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  • John 9:01 am on June 9, 2015 Permalink | Reply  

    RIP Vincent Bugliosi. He was 80 years old.

    http://news.yahoo.com/vincent-bugliosi-prosecutor-manson-trial-dies-80-054033690.html

     
    • criticextraordinaire 6:10 pm on June 20, 2015 Permalink | Reply

      Hey John, this reply is not to the Bugliosi death (which is too bad, he did a great job putting the Manson Crew away).

      I just wanted to post that I just learned that Bill Amerson passed away back in March, from a stroke at the age of 76 I was always hoping you’d get a chance to interview him and get some of the untold story.

      RIP Bill Amerson. :-(

    • Jim 9:41 am on June 25, 2015 Permalink | Reply

      From what I’ve read Amerson was a wealth of knowledge when it came to information about Holmes.
      However, like anyone else, any story he told between him and Holmes would always have him (Amerson) cast in the best light.

      • localarts 11:50 am on June 25, 2015 Permalink | Reply

        I can’t imagine Bill Amerson knew much about the killings other than what Holmes told him which was the same bullshit he feed everybody. Mitchell Egers would be a great interview and more fact based. A missed opportunity to interview Amerson is not entirely a good thing but at the same time what could the man possibly know about the murders…it would seen like a waste of time and resources.

        • criticextraordinaire 6:20 pm on June 30, 2015 Permalink

          Well Bill might not have had any direct info re: the murders, but he could have provided some solid inside scoop on Johnny Wadd during the immediate post-Wonderland days and weeks.

    • Jim 5:41 pm on June 27, 2015 Permalink | Reply

      One item to remember is right after Holmes got out of jail after serving 11 months for the murder trial and contempt of court he immediately went to live with Amerson. It seems that after 11 months in prison a person might want to unburden themselves, etc. and Amerson would have been a captive audience.
      Obviously there’s a good chance Holmes didn’t share anything truthful with him but it would have been an interesting interview if nothing else.

      • localarts 8:19 am on June 29, 2015 Permalink | Reply

        Yes, it would be an interesting interview but I’m not sure how relevant it would to the slayings.

    • Jim 11:02 am on June 30, 2015 Permalink | Reply

      Anniversary of Wonderland slayings is tonight / early tomorrow morning (July 1). Few people are still left to provide any insightful information from that time.

    • localarts 12:13 pm on June 30, 2015 Permalink | Reply

      Indeed it is. I believe Hovsep Mikaelian is still alive. It’s strongly believed he was one of the killier’s that night and it was Mikaelian who told an investigator that it was Billy Deverell who opened the door. Hovsep Mikaelian a.k.a Joe Mikaelian may still be in prison. John might know.

    • Jim 12:26 pm on July 1, 2015 Permalink | Reply

      Mikaelian would be a great interview. Of course no one would talk without a deal and as I said previously almost everyone is dead. It looks like we’ve probably uncovered all we’re going to about that night.

      • localarts 7:44 pm on July 1, 2015 Permalink | Reply

        Jim, you’re probably right. I don’t foresee a death bed confession along with all the details from Nash. Holmes, near the end of his life could have made peace and given the victims family members a measure of closure. If John Holmes would have cooperated, this case would have been put to rest in the 80’s..

        • criticextraordinaire 4:59 pm on July 3, 2015 Permalink

          Johnny was a stand up guy. Even on his death bed, he kept his mouth shut.

    • localarts 6:58 pm on July 21, 2015 Permalink | Reply

      I tend to agree with Kevin Deverell’s opinion Holmes.

    • Jim 1:50 pm on July 28, 2015 Permalink | Reply

      Any word on whether there will be another book? I know its been talked about on this blog but I’ve heard nothing for months.

      • localarts 10:28 am on August 8, 2015 Permalink | Reply

        Wonderland has a lot of moving parts..I’m sure any book written that focused on accuracy & the truth is going to take a great deal of time.

  • John 9:49 am on June 3, 2015 Permalink | Reply  

    The Town That Dreaded Sundown (in Photos)

    The first attack happened about 50 feet off Richmond road on an unpaved street, about 100 yards from the last row of city homes. A 1945 Texarkana City Directory indicates that the residential development off Beverly stopped in about the 600 block of Richmond road, which means the attack occurred somewhere near Taylor street, contrary to the belief that it happened near the intersection of Richmond and Robison.

    Side road off of Richmond and Taylor St:

    1

    The girl from this first attack escaped and ran to this little white house (address below, it’s possibly the same old house) and banged on the door for help:

    2

    Although Hollis believed he was a dark-tanned white man, Larey (the girl) believed he was a light-skinned black, saying “because of the way he pronounced the curse words he growled.” Both kids survived.

    The next pair were not so lucky, and were killed here at this lover’s lane which is “about 100 yds south of Hwy 67 on South Robison Road near a railroad spur”.

    3

    On Saturday night, April 13, Betty Jo Booker, 15, was playing her Bundy E-Flat alto saxophone in her regular weekly gig with her band, The Rythmaires, at the VFW Club on W. 4th and Oak street. That’s the VFW on the right: (pink brick bldg):

    4

    Afterwards, she went to this lover’s lane with her boyfriend, Martin (photo below)… back then nothing was here but a gravel road and there were no houses. 6700 North Park Road (below). Booker and Martin were killed early Sunday, April 14. Their bodies were found 2 miles apart. One report said there was no sexual assault, but the other one said there was. The girl, Booker, was found fully clothed, shot twice and was found with her hand in her raincoat pocket. Her saxophone was found in the case a few weeks later, close to where her body was found.

    5

    Hundreds of people flocked to the area. Throughout the day, cars jammed the highway and roads in the park as people tried to view the crime scenes. Shocked by the news, several hundred residents assembled around the sheriff’s office to be on the spot in case a suspect was apprehended. A lynch mob!!

    A short while later, a farming couple were gunned down thru the windows of their home on a 500 acre farm, but this incident was over 10 miles away and on the other side of town. It was out in the middle of nowhere compared to these other places and I could not pinpoint the location on Google Maps!!

    Hope you liked. It’s always good to have a few pics to go with the addresses.

     
  • John 2:05 pm on November 10, 2014 Permalink | Reply
    Tags: wonderland murders book   

    A Few Teasers – Rough Drafts From Book 

    I still don’t know what the book will be titled!

    Anon4Now:  email the blog. I would like to meet you in January when I am traveling for the book.

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    • Eric Buczynski 8:27 pm on November 10, 2014 Permalink | Reply

      I’m looking forward to reading this!

    • Pulse 10:46 am on November 23, 2014 Permalink | Reply

      Hey John how goes it?

      Just a quick note as I’m tapping this out on my phone…

      Those excerpts from your book looks fantastic! Can’t wait man – put me down for a signed copy as soon as it hits the shelves!! :))) Really hope you get an interview with The Nash.. Hey we can all dream just a little eh?.. ;)

      Thought you might be interested to know that Scott Thorson has been doing the rounds banging on about how he’s writing a follow up to Behind the Candelabra. Supposedly he will be going into detail on the Wonderland case. He mentions this here:

      Also there’s a pretty funny/revealing interview with him on the Howard Stern show. It’s hard to believe much of the Michael Jackson stuff (and a slew of other crap that spews from his mouth) but definitely still worth the listen. Check it out here:

      Such a shame that he was about to start talking about the murders but then Stern asked a dumb question about Charles Manson and steered the interview in a totally different direction. Coulda been a doozy. Considering they were talking about dick sizes so much you would’ve thought that any moment coulda been a perfect to start talking about The King. Oh well, missed opportunity. Whatever the case, it will be cool to finally hear his account of Nash laying into Holmes and exactly what it was he heard (if anything at all?). Have you read the court transcripts of Thorson’s testimony on the stand?

      Anyway, take care and feel free to link to any of this stuff on your blog if you so desire. It’s been pretty quiet over there lately but I guess that’s a good sign that you’ve been hard at work on the book.

      All the best with it mate,

      Bobby

      Sent from my iPhone

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    • Jim 12:57 pm on March 17, 2015 Permalink | Reply

      Is this website no longer being updated? Haven’t seen any posts lately and I know there was talk of another book being published about the whole wonderland episode.

  • John 1:10 pm on September 8, 2014 Permalink | Reply
    Tags: police informants,   

    The Use Of Police Informants During The 60s & 70s 

    A reader recently posted a comment concerning police tactics with the use of informants, or snitches. By no coincidence, I am writing a chapter for the book about the use of informants. In the Wonderland story we have two!  David Lind and John Holmes. Now, vice cops have no way into the drug dealing world, unless they bust some low-level user or dealer, maybe a delivery guy. We’ve all seen the TV shows. But in my research, I have found several cases from the 60s and 70s from the Northern California area that show airman from nearby Air Force bases dealing in, or being suspected of dealing in drugs. In 1968, this was right in Ron’s stomping ground. Drugs were everywhere.

    An informant is usually corralled by first getting caught with drugs. Rather than face some jail-time, and if approached, they will often agree to cooperate with authorities. The info they give cops may or may not be good intel. The War on Drugs is a real bitch and just because some informant tells a vice cop that there is weed at someone’s house – well that does not mean it is true.

    This quote is from a drug case in 1968, where an informant – who may have needed to score some brownie points with his detective – is caught in the middle. I wonder who these four airman were?

    The challenged affidavit was prepared by Detective Roy D. Whiteaker of the Yuba City Police Department, largely on information furnished by a police informant, James Ronald Brooks. Brooks contacted Detective Whiteaker on March 16, 1968, and told him that certain parties residing in an apartment house at 357 Ainsley Avenue were planning to transport two kilograms of marijuana from San Francisco to their apartment, at about 3 o’clock that afternoon. The informer, at Whiteaker’s direction, then went to the Ainsley Avenue apartment house to obtain more information if possible. Later, Brooks told the detective that upon his arrival at the apartment house he was invited into an apartment belonging to four airmen from Beale Air Force Base. One of the airmen was under the influence of narcotics; his eyes were glazed and dilated. After a few minutes, two airmen went to appellant’s apartment next door and returned with appellant. Appellant asked what Brooks wanted, and Brooks answered “grass.” Appellant looked at an airman named Vern and said, “I don’t want to,” and returned to his apartment alone. Brooks stated that appellant was also under the influence of narcotics, and that Vern had referred to him as an “acid freak.”

    The affidavit alleged that the Office of Special Investigation at Beale Air Force Base informed Detective Sergeant Smith that one of the suspect airmen had told a fellow serviceman that he had taken $100 from his bank account to buy part of two kilograms of marijuana. The affidavit also alleged that appellant had been convicted of a narcotics offense and that the Sutter County sheriff’s office had received confidential information that he was again using narcotics.

    The End.

     
    • criticextraordinaire 5:46 am on September 9, 2014 Permalink | Reply

      I always wondered how David Lind could get away with being an alleged snitch. I mean, the circles in which it is alleged he ran would never tolerate that sort of thing. Rat out those guys to the cops and next thing you know, you’re found in a ditch somewhere with a dollar bill stuffed in your mouth.

      But that then raises the question… did Lind really pass away in 1995, or was he spirited away to the Witness Protection Program as I have heard in some forums? ???

      • Anon4Now 8:10 pm on September 9, 2014 Permalink | Reply

        As I remember things I used to read, most followers of this tragedy knew Lind was let into witness protection after the first trial, when both he and Holmes tried to enter it. He was already in it when he died in ’95, if he really did die and if he wasn’t kicked out of the program for drug use or crime.

        The part of your post that does make sense is if he did get kicked out. If he got whisked away to another part of witness protection other than what he was already in, it’d probably be for misusing his good fortune. But it’s like you read, once in protection, no one will ever get a straight answer from law enforcement about your whereabouts or new name and SSN. Not even their wives or mothers; once they’re gone, they’re gone unless they blow it.

        And getting away with snitching of this magnitude in Sacramento may have happened, perhaps, due to these rampaging crankster-gangsters having mothers, brothers, or wives working in the state capitol or law enforcement. These crazed wild men usually had rich daddies up there, many of whom were cops or state workers. It’s easier to be a wild biker if your dad foots the bill.

        “Rat out those guys to the cops…” You mean their grandfathers? Or their father-in-laws?

        • localarts 3:38 pm on September 16, 2014 Permalink

          If Lind is alive, he would be in is 70’s. I think Lind is with butterfly, probably has been for some time.

        • criticextraordinaire 7:40 pm on September 17, 2014 Permalink

          If Lind is indeed dead, it is too bad that he did not get to be buried next to Butterfly.

        • Mark C 10:31 am on September 26, 2014 Permalink

          They said Henry Hill from Goodfellows movie fame got completely kicked out of The Witness Protection Program all together, So I guess this very well could of happen to David Lind too maybe???. It sure I guess would not been the very 1st time in history that did happened.

          What they deported Carlos Marcello one time out in middle of a Guatemala rain forest jungle miles from anybody in dress clothes & shoes one time back in 1961, He was wondering around for like 3 days out in middle of that rain forest before he could get to any other people. Govt. can be pretty mean if they want to be.

          Well I think in Henry Hill case, He was getting caught for DUI like about weekly, And going back and/or calling NYC all the time without Fed’s knowing. Dealing dope and number other crimes I think he got caught up in while he was still in the Witness Protection Program.

          What little I read I think Henry was the poster boy for the Witness Protection Program Bad Boy Program. Or what rules not to break in the program. I think he was moved at least 3 or more different times and he still kept getting into trouble all the time. He lived for a time in a little small Northern KY town not far from my own home I found out later on. Then I think he went somewhere out around the Seattle area.

          He loved his ponies and gambling.

          Year’s later I had the luck to not personally meet Henry, but I did say Hi and walked right by Henry Hill near a east coast resort town one pretty summer day, Yes he did have 2 Bodyguards with him that day. I asked 1 of the Bodyguards, He told me yes that was Henry from Goodfellows movie fame, But Henry looked pretty drunk to myself at only @ 1 pm right after lunch time and he just keep walking by like a jerk to myself. He must had a lot of lunch time drinks he looked to myself as he was down right staggering.

          But this was after his movie fame & books even a cook book and web site came out, I still can’t get over just how small and short Henry was in real life and here he was played up as this big tough mean mobster in the movie’s. Well it was only a few years before his death, But he looked only about 5-6 maybe 145 pds at that time to myself, but I was still kind of shocked at just how small & ill health looking he was, But too I am fairly big guy myself, I played WR in Football for many years.

    • localarts 4:39 pm on September 18, 2014 Permalink | Reply

      Not sure Barbara’s parents would have approved of that.

    • anon4no2 9:27 pm on September 19, 2014 Permalink | Reply

      I don’t know if urls copy to your blog, but apparently one of the airmen’s name was Vern: https://www.courtlistener.com/calctapp/c19E/people-v-hill/

      I suppose this website was where you got your post. Conversationally, I’ve found some old cases on the computer that are oddly gone now. Specific relevancy to the Wonderland case is questionable, but they do give some background to the Sacramento County crime scene that led to what really is the devastation caused to the entire state by Sacramento detective’s crime solving “expertise.” It doesn’t happen overnight: http://law.justia.com/cases/california/calapp2d/98/770.html and: http://law.justia.com/cases/california/cal2d/34/669.html

      OK, I get to do this, John. Please post this message, there is really nothing inflammatory in it. Gen. Pease was one of those real American heroes we watch Hollywood movies about, and I don’t include these old cases without reason. Beale AFB isn’t far from Sacramento, and Barbara’s people lived in Rancho Cordova, as I remember it. That’s where Mather AFB was when it had the B-52 squadron there. Everyone remembers the protest those got. Gen. Pease became a very influential Sacramento attorney (even though he apparently lost these two cases. Can’t win ’em all).

      A decade ago you’d read on the Web that Launius was a Marine stationed in Vietnam with the 37th Marines. Posters whom I do not know would place on chat boards that he was responsible for 37 homicides; it was easy to remember the coincidence of his crimes and military unit. There was even a 37th Marines veteran website, had Vietnam-era Marine photos on it and everything. Then, over the years his military service changed to Air Force and he was transferred, if you will, from Vietnam to Thailand. The number of homicides he was credited with changed, also, no idea if they now matched the squadron number of whatever he was stationed with in Thailand. All mention of any US 37th Marines (even the unit reunion website) disappeared from the Web.

      I never knew Launius, but I do know that if he served honorably (or even nearly honorably as those were really difficult years to be in the nation’s military) his memory shouldn’t be slandered. Or, with the way Hollywood has of artfully altering history to make everything more screen-sparkly, not slandered too awful badly.

      Whatever the argument was in Sacramento with the California veterans who were drafted and sent to the Pacific both during WW II and Vietnam, and those who were in the WW II ETO and stateside, you can actually follow the timeline of the state’s legislator’s (the state capitol’s) demise. These were veterans that were worthy of their own movies, ones that’ll never be seen. The Cold War cast many of these veterans into obscurity and slow dissolution, and we read about it today in movies like Wonderland after their families were forced off their property after the war.

      Lind and Barbara were also persons who had backgrounds not entirely as depicted in Wonderland. But, so what? Hollywood needs villains just like Big Time Wrestling.

      • criticextraordinaire 6:45 pm on September 22, 2014 Permalink | Reply

        Anon4no2,

        I read on the old Lionsgate board a post from an old ‘Nam buddy of Ronnie’s. His buddy said that Ronnie wanted to go out on a mission with a SOG team and was allowed to do so. He claimed that Ronnie could see Charlie in pitch black conditions because a purple light shone from his head into the darkness and he could see the VC like it was daylight. Assuming this is true, the characterization of Ronnie as ‘fearless’ would seem to be spot on.

        I think he also mentioned that they got ambushed by some VC and that Ronnie dispatched quite a few either with a bayonet or simply a combat knife. It was a few years ago so I forget some of the details.

        • Anon4Now 8:37 pm on September 22, 2014 Permalink

          Hi, thanks for your reply. I’ve read nearly all your posts for the past decade, and I understand you to be an intelligent and mature person, and I really enjoy your concern for this whole predicament. That’s what it truly is.

          I also know that there’s a lot of showbiz in this old story. I am not a showbiz person, and I become confused at times by some person’s efforts at embellishing or distorting what happened back then. The statute of limitations has expired long ago for anything involved in this Wonderland thing excepting capital crimes. Due to the deaths of many of the involved parties, even that is not a bothersome point.

          You were probably talking about that Grunt person who posted on Lions Gate. He had some conversation with Russ, another poster. I personally don’t remember much about that other than Grunt talking about some patrol he was involved in where he had contact with NVA or VC. I do remember a few posters there really hyping up Launius’ lethalness bost during the war and after. I imagine that’s true, but what you reference was when Launius was said to be a Marine in Vietnam rather than in the Air Force in Thailand stuffing body bags full of dope.

          I do remember the story of violet beams that would project from Launius’ forehead to pinpoint VC. This next is a story I’ve never told to anyone other than an Army veteran of Granada at the VA. No real idea of how we came to talk, but anyway I was stationed with an airborne unit in Germany when the first OPEC took off at the end of ’73. The airborne unit got transferred to Italy so they’d have a short hop across the Med should the OPEC nations continue to withhold oil. I didn’t go to Italy with them, I was transferred to another station in Germany, but as the barracks was clearing out I heard a song on the radio (tuned to AFN) that I always remember as the singer’s last name was the same as my parent’s neighbors, Hagar. It was Sammy Hagar singing “I Can’t Drive 55.” Nice song, and it was when the nation was reducing all the speed limits to 55 and under to conserve gas.

          Of course, you’ll find on the computer that Hagar came out with this song in 1984, over 10 years later. Yet, I know I heard this on USAREUR’s AFN station as the airborne was leaving, it happened and it’s too bad that Launius is said to have commie finding beams of light darting from his forehead. Is that a real story, or was he in Thailand? Mine’s real.

          The Hagar family I knew is the one that introduced me to Lind and Barbara. Hollywood people can have all the fun with this they want to, and they can slander the veterans who had to serve this miserable nation in a time that they will always be despised and reviled for, but what happened was real back then.

          Grunt’s a generic name for infantry. I used to get speeding tickets.

        • criticextraordinaire 5:46 pm on September 23, 2014 Permalink

          Anon4no2,

          Are you saying that the purple light story that was at Lionsgate was BS? Possibly could be, just like the “girl in the closet” story that has pretty much been discredited. People can post pretty much anything they want in the interweb.

      • Mark C 8:31 am on September 26, 2014 Permalink | Reply

        I don’t know much about the purple light story, I read the above story and not sure but this might or maybe not explain what they talking about.

        After like 35 years of my life without knowing & 1 real good pre-job physical, I found out I was very minor Color Blind just some different shades of color, Not the traffic stop light type, I can’t see the color of the light’s type, I can see that good.

        All my life people hunting with myself never could figure out how I saw wild game so fast and good. I throw gun up and go Boom and scare them to 1/2 to death all the time, Because they never saw what I be shooting at until I go & get the Grouse Or Wild Turkey or what ever wild game we would happen to be hunting for at that given time.

        Within last few years, I saw my older cousin after way over 30 + some years ago without us seeing each other, He lived many states away. He was in Nam and we found out we both was same type of way Color Blind, He told me it was different shades of colors he saw help him pick out stuff that most others could not spot quickly.

        He told me within his 1st few days in Nam he was told to take “The Point” & told Sgt. I don’t know if you really want me up there, I am a little bit Color Blind, But Sgt. told him that great luck has hit our Platoon because that is the very person they wanted on point. After that my cousin spent his tour mainly on point & everybody trusted him, Most all the time’s his Platoon got hit. My cousin would be in rear area over small injury or some other minor mishap. But thank god he did make it back home physically in pretty good shape,

        Little research very lot of my family that was in military before from Rev. War onward has been snipers & before K-Ratios I guess in-between sniper trips they would hunt for wild game to feed the troop’s mainly before WW1 when troops really didn’t have all that easy food & ready to eat meals handy.

        One pretty famous Rev. War battle my couple great grandfather & his son’s name is on the list of being there in the battle, But in truth he a was few miles away hunting for fresh meat to feed the troops & heard the battle start but it was over by the time he & his son made it back to the battle area. That true story been told through many generations of family folk-lore.

        This just a idea what these soldiers could be talking about. Could not be.. I really don’t know. Just a idea maybe could explain what they are talking about on the Purple Light Story.

        • Anon4Now 8:47 pm on September 26, 2014 Permalink

          Just noticed your post, Mark. Those are great stories.

          I’ve read articles about people have extra cones or whatever they are in their eyes. That enhances their perceptions of color and shade. Just found the article: http://discovermagazine.com/2012/jul-aug/06-humans-with-super-human-vision

          This might only pertain to women, but who knows?

          The story of your Revolutionary ancestor was nice, too. If your unit is involved in a battle or skirmish, you’re said to be included in it as long as you weren’t AWOL or something. Reality is different, someone might have been on guard duty the night before and if it’s a short battle, it might be over before he even wakes up. My father always denied being in the Battle of the Bulge, and it wasn’t until I got a computer that I found out parts of his division was in the Bulge and Hurtgen Forest (the last one I never even heard of before). His specific unit was elsewhere, probably a few miles away.

          The Revolutionary ancestor my mom’s family used to get into DAR wasn’t even a uniformed soldier, from what I can tell. He participated in the “Braintree Riot” when some British troops rode into town. No idea what he did, but he might have just thrown rocks or something.

          That was nice, Mark.

        • Mark C 7:18 pm on September 30, 2014 Permalink

          Anon4Now
          Thanks a lot for your reply.

          That was the 1st, I guess Professor type grade report I ever read about Color Blindness, Dr. found it in me told me it was a lot of times inherited through your family gene lines.
          But this my eye site is and just a every day normal thing for myself.

          I never would known about my cousin color blindness who was right there and fought in Nam unless we wasn’t setting back one night drinking a few cold ones & I told him I didn’t think Military would put me in combat over my eye site & he told me it sure didn’t help him if anything it hurt him having to be out on point about his whole tour. Very nerve racking I would guess,
          Then he told me all about his story and about our uncle who told him after his tour in Nam was over about his own experiences in Pacific in WW2 who was a underwater demo expert that had and was same color blindness type as us.

          I guess only way we ever will know if Ronnie was maybe really Color Blind is if we ever find out if Color Blindness ran in his family kin-folk or gene line. My guess getting his Medical Records be more than a very long shot for us. Maybe John can wave his magic wand on that stunt needs to be pulled.

          To myself Color Blindness would make more common sense than a “Purple Beam” coming from Ronnie’s forehead. But who knows with Ronnie, But I just have a feeling Ronnie might been the type to play up any type in his own mind of any Superman type extra abilities he may had. Plus Ronnie I think wanted fame. Surely not how he got it, But I do think he wanted to be famous.

          Ronnie keep coked up head Holmes supplied in Coke and around for a while even though Billy did not like Holmes just so I think people would know Holmes worked for him..

          You don’t see that trait or I don’t in Billy. Billy interesting guy himself, but I feel he was little bit more on the quiet side but more reasonable level headed and not so quick for action. But if that story is true about Billy & McCourt was going pull the Nash hit themselves when everybody else was going pull out. Then I wonder?? But this case is as bad as Holmes own stories go on what really is the truth and what is a bunch of BS.

        • Anon4Now 12:04 am on October 7, 2014 Permalink

          And thanks again for your posts, Mark. You write well; it’s easy to follow your thought process. With extra cones you could have super vision of a sort. At least, that’s what it says in one of those articles.

          Like I told John, my interest in this story is Sacramento-based. After that, I don’t have much conversation. I don’t know anything about porn, never knew anyone in it, and don’t really think I’d get along well with them even if they didn’t know I used to know Lind. Sounds like some of them might be angry about things.

          But, I do have a couple memories I’d like to share if it’s OK with you, John. Like I said in my emails, this treatment that you’ve given the movie seems mature, unlike some of the old chat boards. My input isn’t inflammatory, rather it’s simply thought-provoking.

          Anyway, Barbara was near to true beauty. Under closer scrutiny, maybe she was one or two jots off, but she was very attractive and had personality. One mutual friend had a duplex, and, when Lind and Barbara were there and he had to take off for a while to do something, he’d leave Barbara there with whoever else was present at the time. Barbara, maybe when she was feeling rambunctious, would say something like “Good, David, maybe I’ll have _____ to [play with] while you’re gone.” She did that with me once, and Lind got this really weird look on his face and said “Good, maybe he can.” That was truly frightening: Barbara was someone I never actually got closer than friendship with, I always remember that look on Lind’s face, it was a real deterrent.

          I had an immediate family member die in ’80, and Barbara came over to my parent’s house with another male friend one day. They spent a night or two, and I noticed later that my mom’s tub of Albolene Cream had some massive finger scoops taken out of the middle of it. Usually my mom used it for chapped lips and a tub would last a decade or so, and I asked Barbara if she knew anything about it. She got excited and said it’s ‘way better than Vaseline cream as it warms up when friction’s applied. It seems she liked it a lot.

          This was after Lind had gotten busted, and he called collect from the Sacramento County Branch Jail in Elk Grove asking if I’d seen Barbara. That part of the jail is for misdeamenors, traffic tickets, DUIs, and light weight felonies. It’s far from prison, and it’s sort of proof that whatever it was he got busted for, he did county time rather than prison. Unless, of course, he was in the security side of it and still going to court. They do that there, too, to be fair to him, and I never asked him what side of the jail he was on. But obviously he was out in a very short time judging by Wonderland’s time frame. I lied to him, I didn’t tell him she’d been there with the other male as I figured he’d find out about it himself and I’d claim amnesia or something. I felt bad, but didn’t want to bum his time out. But he did that, he called and if they still have old phone records, it’d be there.

          Without rambling about too much, Barbara and I wandered around my parent’s back yard one day. It was a virtual park, my father grew up on a farm and had a very green thumb. No drama, just a really nice memory I have of her, kind of scenic.

          Those two people were human. Both had quirks, and, John, if and when you write your book, if you want to focus on the dehumanizing aspect of law enforcement turning out snitches, be the snitches willing or unwitting police accomplices, these are maybe two good examples. Barbara still had sweetness, and I’d say Lind was still a man at the time. Of course, his crowd’s definition of man-ness really differs from the common citizen’s and they’re far better judges of their own type than I am, but he still had his human part. You could tell by his demeanor and conversation, and Barbara could be truly sweet when she wanted to be.

          I never did anything so criminal that they’d make a profit off of snitching on me, but my family did later lose the property. But that happened to a lot of Sacramento families back then, and how that all came about really puts a different spin on the whole Wonderland story.

          Thanks very much for the responses I got here, and this is where my story ends. Nice place, John.

    • Anon4Now 8:51 pm on September 23, 2014 Permalink | Reply

      I’m going to try to respond to your post, Critic, except there’s no “reply” to click on, only “Permalink.” I hope it’s the same.

      I have no way to tell if the purple haze commie light was true or not. Odd things happen, and it could be that Launius had a built-in starlight scope which would be a handy natural tool to have. Sure to get him promotions if his squad leader knew about it. And, thinking about it from another angle, maybe he was Air Force but still wanted to go out with the grunts from time to time. If he had a friend that was a Marine, maybe he got to tag along a few times. Getting across the border from Thailand to a northern Vietnam-stationed Marine unit might have been a chore, but not impossible for someone serious about it. You read about Vietnamese successfully going the opposite way all the time.

      I remember the “girl in the closet” story appearing on the Lions Gate board at a later time than many of the other posts. That was supposed to be that Laurie girl that everyone used to get mad at, wasn’t it? Not Laurie Holmes, but the Laurie that used to try to hustle donations from NAMI or something. I remember Laurie Holmes was supposed to be upset about purported copyright infringements on the use of Holmes’ name and personal history (which I know nothing of as I never knew him or any of his friends). I remember a poster named Cap that did a lot of sp@m or something; it took me a while to notice Cap Mauzner’s name. There was also a Boogie Night, easy to remember due to the other Wonderland-type movie.

      Some of the posts I remember was about how surprised people were about Wonderland getting jerked from the theaters so fast, and when they did its remake or sequel they were going to “do it right this time.” Thinking about it, it was almost as if they were in shock or something. They shouldn’t have been, they should have realized they’d catch some strong feelings just from Holmes’ profession alone. Then, there’s all the Sacramento politics that came with it, maybe that’s what caught them unawares.

      I remember when x-rated movies started getting space on the Sacramento newspaper’s family movie pages. A little section at the bottom of the page under Disney and blaxploitation ads, Holmes, Seka, all the other names you remember from those days. The only way porn got away with that was all the press they were getting at the time about being anti-war, pro-peace, non-violence, and anti-drug; they were the squeakiest, cleanest, most wholesome people you could imagine, they just liked to hop on each other naked and in front of the camera.

      Then Lind met Holmes and all that crashed down. It seems that the porn folks got really angry about that as they lost untold billions from Holmes himself, and lost much of their credibility as being anti-violence and anti-drug. Lost much of their political platform and financial support, one fell swoop.

      As I remember your posts, Critic, you and Boogie were pro-Nash and porn. Judging Nash’s roots, you should find my OPEC story interesting. Sammy Hagar’s “I Can’t Drive 55” got a real “Ride of the Valkyries” spin from AFN. I can’t knock the story about Launius’ black light turning VCs into glowing Jimmy Hendrix posters, as I really know what I heard. So, what we’ve just done here, John, is not only bump Cap Mauzner, but Oliver Stone, too. That was easy.

      Bump.

      • criticextraordinaire 6:55 pm on September 24, 2014 Permalink | Reply

        Well I always assumed that the “violet light from the forehead” was really rhetorical and not literal. Like Ronnie was saying (if he said anything at all) that he could really zone in on Charlie. Whatever his story in ‘Nam, the various constabularies in California certainly appear to have had a modicum of respect for his capabilities. I always kinda wondered how you go from being a kick-ass member of a SOG team to being a supply clerk in Bangkok though.

        Can’t exactly say I am pro-Eddie, but with regard to the whole Wonderland hit, I’ve gone on record that basically Ronnie and Billy (as well as David and I suppose Tracy) were basically asking for it. I mean shucks… you do what they did to Eddie and his foot dogs are not supposed to get rough? While I respect Ronnie for his chutzpah, he pretty much got what he had coming after that. And nobody pulled that kind of stunt on Eddie ever again.

        I remember Boogie Knight, he was definitely a Holmes connoisseur; I think he knew all of Johnny’s flicks. Encyclopaedic knowledge of all things Holmesian. To me John is a nostalgic figure; I remember as a kid the local newspapers running full-page ads for the latest Johnny Wadd films starring “Big John” Holmes, or lesser flicks starring the likes of Tony “The Hook” Perez or the Ivory Snow girl. Back then everybody knew of Johnny Holmes, he was a folk hero, sort of counterculture-gone-mainstream. So any story involving John takes me back to the old days when things were simpler.

        I also remember one dude who allegedly got fired from his job at a paper manufacturing company, for using his company email account to send unpleasant emails to some gal on the LionsGate board who was a regular. That LionsGate board was wild for sure. No wonder they shut it down.

        Oh and also there was a postress named WILDHEART (always in all caps) who got herself a set of custom license plates for her automobile… “WADD”. Awesome.

        • Anon4Now 10:36 pm on September 24, 2014 Permalink

          “Can’t exactly say I am pro-Eddie…” I remember one post that was made under your name (not saying it was you) I think on the IMDb board where you said Nash was “Israeli mafia.” Some of that IMDb talk was mirrored on the Lions Gate board. I don’t know what a “mafia” is, but I’ve watched all the Puzo movies like everyone else. When someone mentions “mafia” I think of ethnic or multi-racial Hollywood-type criminal groups, or “crews” as they’re called on the Net. But I thought Nash was Palestinian?

          There was one girl from the Oak Park area of Sacramento, that might have been the Wildheart you were talking about. She was also making some kind of arty-type creations with a Wadd theme.

          I don’t know what “screen caps” are, but one female poster (as I remember it) was making “screen caps” for some kind of Wonderland-Wadd type production. If any’s been made I’ve never seen it.

          I think there was another female poster whose father had once been employed at a Great Lakes-area brewery like Budweiser or something.

          I remember the story of the paper-plant employee, but I thought it was Laurie working there scaring people. I think I read that she’d been in prison for killing someone for a bag of dope. Honestly, that’s a bit much. From what I’ve heard (no personal experience; I’ve never grown or manufactured drugs, so I don’t honestly know anything about drugs one way or the next) people can’t just go around getting even with everyone every time they buy a small quantity of bad dope. It might not be the dealer’s fault, it might be his supplier having to cut back for a moment. Or maybe not, maybe it is an intentional burn. But maybe the burner will make it up to the burnee at a later time after he gets his foodstamps or something; it’s not something to immediately go into a terminal spin over. That’s simply not good business.

          Since Wonderland came out there’s been a lot of drug legalization movements in many states, and press like what Laurie’s said to have is exactly what causes these changes. Do you remember the pound of baking soda story and the post by someone that they should name a “new drug” after Launius or whoever it was that did that? Now that’s a larger amount of burn, one that would probably warrant a payback. But small time thefts like Laurie’s, and the braggadocio that follows petty crime like that, becomes so repellent after decades go by people will try to change things just to shut them up.

          Which leads into Nash. Was that merely a drug theft? Now honestly, Critic, as many decades as you’ve been discussing this, why wouldn’t guns have been used by whoever it was that did the payback crime (some posters back then talked about a MacLeane family, I’m sure I’ve spelled that wrong)? They obviously weren’t worried about being overheard, there was always a lot of noise from that house anyway.

          I can’t find it right now, but there’s an article on the Web somewhere about a Sacramento Oak Park-area woman whose dog saved her from a home invader a few years ago. I noticed her name as being one that posted on a Wikipedia Wonderland-type related forum, and the home invasion happened a short time after her post (got to see if I can find that). No idea who that woman is, didn’t recognize her picture and Oak Park’s a real wild side of town my parents never told me about anyway, so no clue, just noticing the time coincidence. Me, when I first started following this subject around in 2004, I had a fun time around my house. I’ve moved since then.

          So, how have you been?

        • criticextraordinaire 5:50 am on September 25, 2014 Permalink

          Anon,

          I would never have referred to Eddie as “Israeli Mafia” for the reason you had stated, he is Palestinian as I understand. Besides, most of the Israeli Mafia of which I am aware came from Russia, Uzbekistan, or Georgia and did not emigrate to the USA. These days you hear them referred to euphemistically as “Israeli businessmen”. I probably would have referred to The Nash as a guy not to be messed with based on his reputation in the press and his various convictions.

          Why were guns not used in the hit at 8763? Because it was a revenge hit. For the attackers it was personal, they wanted to inflict pain, send a message to anybody else who might want to mess around. Any murder investigator will tell you that. Bludgeonings tend to be a crime of passion and anger. So that explains why the pipes instead of guns. They wanted the victims to experience pain over a longer period of time than a gunshot would afford. That said I would imagine the attackers were packing too, just in case.

          I do not buy the McLean theory because in that case, if this was a situation where a fellow drug dealer was simply exacting revenge for a baking soda scam, the Gang would indeed have been shot. Strictly business, get in and get out. Nope… the bludgeoning aspect of this crime tells me it was personal.

          WILDHEART… Yeah I remember now, I think she made an art creation for an exhibit in Hollywood for some sort of Museum of Adult Cinema event, something like that. Might have been a decoupage handbag or similar. WILDHEART was always a fun poster, kept things light on the boards. When I was in LA a few years later I kept an eye out for those WADD plates. :-)

          The chick you mention re: the drug murder… she was acquitted by a jury and so did not do any time for that crime which I believe stands as being officially unsolved. As I recall I think there was a false confession due to some sort of multiple-personality situation but it’s been a long time. It is alleged that she died in 2005 but some of us are not so sure about that, despite the obituary that was printed in a Midwestern newspaper and her Find-A-Grave memorial. Of course if she really is dead then may she RIP.

    • Anon4Now 9:09 am on September 25, 2014 Permalink | Reply

      Critic,

      Thanks for your thorough response. You’re right on all points, and I don’t intentionally mean to put words in person’s mouths or posts. I must have disremembered the post on IMDb about “Israeli mafia,” it might have been from someone else. But I think that might have been the first time I saw that phrase in print.

      OK, remember whoever it was that went to Wonderland hoped they’d find Lind there. Lind and Launius did time together in Chino (though I figured Lind would have been in a Northern California prison). People doing state time have years to be on the weight pile, they get incredibly strong. They really rival professional football players in strength, if not in speed as prison guards don’t like prisoners who can run fast (except in “The Jericho Mile”). Additionally, they get adept in cell fighting, either by figuring out quick, lethal holds on their own against their unhappy cellies, or by tutoring by older, more experienced cons wanting a “crew” of their own. These people are really strong, and you’ll know when you’ve been hit.

      If a group of persons bent on retaliation were to enter a house where there was even one of this kind of ex-con, nothing short of a bazooka would be needed to make sure nothing was left afterwards and a safe escape by the attackers be made. I know payback’s sweet for the aggrieved, but here the success of the payback would need be assured. Really, it’d be safer to throw explosives through a house window from blocks away than to go after someone like Lind or Launius with pipes. Prisoners are schooled on how to hit an attacking lunatic on their upper arms to momentarily paralyze their hands so a home-made shank gets dropped instead of inserted, and that’s why old-time cons would tape shanks into their hands before running into the cell next door to quiet things down. And they can move fast for brief periods; these aren’t normal people anymore, and family members notice that when they come home.

      Except the attackers were no doubt certain that the Wonderland residents would be too loaded to use any of their incredibly lethal skills. That’s how those things end, I guess. All that time on the weight pile,stuffed into their arms and all useless now. Maybe that’s why they didn’t use guns, they knew everyone was too stoned to fight back. I have another theory.

      Remember Sousa and “Four on the Floor?”

      I remember talk of an adult museum in LA, I think you’re right there.

      And thanks for speaking with me.

    • localarts 10:24 am on September 25, 2014 Permalink | Reply

      “Bludgeonings tend to be a crime of passion and anger. So that explains why the pipes instead of guns. They wanted the victims to experience pain over a longer period of time than a gunshot would afford. That said I would imagine the attackers were packing too, just in case”

      That’s true to a lesser degree. I believe everyone was “packing” with the exception of Holmes. You have to remember how close these houses were to one another. Multiple gun shots would have brought way too much attention. We’re talking a minimum five rounds of gun fire at 4 am.

      Everybody has their own theory but nobody knows what the real truth is and never will.

      • criticextraordinaire 6:05 pm on September 25, 2014 Permalink | Reply

        Well I would not expect John to have been packing. If he had, he likely would have gotten the drop on the other guys and saved the day.

      • Anon4Now 11:05 pm on September 25, 2014 Permalink | Reply

        Browsing through some old emails, it was Lori Sheirer: “…in October ’05 in the ‘Letter to Lori Scheirer’s Probation Officer’ thread…” and the fake obituary she was said to have posted to an online website. That was before she tried to drum up some kind of donations from NAMI. That’s what was found on the Web back then, anyway, and I still think that’s a terrible thing to do to an organization like NAMI. Those people are really crazy, and I’d hate to get that pack on my tail.

        Excerpt from an old email: ” Also, on Wonderland II, I seriously doubt that any such movie will ever be made due to the fact that the original Wonderland did not have a very wide release and didn’t make any money in the end. It will remain nothing more than a film with a cult like following.” I guess that’s where that ends.

        OK, a theory. What if some persons from Sacramento (probably easy to figure out who these were in the movie) were actually active police informants due to their wish to escape a pretty bad dope bust when they reached Southern California. This bust would have been in the Sacramento area. Either by manipulation from detectives, personal acquaintances, or unknown outside sources, they were guided to Southern California in their capacities as snitches. Then, either deliberately or by chance, they became involved in the Nash robbery. Now, the way this paid informant deal works, the snitch is the driving force behind the “crime.” He or she is the one who goads the unwitting “crew” into performing whatever act it is the detectives wish to happen, the “crime” itself. Here, for conversation’s sake, let it be the Nash residence be the robbery and Lind and Barbara be the instigators/informants. If Launius and Holmes were their initial targets, who knows, but according to the media of the ’80s and Wonderland, that’s how it ended. So Holmes, shown in the movie as the one wanting Nash hit for whatever reason, might have only been a dupe for the informants, who have to move fast to get the situation over with before they get caught either by the victims or by the cops should they wish to play even another angle to the whole mess, or wish to escape everyone by taking off their wires and riding into the sunset with all the cash they got from the robbery topped off with all the money they got from the detectives to work as snitches. Not so far fetched, you read things like this all the time with feds and snitches infiltrating motorcycle gangs.

        So there’s the robbery being all planned out with Lind maybe having a wire on him the whole time. Did you ever see anyone patting anyone else down in the movie? No? Perhaps there was law enforcement following the whole thing. Then the robbery happens, all the robbers are happy except Holmes, the robbed ones are quite angry, and, if there was law enforcement involved, they might be both happy and worried.

        Then (I think this was according to you, Critic), Lind goes to a motel with a prostitute and whoever it really was retaliated on the robbers, a retaliation done not with firearms, but with clubs of some kind (striated bars are the little dumbbell bars with the threaded ends). If Lind was an informant, then he would have been taken out of harm’s way after the robbery, and many prostitutes double their income by being informants, also (a quite untrustworthy group, though I’ve never known any); so that might really be true. If the involved law enforcement agency knew of (if not condoned) the retaliatory hit, they would have wished it to be sans guns not only to give the victims some kind of chance to escape or phone for help, but also to keep the NRA off their backs as we all know by the media that whenever a violent crime happens that includes gun play, all the nation gets in an uproar. Keeping the hit free of firearms (and knives, thinking about it) also keeps it “clean,” an important point should anyone successfully snitch on the detectives themselves after all the dust settled. And that’s truly the most dangerous part: those kind of cops really don’t want to get caught.

        Shouldn’t be too hard to work that into your chapter, John, as that’s how it was back then. Nancy Reagan and “Just Say No!”

        So, isn’t that a terrible thought? Something like this, an horrendous crime that still resonates over 30 years later, possibly being the result of a police sting. And remember Holmes supposed to be a terrible snitch who told on everyone including his porn friends, too, so that whole “crime” involved an entire grouping of honestly terrible police informants. Incredibly, I’d read on the old boards comments like “Wow! I wonder what it was like to party with those guys back in the day!” It was a real bummer. “Summer, baby, bummer!”

        Plausible idea, isn’t it? And remember also the comments about Lind having to “return to Sacramento” shortly after the robbery. Probably to check in with whatever detective he was working with. Anyway, just tossing this whole post out for a critique.

        Critic, you and Boogie are the aficionados here. Is all this Wonderland III?

        And, anyway, my OPEC/Sammy Hagar story, who knows? I know I heard that song in ’73. The computer says ’84, but that may simply be more secret 37th Marines light shows. The Web’s infallible, isn’t it? Here today, gone the next. When was the first time you heard that song?

        • Mark C 8:00 am on November 1, 2014 Permalink

          All people on here far as I know you Anon4Now might known Lind the best.
          Not trying put you on spot or nothing like that, But I just wonder if you happen to heard this story before?

          Or anybody can tell me if they read this too.

          I was just checking few facts trying keep everything straight in my mind this morning & on Wiki & ran into this I never heard about before. Not sure post link or not but because rules, its under wonderland murders

          Lind nor McCourt were present for the wonderland attack, as Lind was consuming drugs with a male prostitute called Shilo Watts in a motel and McCourt was at home.

          That 1st time I heard that story. I thought Lind was with 2 female prostitutes ? Maybe was in Sac.?
          Who is Shilo Watts or should we even waste our time with this? Don’t know what to believe or not to believe.
          Not trying say nothing about Lind, him & Watts just might been drug users friends I have no clue if this even true.
          Where do these stories come from?
          No wonder I have trouble keeping this story straight. Its about as bad as Holmes different life stories he told.

    • localarts 6:26 pm on September 25, 2014 Permalink | Reply

      You know, if that were true I think Ronnie would have been proud him. Probably would not have forgiven the debts he owned them & the antique gun thing but Launius would have shown Holmes a little more respect.

    • Jayson 10:21 am on October 17, 2014 Permalink | Reply

      Hey John…I think you do an awesome Job of this blog…And I realize that there is only so much information that you can provide being that its so limited…but i am fascinated by the entire “wonderland” saga and I check your site daily hoping for a new read…Maybe you could post things or maybe things from your book more then once every couple months…thanks

    • Patrick 8:20 pm on February 5, 2015 Permalink | Reply

      John has anyone seen the transcripts or rough copy of the book 4 on the floor by Tom Lang and Nills G ? In your interview w Kevin Deverral he mention Nills gave him a copy, can we get a copy as well? I did some searching on Bill Vlick and found his phone number and address in Vegas, tried calling to do a phone interview but his phone was not operable. Will keep you posted. Still want to get w Eddie before he dies and unsure how to reach him other than going to his cond and knocking on door? I have called several companies registered under his name in Cali all to no avail? Any suggestions? I would like to do my book or transcript for a show on Eddie.

  • John 10:06 am on September 2, 2014 Permalink | Reply
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    The Kit Kat Club In 1976 

    Thanks to Antoine for the heads up.

    The Kit Kat Club was featured in an episode of Barnaby Jones in 1976. The actor who played the guy with the horse head from The Godfather is in this as well. I wonder if Barnaby fired off his old peacemaker at the end of the episode as he solved the case? He always did.

    Antoine says:

    I stumbled on an old episode of the TV show Barnaby Jones from 1976 and to my shock the Kit Kat Club in Hollywood was in it. A very good shot of the outside and inside. It was easy to find searching the Hollywood Welding on Google (which is seen in the background). Its still there. Kit Kat Club was on Santa Monica and N Hudson Ave. A Honda car dealership is there now.

    Lunch -- Dinner

    Lunch — Dinner

    and the complete episode, the footage starts at about the 29:00 minute mark:

     

     
  • John 10:01 am on August 12, 2014 Permalink | Reply
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    More From Jerry Vann’s Book… 

    Jerry is quite a character, obviously. You can read more by ordering his book here at Amazon.

    It was easy back then (late 70s/early 80s) to use stolen credit cards, because there was no swiper machine or computers. This was one of their biggest scams it appears. The clerk ran carbons of the card, the old fashioned way. On big ticket items like jewelry, they may call the credit company, but if the stolen card was fresh and not yet reported, it was all clear to buy stuff with.

    Again, Greg is Jerry’s friend (it’s not Greg Diles) and Tony is Nash underling, Anthony Mudarris. The Nash attorney, Mr. Blaish, is still around LA doing business… from a few Google searches.

    Enjoy…

    jerry-van4

    In the following scene, Jerry and Greg had been nailed at a mall using stolen credit cards to buy a watch. They tried to make a run for it but were caught, since they were both out of shape. Jerry was also in trouble at this time because he had been arrested for firing a gun in the air or towards D.A. investigators who had been watching him.

    Famous bail bondsman, Hal Glickman, also makes a cameo. Hal is deceased (about 10 years I believe). His wife, Dottie, who allegedly picked up Holmes that night, died of breast cancer on New Year’s Eve in 1997. Their son, who later took over the family bail biz, has not yet responded to my emails and FB messages requesting an interview.

    In the end, in my opinion, Nash had money and connections, he could even order a hit if he wanted. But he was really just a wealthy coke-head, pulling extracurricular scams, arsons and frauds for quick cash. He chased women day and night. To me, Nash was a slick wiseguy who used others to insulate himself from the crimes. Pure Nash.

    jerry-van3

     
    • Miranda 3:45 pm on August 19, 2014 Permalink | Reply

      To those of you who think you are strange, I must also be! I find true crime interesting. I read up on different cases and this is one I have read into some about the dynamics of persons involved. Crazy how different they were yet drugs brought them all together. I have heard before that if you do drugs or get into the drug culture you will find others who are on the same track.

    • Stacey Jane Lind Ferraro 7:38 pm on August 27, 2014 Permalink | Reply

      Only the picture on the far right is David Clay Lind I should know he is my dad.I was looking for pictures of him too and can not find any youg ones but I saw him from ’92 to 94 .

      • John 10:12 am on September 2, 2014 Permalink | Reply

        Hi Stacey,

        Thanks for visiting the blog. I am John. I am writing a book about the Wonderland Murders.

        I would like to interview you sometime about your dad. Very little is known about him. I have only found what little I know about him thru background checks, and they can be erroneous sometimes.

        Please email me back! wonderland1981blog at gmail.com

        Thanks,
        John

        • Hymie 3:34 pm on September 6, 2014 Permalink

          What would you like to know?

      • Anon4Now 8:33 am on September 6, 2014 Permalink | Reply

        There was a Cassie Lind who used to post on another board. I found out later that board wasn’t a Lions Gate board though the posters there claimed it was. Who knows, but the Sacramento detectives that worked Lind and other of his contemporary paid informants caused much havoc with their type of police “tactics.”

        Problems with this type of police work is the perps are really the victims and it’s really impossible for them to ever escape the system. The snitches that they turn out eventually are disenchanted, too, but for them it’s all too late.

        If you’re really one of Lind’s daughters, you should remember a couple of his Sacramento friends. Brad, maybe?

        • John 12:48 pm on September 8, 2014 Permalink

          Thanks Anon. I am writing a chapter for the book about the use of police informants in the 1970s. It was a different era, and like vice cops today, informants and snitches were an important part of their investigation, however sketchy… legally… those tactics are….

      • Pepe 4:25 pm on September 6, 2014 Permalink | Reply

        Were you visiting in Santa Rosa?

    • localarts 8:27 pm on September 3, 2014 Permalink | Reply

      Lee Meriwether was beyond hot!

      • criticextraordinaire 5:48 am on September 9, 2014 Permalink | Reply

        Ms. Meriwether is still hot.

        • Bobby 8:19 am on September 12, 2014 Permalink

          I believe they call that ‘prunetang’.

        • criticextraordinaire 7:41 pm on September 17, 2014 Permalink

          I’d still hit it…

    • localarts 12:13 pm on September 12, 2014 Permalink | Reply

      LOL

  • John 3:17 pm on August 4, 2014 Permalink | Reply
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    Excerpts From Jerry Vann’s Book “Underworld Secrets…” 

    Since Eddie Nash is not dead (confirmed by fellow club owner Chris Cox, it appears), then I will leave you with some Nash quotes from Jerry Vann’s book “Underworld Secrets: Jimmy Hoffa to Las Vegas”. Jerry Vann (Van Hoorelbeke?) is an interesting character and I should like to track him down for an interview one day.

    It appears that Eddie Nash is upset here about Jerry’s friend, Greg (not Greg Diles) – and his visits to Nash’s strip club. Greg is hurting business!

    jerry-van1

    On this page, the “Tony” character is Anthony Mudarris, who was indicted with Nash for money laundering and RICO stuff in 2000. Jerry paints himself well in the book, even saving a stripper girl who Tony had tossed down a hillside. It appears that Jerry & company also liked to use stolen / fake credit cards to buy jewelry and other valuables, but that is in another chapter I will post later. In even another chapter Jerry is frightened to death of Eddie’s heroin smugglers in Hawaii, even thinking he might die during the exchange as intermediary.

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    • localarts 4:59 pm on August 5, 2014 Permalink | Reply

      Ed had everybody in his pocket. I wonder how many son’s & daughter’s of the LAPD brass he put through college? Eddie Nash truly was the God Father of LA during that period of time. I would not at all be surprised if Nash was doing business with the Chagra brothers back in the 70’s & 80″s.

      • Sean 4:11 am on August 8, 2014 Permalink | Reply

        Happy 70th birthday to John Holmes. Was he not dead for the past 27 years.

      • Sean 4:46 pm on August 8, 2014 Permalink | Reply

        Happy 70th birthday to John C. Holmes! Was he not dead for the past 26 and a half years.

      • Mike 8:29 pm on August 9, 2014 Permalink | Reply

        I’m a lone voice in the wilderness here, but I don’t believe for a minute that LAPD brass, or those of LASD for that matter, were paid off by Nash. I believe that the fed investigator was – I believe this is known. I also think that a high city official surely was involved, but the the local police brass (and I’m aware of what Lang and his partner said about a hidden hand seeming to steer them away)? No way.

    • Ken 9:54 pm on August 5, 2014 Permalink | Reply

      Yep…..up till the whole WONDERLAND incident Nash was pretty much considered to be the “King of Hollywood” but once it became known that he did order the killings everybody he had paid off in the past weren’t there for him anymore….

      • localarts 10:46 am on August 11, 2014 Permalink | Reply

        That’s probably true. I think one glaring aspect that people tend to overlook is Nash controlled a lot people out of fear.

    • jim 9:58 pm on August 17, 2014 Permalink | Reply

      the king of Hollywood who ever heard of eddie nash before wonderland and by the way the Chicago outfit controlled things there any way at that time tony spilatro was more known as a menace to authoritory than nash he probably was paying off the outfit if he was as big as reported he would have to

      • Ken 12:56 pm on August 18, 2014 Permalink | Reply

        Nash was VERY well known in the Los Angeles area in the late 60’s and all through the 70’s.

        The Outfit’s reach never extended westward from Chicago past the hotel casinos that they owned in Las Vegas and even the New York mob that did have a limited amount of control in Los Angeles most of that was back in the 40’s till the early 60’s.

        Carlo Gambino once made the statement that he could probably count the number of “Made Guys” tthat were on the west coast on one hand.

        • localarts 6:43 pm on August 19, 2014 Permalink

          The fact Eddie is still alive say’s it all.

    • jim 10:50 pm on August 24, 2014 Permalink | Reply

      well the west coast mob was known as the mickey mouse mob and Chicago had everything west of the Mississippi sorry if I never herd of nash but out of all the true crime books I’ve read never came across him and its been published in many books that tony accardo did everything he could to stop the guy in LA from ever achieving anything he thought he was a clown according to FBI agent Bill Rohmer man against the mob book

    • localarts 10:59 am on August 25, 2014 Permalink | Reply

      Eddie Nash was a crime figure not a crime boss per say. Nash was a legitimate business owner as well as a drug lord. There was no criminal structure (hierarchy) as is the case with most traditional mafia families. Eddie Nash was simply Eddie Nash. Nash had power and influence. The extent of which is debatable.

      • The Odyssey 11:52 pm on August 28, 2014 Permalink | Reply

        Eddie Nash outlived everybody and made 30 million dollars in 2008 selling the Seven Seas building. He is/was the King Of Hollywood. Don’t care what. Anybody says.

        • loon432 8:14 pm on December 14, 2014 Permalink

          How much is Tony mudarris worth today? And what other businesses does he own besides strip clubs

        • John 11:03 am on January 5, 2015 Permalink

          I believe Tony owned an auto body shop also, or a few of them. This would be good for making phony car insurance scams via staged accidents.

      • jim 9:56 pm on August 31, 2014 Permalink | Reply

        Perfecto localarts

        • The Odyssey 12:34 am on September 17, 2014 Permalink

          Tony Mudarris daughter Nikki is on Love and Hip Hop Hollywood on Vh1

    • James DelCol 8:05 am on December 22, 2014 Permalink | Reply

      This is some pretty outrageous stuff. This shows the inner working of Nash’s power. He had all kinds of people on his payroll. I never thought it ran that deep. Although Mickey Cohen (When he was in LA) had Chief Justice Earl Warren in his pocket. Amazing! Mickey Cohen was the only person ever bailed out of Alcatraz. This shows you what money can do. Nash was in deep and had balls of steel. Imagine what it would take for the average Joe to buy a cop? Most people can’t get out of a traffic summons let alone get bounced out of a jail like Alcatraz. It makes me wonder if Chief Justice Warren’s mob ties helped along JFK’s assassination investigation.

  • John 9:42 am on July 8, 2014 Permalink | Reply
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    BeeGees Capture Street Imagery Of Fabulous Motel Row 

    We hit 500,000 page views this week ;-)

    In July, 1981 – John Holmes and his girl, Dawn, had fled to Miami, ending up at the Fountainhead Inn. During this time it was considered not-so Fabulous Motel Row. It’s heyday was over…. well today, I found this video for the BeeGees, only released 10 years ago, and it has background street life and neon signs of Motel Row from a few years before Holmes was there…”Most of these motels are now closed…” etc. A great time capsule!  Anyways, you get to see what it looked like at night in 1978.

    Background:

    A music video was made for the song in 1978, but not shown to the public until 2004. It features the brothers singing the song in a darkened studio, layered over background video filmed while driving along “Motel Row” on Collins Avenue, a three-mile motel strip in what is now Sunny Isles Beach, Florida. Most of these motels are now closed or demolished, including several whose names are reminiscent of Las Vegas resorts (Castaways, Desert Inn, Sahara, Golden Nugget).

     
    • localarts 9:00 am on July 10, 2014 Permalink | Reply

      It took me a long to realize how great these guys were. “Nights on Broadway” is a great song as well.

      • Jacob Bartle 9:05 am on July 13, 2014 Permalink | Reply

        Eddie Nash died July 4th (two weeks ago) surprised no news here.

        • John 9:49 am on July 28, 2014 Permalink

          Jacob, thanks. Do you have a link to share? I could find nothing.

        • localarts 3:47 pm on July 29, 2014 Permalink

          Wrong! Eddie is the Prince of Darkness…..he will never die.

        • John 12:44 pm on August 4, 2014 Permalink

          It appears so, he’s immortal.

    • London 4:57 pm on July 12, 2014 Permalink | Reply

      Hi John. you are very close. i grew up a couple of houses up the street from where this happened. I was almost 12 when it occurred. everybody in the house was pretty cool to me. use to give me rides to the country store or pick me up if i was walking.

      • John 9:43 am on July 28, 2014 Permalink | Reply

        Thanks London. Please tell some stories if you can? Thanks.

    • localarts 4:45 pm on July 16, 2014 Permalink | Reply

      “We hit 500,000 page views this week” Congratulations John. Did you ever think this site would attract such an audience?

    • Mark C 9:57 pm on July 31, 2014 Permalink | Reply

      Anybody find out for sure if Eddie Nash died July 4th?? Or is it a internet rumor ??
      I searched could not find out nothing.
      Hey Eddie !!!!! You still on here with your snuggles with built in booties on, kick back on easy chair with TV tray & lap top in front of you??
      I still say that would make my day if we ever track a ISP # back to Ole Nash himself on here enjoying reading about himself.
      One tough guy, He got to be, he about out lived all his old friends. He appears to did enough right heath wise to of made it this long.

      • chris cox 11:24 pm on July 31, 2014 Permalink | Reply

        he is still with us.

      • localarts 5:55 pm on August 2, 2014 Permalink | Reply

        If it’s true, I find it very difficult to believe there is no mention of it in the press. Especially someone as notorious as Nash. I actually remember when Eddie was charged with the Wonderland murders back in 88-89 and it was all over the papers. Maybe Jacob Bartel is a.k.a Eddie Nash? LOL.

    • rimbaudgirl 3:43 am on August 3, 2014 Permalink | Reply

      I dont know if it means much but wikipedia says nash died july 4…i know they often get things wrong but arent the dates of birth and death usually right?

    • localarts 11:49 am on August 3, 2014 Permalink | Reply

      If Adel Nasrallah took a dirt nap, it would have come across the AP wire at some point.

    • bigwick70 5:30 am on January 24, 2015 Permalink | Reply

      Does anyone have any info on how Ronnie and Billy Deverell met? I have looked everywhere I can think and can’t find anything. This story is just so fasinating. Ever since seeing the Movie (by accident) i have been hooked. Would really like to see another one made with more info on the players lives instead of just the murders. Thanks

    • bigwick70 6:06 am on January 24, 2015 Permalink | Reply

      I know this is a little off topic but i remember the 80,s, though I was only 11 in 1981. I thought Donna Summer was the sexiest woman alive even at that age lol

  • John 4:56 pm on July 2, 2014 Permalink | Reply
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    Chuck Negron Performs @ July 4th Festival 07/05/81 

    A few days before this concert, he was at Wonderland.

    This was at Long Beach. Other groups which performed at this event were the Beach Boys and Pablo Cruise.

    This one’s for Joy!!

     
    • Bobby 8:28 am on July 4, 2014 Permalink | Reply

      No doubt Chuck would’ve sped over to the Wonderland house as soon as he got paid for that gig! ;p
      So, does anybody know if the Three Dog Night record at the crime scene was a gift from Chuck (possibly as an exchange for a discount on dope) or was it already in Joy & Billy’s collection? Such a weird coincidence that it was the ‘one’ (boom-boom!) sleeve that ended up getting splattered in blood! What a morbid collector’s item akin to the album Lennon signed for Mark Chapman. Chuck & Julia must’ve freaked when they learnt about that – really spooky synchronicity considering they nearly went over to the house on that fateful night!

      • Bobby 8:39 am on July 4, 2014 Permalink | Reply

        Er, slight addendum: Guess he wasn’t speeding over to the Wonderland house as I just realised that this concert was a few days after the murders… BUT, had this been before.. LOL – I think y’know what I was getting at… :)
        Hmm, wonder who he started scoring off at this stage?…

        • criticextraordinaire 5:54 pm on July 4, 2014 Permalink

          Yeah I kinda wonder that too. The Wonderland Gang’s Wikipedia page describes them as “most influential and feared cocaine distributorship of its time in Los Angeles”. I’ve got to think the next few months saw shortages for customers and turf wars by other dealers trying to carve up the territory.

    • scabiesoftherat 9:22 pm on July 4, 2014 Permalink | Reply

      This is a really stellar find, John. Great post. I can’t help but wonder what was going through Chuck’s mind while he was performing here. He seems completely at ease up there. He had to have known about it at this point. It was all over the news. If it were me, I would be scanning the wings looking for cops who were waiting to talk to me about my affiliation with such a questionable residence…but not Chuck, man! He’s out there killin’ it in his own right!…and, not to mention, he’s on the same bill with Dennis “i-lived-with-Manson” Wilson of the Beach Boys. The only thing that could make that bill better would be to have Mark Lindsay do a set. Great video. It’s now in my favorites list. (Geez. I never would have known that was a Three Dog Night album next to the couch had it not been for this blog.) That makes this performance even more serendipitous. Just a side observation about this video? You know it’s 1981 when the lead singer of a pop music combo comes out wearing a striped polo shirt that happens to be tucked in,…AND you know it’s 1981 when a girl in the crowd pulls a pack of Marlboro 100s out her cleavage. You can get a ticket for BOTH of those offenses nowadays.

      • John 2:57 pm on July 8, 2014 Permalink | Reply

        I tried to see if he had track marks on his arms, but no luck. He is 6’3 or 4….so in this vid he must weight a buck fifty! Maybe less.

  • John 2:06 pm on July 1, 2014 Permalink | Reply  

    “We have never heard the whole truth [about the killings] and we never will hear the whole truth,” Attorney Earl Hanson told The Times a month after Holmes died of AIDS in 1988. Later that year, two other men were charged with the murders.

    So far, Earl has been correct. But, we’ve found out a lot more since then.

    Earl died in April of 2000. RIP to ALL this day.

     
    • Mark C 6:28 pm on July 1, 2014 Permalink | Reply

      So true post there John.

    • localarts 8:25 pm on July 1, 2014 Permalink | Reply

      That’s another tragedy in and of itself.

    • John 10:42 am on July 2, 2014 Permalink | Reply

      Ed loved Holmes “like a brother”. Like Cain and Abel, he was betrayed by him. Eddie loved John so much, that he didn’t even have him killed, and he could have very easily. I honestly think that Ed’s only murders, allegedly, were the Wonderland gang. I don’t think he had ever killed, or conspired to kill… before, or since.

      At the present, I’m a bit surprised that the only people still walking around are Ed and Susan.

      • James 1:17 am on January 3, 2015 Permalink | Reply

        John would have been the one to kill because he was very likely to flip. His character was weak, everyone knew that. I guess he really loved John because he would be the guy to clip. I mean to say he either loved him or he was confident that he could control him. The sense of “Honor” in his Palestinian roots was seemingly a very strong one because he attacked the house with their friend to add meaning to the act. It was curious that Nash ordered the killing of everyone in the house. It seems that he felt that anyone in the house was fair game. The house is a representation of a family in Nash’s culture. So, he attacked the home. Another thought… He may not have taken John out because he was in Nash’s house all the time. He probably felt that it was something the cops would put together too easily. Many people knew that John was a friend of his. He didn’t plan on David Lind making it out of there. Let’s not forget, if David Lind doesn’t make it out alive, it would have been a pretty dead end for the investigators. They wouldn’t have ever connected Ed Nash to these murders at all, if David Lind had died that night.

    • localarts 11:54 am on July 2, 2014 Permalink | Reply

      Eddie was quoted as saying “John Holmes was nothing but a liar and a thief” that was some years after the slayings.

      • John 11:59 am on July 2, 2014 Permalink | Reply

        Coming from an honor-culture, the proud Palestinian once boasted to a writer (and I paraphrase): “Thorson was good to have around the house, cleaning things, doing errands, because he was gay. I often had many college girls at the house, so I had a gay chef too” (meaning, that they wouldn’t mess with the girls… he needed that reassurance because he was a very jealous man and you don’t fuck with the Nash!!!!) LOL

    • localarts 1:54 pm on July 2, 2014 Permalink | Reply

      Eddie was obviously a smart guy but his downfall was his relationship with Holmes.

      • Bobby 9:42 am on July 4, 2014 Permalink | Reply

        And his relationship with coke. Drug dealers tend to get a Caesar complex – mix that with coke fuelled paranoia/rage and it’s a recipe for disaster.

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