a pyramid party.

      • John 2:54 pm on March 11, 2013 Permalink | Reply

        When I made that post, I had to look up pyramid party LOL, since they aren’t so popular anymore… Never heard of this:

        As I understood it, you would get invited to one of the pyramid parties, go to it and give somebody some money then you would throw a party, and people would come to your party and they would give you a bunch of money. And then the people you invited would throw their own parties and make money, so on and so forth.

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